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First grow
    #28651498 - 02/08/24 09:31 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)




Hey yโ€™all!  Thanks in advance for any feedback.  First time grow here.  Jack F.  Curious to know if the white fuzz is normal.  Today is day 14 in the mono tub with manure based substrate.  Took the cover off today an it smells good to meโ€ฆ earthy.  I

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651507 - 02/08/24 09:51 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Looks to be a serious case of cobweb mold to me. Others may have a better determination than me.

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Re: First grow [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW]
    #28651510 - 02/08/24 09:54 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

If it were pan cyan, I'd give it some benefit of the doubt but if it's a cube, then I don't think it will yield. JF is 'just a cube' to my knowledge. Poo won't give you any advantage for cubes and will likely only be detrimental to your cause.

But who knows, maybe you'll get some mushrooms. Good luck!

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651512 - 02/08/24 09:58 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Doesn't look good to me either.  I wouldn't let that deter you from using poo based sub though, especially if the price is right and it's plenty available.  What was your process for pasteurization?  What was your process leading up to spawning?

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Re: First grow [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW]
    #28651515 - 02/08/24 10:04 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Thanks!  It might just be.  Probably my fault as to i did not know what I was doing. I put Coco on top of the substrate be4 it was completely colonized, which resulted in the top of the bin being saturated with water condensation, which dropped droplets onto the substrate. It was probably too humid.?

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Re: First grow [Re: stagger]
    #28651517 - 02/08/24 10:07 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I bought everything from north spore via Amazon.  I injected the grain bag and after about 10 days it was fully colonized so then I mixed it up with the subtract put it in the bin put the Coco on top which I should have not done since what Iโ€™ve read  youโ€™re supposed to put it on after it gets colonized and 14 days later this is what I have.  Did my best on spraying everything down with 70% alcohol.

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651528 - 02/08/24 10:25 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Well, I hope you're able to get something outa this.  I wouldn't suggest any of that process or material but everyone's situations are different.

The ISO part really means nothing if you can't be sure that grains weren't properly sterilized, culture wasn't free from contam or bacteria, and your substrate isn't properly pasteurized.  If you stick around, there's tons of info and methods written out here to follow to help help be certain of those criteria.

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651536 - 02/08/24 10:36 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

That tray is toast. Looks like youโ€™ve got multiple things growing there. Iโ€™m seeing signs of trich (6 oโ€™clock position 2โ€ from the edge of container). When the green becomes visible like I think it will, toss the tray. Normally Iโ€™m a โ€œlet it rideโ€ kinda guy but this tray is bad  in my opinion. Using poo is like playing craps; roll of the dice (unless you have impeccable sanatization methods). Coir is the best way to go.

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Re: First grow [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28651549 - 02/08/24 10:53 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Moved some of the cobweb and its mold under it. ๐Ÿ˜ข greenish.   

Could this be from the container being to wet inside?  I had water build up on the top of the lid that was dropping down onto the sub and had the big holes on the top cover, covered with tape and the small bb sized holes covered with the micro tape?  Iโ€™m thinking that was my problem?  Way too much moisture?

Edited by Solodog86 (02/08/24 11:08 AM)

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651554 - 02/08/24 10:59 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Your spores were possibly contaminated to begin with.  Or your grain bag was possibly contaminated to begin with.  Or you substrate bag was possibly contaminated to begin with.  Or all 3 were possibly contaminated to begin with. 

If you stick around and read through the teks here, you can work through each step to assure you have mushrooms to study further.

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Re: First grow [Re: stagger]
    #28651569 - 02/08/24 11:13 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)




Next one.  Last one looked just as good.  So the lid raining down onto the sub has absolutely nothing to do with the cobweb?  Just want to be 100% certain.  Thanks an sry for repeating that question.

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651575 - 02/08/24 11:24 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

The excessive moisture doesnโ€™t help but isnโ€™t necessarily the source of the contamination. Those bags look good so far. If you havenโ€™t already done a break and shake I suggest doing that now. If there is any hidden contamination you will know in a day or two because the bag will get nasty. Donโ€™t use any poo on the next tray. Just coir and verm. Just do the bucket tek for coir. Itโ€™s super easy and works well.

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Re: First grow [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28651587 - 02/08/24 11:50 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Yes Iโ€™ve done the break n shake.  Iโ€™ll look into that other method, thanks.  I still have a few bags of this north spore poo tho and wouldnโ€™t mind using it up.

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Re: First grow [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28651590 - 02/08/24 11:53 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Whatโ€™s the ratio of coir an verm?  What about the gypsum?

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651637 - 02/08/24 12:35 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Verm is not needed. Only use it if you happen to make the coir too wet. Gypsum is redundant

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651638 - 02/08/24 12:35 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

You donโ€™t need gypsum in the substrate. I only use gypsum to keep my rye from sticking together. Most people donโ€™t even do that anymore.

Iโ€™m not the one to answer about ratios. I eyeball everything I do. Typically Iโ€™m using two quarts per brick of coir. (1.6lb brick) but I donโ€™t measure anything, I just dump it in until Iโ€™m happy with the way it looks.

Use the search engine and look for posts from Beefsupreme. Heโ€™s got a great method and you will be able to find all sorts of links to the information you seek.

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28651786 - 02/08/24 03:01 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I see trich (bubbly pure white) and some other stuff in there. Definitely toast.

The bags are looking much better.

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Re: First grow [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
    #28652075 - 02/08/24 06:12 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

So use straight coir?  Nothing else is needed?  Iโ€™ll definitely try this out.  I have some coir bricks coming and the 5 gal insulated jug like the post on here recommended.    Thinking about buying a grow tent to have a dedicated room that I can keep clean and not have to worry so much about contaminating.

Edited by Solodog86 (02/08/24 06:13 PM)

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Re: First grow [Re: MrJong]
    #28652082 - 02/08/24 06:18 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Thanks!  The last one looked just as good so I believe the contamination came from the sub, air or my tube having an excess amount of water dripping down from the lid.  100% humidity for 10 days without opening itโ€ฆ ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.  I placed coir on top of the sub before it colonized that was probably too wetโ€ฆ you donโ€™t see the coir in the picture because I removed it to stop the water from dripping down.  So maybe when I did that contamination got inโ€ฆ. Definitely doing this one different and without adding a dressing layer

Edited by Solodog86 (02/08/24 06:19 PM)

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28652086 - 02/08/24 06:20 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Most of the time that happens your spawn is dirty but it wasn't visible. What brand of coir are you using? I've seen a lot of people complain about eco-earth and other brands but unless you have serious problems with the coir's quality it shouldn't be the source of contams.

The moment you spawn it's open to contams anyway, even the conditions are there, you're just relying on your mycelium to have colonized all of the sensitive parts.

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Re: First grow [Re: MrJong]
    #28652141 - 02/08/24 07:30 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Everything is from north spore.    Just order some โ€œgrow itโ€ coir.

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Re: First grow [Re: MrJong]
    #28652142 - 02/08/24 07:31 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

As others have stated, your tub is seriously contaminated by multiple things. It will never fruit and it would be wise for you to concentrate your efforts on something new and chalk it up to experience. Pretty much any contamination you end up getting is always due to the health of the spawn you use. As others have pointed out, you are much better off using straight coir for your substrate and you layer for the top. straight coir is preferred because it has no nutritional value to the mycelium or contamination.
You also want to weigh your coir out to get close to exact weight, and multiply that by 4.6 to get how many ml you need of water.
1ml of water weighs 1G.
I wish you luck in your future grows, but I would not spend anymore time on that tub.
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Re: First grow [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28652171 - 02/08/24 07:49 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Thanks brother!  Definitely will try the straight coir method.  Definitely cheaper then ๐Ÿ’ฉ from N spore.  I heat up the water correct? and add the water and coir together?  Let it sit, cool down and then mix?  I forget the temps but thatโ€™s what Iโ€™ve read so far on here

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28652177 - 02/08/24 07:52 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Check out bucket tek. It's what most people around here use successfully.

There are other methods that work just as well and for instance some people (incl. me) just hydrate it on the stove. Coir is hard to contam if it doesn't contain random ground cricket bits and stuff.

YMMV but bucket tek is a good choice if you're not willing to venture too far.

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Re: First grow [Re: MrJong] * 1
    #28652188 - 02/08/24 08:03 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I use a insulated cooler and do 3 bricks at a time, boil the water needed and add to the coir and let it sit overnight.
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    #28652249 - 02/08/24 09:01 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I watched that video.  So do I need to use a casing layer?

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    #28652263 - 02/08/24 09:13 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Depends on the species, if you're growing cubensis I wouldn't recommend one. Pseudo casing (made of just coir) is useful for stuff that likes to blob because of spawn ratio/other weirdness like penis envy and it's definitely helpful for surface conditions.

Proper casing (with peat) does no harm in the right conditions but it slows down colonization/fruiting (which can screw you up if your spawn isn't the cleanest) and doesn't really do much of anything for cubensis. And if there's no obvious reason to do something we like to reduce the steps we use to avoid adding failure points. Keeping it stupid simple.

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    #28652287 - 02/08/24 09:49 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Jack Frost, penis envy, star gazer are the 3 I have.  I have the penis in the grain bag atm ๐Ÿ˜‚ wish it was a cherry pie.

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    #28652302 - 02/08/24 10:06 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I use a proper casing for penis envy.  I've used the pseudo casing before but had better results with standard.  Other members might say they had a different experience.  If you have enough spawn and feel like comparing, compare.  Post your results.  Just make sure to pasteurize the peat casing properly.

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Re: First grow [Re: stagger]
    #28652315 - 02/08/24 10:30 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

What would be the best way to expand my syringe?  Agar or liquid?    Need more to experiment with ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ”ฌ.  So do you guys use a microscope to inspect your spores be4 you start agar or liquid?

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    #28652336 - 02/08/24 11:17 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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What would be the best way to expand my syringe?  Agar or liquid?    Need more to experiment with ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ”ฌ.  So do you guys use a microscope to inspect your spores be4 you start agar or liquid?




I would take the syringe, put a single drop on an agar dish, tilt it so it makes a straight line to the other edge, wrap the dish and give it about a week, if it's clean then I'd probably transfer a wedge from there into another LC.

If you tested your LC once and you're confident in your method and know it's clean you can just expand it out directly but even with the practice/knowledge I have to this day I still prefer doing it the slow way.

No need for a microscope, you should see the difference on agar easily enough. Microscopes are cool but bonus

Spores are never clean if your shrooms were ever exposed to the open air (can't think of a single vendor that does otherwise, too much hassle for benefits). You want to germinate the spores on agar first then transfer the live culture.

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Re: First grow [Re: MrJong]
    #28652341 - 02/08/24 11:29 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Thanks an sry.  I edited it out!    Have a great night everyone.

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    #28654812 - 02/10/24 10:39 PM (11 months, 4 minutes ago)

Can you stick a piece of grain in a agar dish?

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28667314 - 02/19/24 07:00 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)




Hows this one looking ?

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Re: First grow [Re: Solodog86]
    #28667487 - 02/19/24 10:37 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Can you stick a piece of grain in a agar dish?



You certainly can.
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Hows this one looking ?



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    #28667781 - 02/20/24 07:28 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)



Looked perfectly fine in the grain bag.  2 days into agar Iโ€™m seeing blue/green? Dots .  Is this junk?

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    #28667808 - 02/20/24 07:57 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

After doing some research it seems like a air borne issue when transferring?

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