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So the police called me the other day....
    #2865131 - 07/07/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I got a call from the something something county and state police organization or whatever, I can't remember what he called themselves.  He asked if I wanted to participate in a stop crime program by placing a sticker on both my vehicle and house which basically says "You can search my home or vehicle at any time reguardless of probable cause because I am a law abiding citizen and I have nothing to hide."  He went on to explain that people who participate are less likely to be pulled over because they are recognized as a participant in the statewide crime prevention program.

Anyways, a few months ago I watched a "Law and Order" or one of the cop/lawyer shows on TV and they had such a case involving this same deal.  The show had a teenager who was driving her fathers car which had one of these feel free to search stickers on it.  She was pulled over and the cop went ahead and searched the vehicle just because the sticker said he could and found she had some marijuana stashed in the vehicle.

I told the guy on the phone that I like my rights just the way they are and I won't be participating in any such program which waives my right to privacy.  I have nothing to hide, I don't do drugs and I don't molest little boys, but now for some reason I think Im probably on a watch list because I refused to participate. :mad2:

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2865177 - 07/07/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

:shiftyeyes:

YOU ARE!!


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2865194 - 07/07/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Why start this program unless they want to search you in the first place? It's like putting you're peephole in backwards 'a la Kramer' to prove you trust the neighbors not to spy at you.

I still don't understand what this program is doing other than seperating the non-participaters. What state is this?


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2865243 - 07/07/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Baby steps are the best way to implement this sort of program.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2865411 - 07/07/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

shove your sticker up your stupid ass you
totalitarian jackass!

or something like that....


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2865458 - 07/07/04 02:52 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

America's getting scary.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Revelation]
    #2865468 - 07/07/04 02:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

My wife tends to get these kinds of phone calls and just listens to them. I likE to argue with these people until they get pissed and hang up.


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Edited by Innvertigo (07/07/04 03:15 PM)

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2865504 - 07/07/04 03:04 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

leykus: 1
feminists: 0


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: afoaf]
    #2865537 - 07/07/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

??? :confused:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2865561 - 07/07/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i had some jackass from the state troopers orginazation trie to get me to donate to an anti-drug fund yesterday.
"do you have a fund for the legalazation of drugs also?"
"uhh no sir we don't have anything like that"
"well than don't call again untill you do"

I'm probly on another list now


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2865618 - 07/07/04 03:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

tom leykus is this highly chauvenist radio
personality...you'd fucking love him...but
anywho...one of his bits is that chicks don't
read the paper, don't pay attention to the
news and don't give two shits about politics
so long as it has nothing to do with a ban
on cosmetics.

your description of your wife seemed to feed
into his stereotype, with all due respect to
the misses, of course.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2865686 - 07/07/04 04:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
Baby steps are the best way to implement this sort of program.




such programs shouldn't be considered in the first place really... :rolleyes:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2865730 - 07/07/04 04:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Azmodeus said:
Quote:

Innvertigo said:
Baby steps are the best way to implement this sort of program.




such programs shouldn't be considered in the first place really... :rolleyes:




They should if you plan on eventually controlling the populace with complete and total dominance. :hellfire: :whip:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Dreamer987]
    #2866139 - 07/07/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The police now carry a few dozen of those bumper stickers to attach to your car if you don't already have one. Isn't that thoughtful?


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2866504 - 07/07/04 07:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

You should have offered him an "All Cops Are Fags" bumper sticker to put on his cruiser.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2866561 - 07/07/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

its just a part of the plan, they slowly take your rights in the name of saftey, then when the time is right they exploit them and your screwed. whether you participate or not they are gonna screw you

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2867544 - 07/08/04 01:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"whether you participate or not they are gonna screw you "

Sad but true.  That tells you somthing about the poeple doesnt it.  Whats worse, a government that does such things, or a people htat go with and takeit up the ass?

Both sides are to blame.  The states have really "slack" gun laws (compared to here at least) so when it comes time to take back your freedom its gonna be a hellova brawl! :rockets: :machinegun: :laser: :sniper:

personally if it were me where i lived i would protest it.  that is just plain and simple  B-U-L-L S-H-I-T


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: afoaf]
    #2867882 - 07/08/04 06:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

tom leykus is this highly chauvenist radio
personality...you'd fucking love him




I know who he is, I just didn't know what the 1-0 meant. And no, I don't like him, I couldn't get past the whining.

Quote:

your description of your wife seemed to feed
into his stereotype, with all due respect to
the misses, of course.




actually she's overly nice and will listen to what people have to say longer than she really needs to. Her father raised her as a libertarian/conservative.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2868227 - 07/08/04 09:17 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

well la-di-dah...

:smirk:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: afoaf]
    #2868259 - 07/08/04 09:27 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

ha, that did make me sound a little uppity.

*drinks champange*  :rolleyes:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2868268 - 07/08/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

well, I do say, old chap, I never!


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2868361 - 07/08/04 09:53 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

My thought on this is that a bumper sticker is not a legal document and if your lawyer doesn't get any evidence from that search thrown out he sucks and you need a new lawyer.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2868371 - 07/08/04 09:58 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

If we can't win at least we can fuck with them. Get a sticker from somebody and scan it. Photoshop the scan so it looks good, but remove any permissions to the police, etc. Print the damn thing out and glue it to your car.

If you ever get searched, and the police reference the sticker as a waiver of rights, your high priced lawyer can point out that the sticker isn't what the police think it is and hopefully get any evidence found during the search tossed.

Doubt it would work, but still an interesting idea.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Seuss]
    #2868389 - 07/08/04 10:08 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

risky, but clever!


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Seuss]
    #2868812 - 07/08/04 12:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

If a girl wears a shirt that says "I suck cock" it doesn't give me the right to run up and shove my dick in her mouth.
I think any lawyer worth a shit could show that a sticker doe not constitue a waiver of rights. hell it isn't even signed and dated. Anyone could have slapped that sticker on there, even the cop himself on his way up to your window.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2868843 - 07/08/04 01:02 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

If a girl wears a shirt that says "I suck cock" it doesn't give me the right to run up and shove my dick in her mouth.




whoa!! not so fast mister, you've got something there. :smirk:


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2868852 - 07/08/04 01:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quick, start the t-shirt presses. Free shirts for chicks.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: afoaf]
    #2868858 - 07/08/04 01:09 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

havent you heard of the cameras in your lightbulbs?

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2868942 - 07/08/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

On a similar note.
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Combat Auto Theft Program (CAT)
Vehicle owners can join this no-cost program by signing a consent form allowing deputies to stop their vehicle if it is being driven on public roadways between the hours of 1-5 a.m. Participants will receive a black and yellow sticker to place in the lower left corner of their car's rear window. This decal is easily seen by patrol deputies AND auto thieves. When a patrol deputy sees a CAT decal on a car during the approved times, the deputy will stop the driver and ask for proof of identity and ownership. This program is jointly sponsored by the Sheriff's Office and AAA Auto Club South



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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2868959 - 07/08/04 01:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

there's absolutly nothing positive about this at all. Atleast give the schmucks a discount on insurance...sheesh.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2868976 - 07/08/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

My Vet plates and "this car protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker works for me.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2868977 - 07/08/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Not only that but what if I leave a bar at closing time, that sticker instantly targets me for a free pullover and interuption of guiltfree sex with some chick I hardly even know. Not to mention a buzz killing DWI to match.

Oh yeah! let me be the First to put one of those on my vehicle.

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    #2868987 - 07/08/04 01:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2870051 - 07/08/04 07:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I saw the opposite of that on a business card. It said something to the effect of:

"I do not consent to any search of my person, vehicle, or possessions."

"I choose to remain silent."

and some more such stuff. The idea is you just hand it to the cop with your ID when you're getting hounded.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2870085 - 07/08/04 07:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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My thought on this is that a bumper sticker is not a legal document and if your lawyer doesn't get any evidence from that search thrown out he sucks and you need a new lawyer.



I just talked to my dad(a lawyer) about this, and he says that such a bumper sticker, while not legally binding, would imply consent to search your car, and you would need to explicitly specify that the officer does not have permission to search your car.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Stein]
    #2870205 - 07/08/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

That program is a good one. There is no pressure to sign up for that one where I live. Little old ladies get them because they never have their car out past 10, so it makes their car undesireable to steal late at night(when a lot of car theft occurs).

As far as this program goes, I'm sure the sticker is just an indication that you have in fact filled out the proper paperwork to allow searches. I could be wrong. Big difference between allowing cops to search you for no reason and telling the cops to pull over your car if it's being driven when you don't.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2870255 - 07/08/04 08:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, by the same logic the "search me" stickers are good for old ladies too because they never carry drugs.

I say the constitutional protections we have are what pisses them off and they are trying like hell to get everyone to go along with just discarding them one or two at a time.

Fuck that! They're YOUR rights, I say KEEP THEM, old lady or not.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2870270 - 07/08/04 08:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Don't be stupid. Saying "search when you feel like it" and " please pull over my car after midnight because theres a 90% chance its not me driving" are totally different. Getting searched does NOTHING for the owner of the sticker. Getting your car pulled over in the middle of the night might get you your car back and discourage people from taking it.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2870297 - 07/08/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, but I don't like the general direction of all of this "Take my rights back please." bullshit.

There are some signs around where I live at certain stores that say " Hey cops come on in here and tell whoever you wan't to leave."


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2870364 - 07/08/04 08:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The car signs around here have been here a long time(no slippery slope). But as I said in my first post, these search stickers serve no purpose. Would you be opposed to a senior citizen couple being allowed to obtain a sticker saying" If it's not a senior driving this car then it's stolen"?

Of course the people getting these stickers are positive they won't be in the car during these times, unless they are stupid. It's a bigger headache having a car stolen then having to drive to the airport in the middle of the night one time in 5 years only to be pulled over and prove you are who you are.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2870446 - 07/08/04 09:02 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

There's always Lojak too.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2870746 - 07/08/04 10:20 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I saw the opposite of that on a business card. It said something to the effect of:

"I do not consent to any search of my person, vehicle, or possessions."

"I choose to remain silent."

and some more such stuff. The idea is you just hand it to the cop with your ID when you're getting hounded.




yeah.. I saw something similar to that on a NORML card.. sort of like this - http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3407


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2871977 - 07/09/04 07:20 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Would you be opposed to a senior citizen couple being allowed to obtain a sticker saying" If it's not a senior driving this car then it's stolen"?




Yes. On the basis that it would encourage pensioners to steal cars.
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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2872317 - 07/09/04 09:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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My thought on this is that a bumper sticker is not a legal document and if your lawyer doesn't get any evidence from that search thrown out he sucks and you need a new lawyer.



I just talked to my dad(a lawyer) about this, and he says that such a bumper sticker, while not legally binding, would imply consent to search your car, and you would need to explicitly specify that the officer does not have permission to search your car.




Interesting. I would hope that when it comes to the bill of rights it would take more than an implied consent. You should ask him if it would stand in court against a motivated defencse attorney. Or what if I had another stick saying that you don't consent to giving up any rights.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2877053 - 07/10/04 11:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Consentual searches should be outlawed altogether. It's just a way to allow cops to bully people into giving up their rights.

If someone is guilty, they obviously didn't really want the cop to search their house, or vehicle.


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2877083 - 07/10/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Consentual searches should be outlawed altogether. It's just a way to allow cops to bully people into giving up their rights.

If someone is guilty, they obviously didn't really want the cop to search their house, or vehicle.




Then it would be illegal to enter a buddys house if they gave you consent to enter.

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Redo]
    #2877419 - 07/11/04 04:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Consentual " searches", not "consentual entering by a friend".


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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Redo]
    #2877514 - 07/11/04 07:50 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: So the police called me the other day.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2884659 - 07/13/04 12:59 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The 1-5am stickers, I'm sure, are for the elderly.. and hey, if I was 87 I might get one.

well not me, I'm up till 5am as a rule, go go sleep disorders yeah.

but the search me sticker?

bit too fascist for my tastes thanks.
hell, DUI checkpoints are too fascist for my tastes. Implied guilt, prove your innocence. All that fucking shit is.. "prove I'm innocent, go ahead!"

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