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Proper methods for working with asbestos.
    #28648053 - 02/05/24 07:46 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Asbestos can be found in many different forms.
It can be tile.



It can be something that looks like fabric wrapped around a pipe.

It can be a rope, wall, tile.

The important thing is knowing how to reduce your chances of interacting with it.
We don’t all have a choice of where we live. Sometimes this stuff was built a long time before we lived there. So here’s how you can safely work around some of this material. If you have questions of whether something is or is not asbestos. There are testing facilities located in your area that you can contact and send samples to determine if it is indeed asbestos or not.



Now, what you wanna do is avoid just drilling or cutting directly into this material. There are some ways to control where the particles go and I think these should be known by everyone.
The first method is the wet method.
You want a heavily soap based mixture in a spray bottle. This viscosity will stop particles from escaping. Spray the area you’re going to drill into. Spray as you’re pulling out the drillbit.

An even better method is to use Barbasol and a small cup. Simply fill the cup with Barbasol place it against the wall, drilled through the bottom, and then pull it out without moving the cup.
If you’re curious, you can cut that shaving cream in half and see how many particles you stopped from going into the air.


The particles will get trapped in this shaving cream. So when you pull out the drillbit. None of those particles will enter the atmosphere around you.
It’s important to not work dry with these materials. You do not want any of these particles in the air because they can stay in the suspended for several days.

The most important thing to know when cleaning up or working with asbestos. Is to protect yourself as much as possible. Personal protective equipment such as gloves, masks and a suit are advisable. With the exception of the HEPA filter respirator. You can tell it’s a HEPA filter if it’s purple. Which can be cleaned off and used again. These other materials can never be reused and need to be removed in a very specific manner.
You slowly roll it off of you. Ending with you rolling down the legs again you want to be as careful as possible to not let the dust go into the air.

There are also HEPA vacuum cleaners which I would highly recommend removing some of this material.

When working a large area you need to maintain air pressure running through a HEPA filter.
Everything needs to be taped off and covered in plastic and rolled up and disposed of in the same way I described you getting rid of the clothing.

Double tape it. This is where you twist the top bend it in half and then tape it closed. Label it as asbestos and there are specific bins that you can dispose of it for free in most countries.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28648147 - 02/05/24 08:41 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

As a contractor, I prefer the "try not to think about it" method.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
    #28648162 - 02/05/24 08:48 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

:lol:
I have known quite a few people that do that. It never hurts to know a few things.
Couple tricks and recognization is what it really takes to minimalize a lot of contact.
I’ve seen people sweep up a pile of it, and just grab it with their hands and let the dust cloud go into their face…

There’s no need to be that brasen about it you know.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28649373 - 02/06/24 06:13 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

I can see why someone who worked with the stuff might have the worse outcome.

But, why didn't several generations of people all suffer after living with it? :shrug:

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28649471 - 02/06/24 07:16 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Every first responder to ground zero.
Died from the impact of asbestos in that dust.
Take a look at this.
https://www.mesothelioma.com/blog/remembering-mesothelioma-victims-on-911/#:~:text=When%20the%20twin%20towers%20fell,mesothelioma%2C%20lung%20cancer%20and%20asbestosis.

This has been killing people for decades. We need stronger regulations against it being brought into the country. It’s no longer allowed to be produced. But it can still be used.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28650041 - 02/07/24 08:56 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

:spock: This was a 9-11 thing, for you.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: durian_2008]
    #28650068 - 02/07/24 09:15 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

That’s just the biggest example I have of mesothelioma. It’s been happening forever.
People that worked in the army during World War II. There was a cloth used on artillery cannons. That was made out of asbestos. That made people sick too.

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    #28655583 - 02/11/24 02:15 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Last time I knowingly worked with asbestos we were cleaning tiles for reuse. We were cleaning the old adhesive off the bottom with paint thinner, rags and brushes. One of the guys sitting next to me got fed up with how long it was taking so he grabs a belt sander and hooks it with the back of the belt pointing towards me. He turns it on and I'm immediately blasted in the face with a cloud of tile dust. He then put the belt sander away and went back to the paint thinner. Its never really sat well with me, but I'll give him a call in around 30 years when I get mesothelioma

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: Griye]
    #28655596 - 02/11/24 02:36 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

You should be fine. Everyone is exposed to this. It’s a naturally occurring mineral. The fact is that you were exposed once. You didn’t like it. And you haven’t been since.

It’s people that work with this every single day and don’t treat it with the respect that it deserves. Those people get sick.

Just knowing the methods of avoidance and applying it when you can. Is the difference.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28656601 - 02/12/24 10:50 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

I get what you're saying but I've been exposed more than once. Part of working on historical and commercial buildings. Yea it occurs naturally but once it's airborne it's a problem

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: Griye]
    #28657321 - 02/12/24 07:09 PM (3 months, 3 days ago)

I'm seeing the biases, here. Just offering that there are alternative worldviews.

SWIM was left an HVAC shop, and an answering machine full of work orders, by a parent who died with lungs full of blood. SWIM showed me the material and acted unafraid of it.

A gf with a mob name suffered a form of cancer, apparently due to talcum mined near asbestos deposits.

A Texan from faircompanies dot com wanted investors for his all-natural, tiny homes, saying how the issue was a matter of synthetic fibers, of any composition whatsoever, not being broken down in the lungs.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28664159 - 02/17/24 04:28 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)






Macrophages impaled on asbestos.

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    #28704635 - 03/19/24 10:34 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Removing the contraband insulation (in place of glass fibers?) has been a form of subsidized makework in my blue state for at least 30yrs.

Workers are still apparently using it on the road surface -- some wearing shorts.

:waitthatsbad:

It splashes up their leg.

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Re: Proper methods for working with asbestos. [Re: durian_2008]
    #28731379 - 04/09/24 06:06 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I leave jobsites I even suspect have asbestos. I've been exposed before. No more. Thankfully I can pick my jobsites now.

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    #28731474 - 04/09/24 07:55 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

You could force them to test the site.
:shrug: Then they don’t get to feign Ignorance anymore.

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    #28733082 - 04/10/24 06:45 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Yeah I know I could make a stink about it and probably should for everyone's sake. It doesn't come up often for me as I mostly do new construction. I usually just ask to be transferred if I feel any asbestos risk and they don't question me. One time I did complain to them about it,  was supposed to spend a few weeks ripping out drywall at an older condo complex but when I arrived there was big bags of flooring everywhere double bagged and taped up. Standard asbestos removal practice here. Was still really dusty from floor removal like it hadn't been vacuumed even. Finished the one day there for some reason, told my company about it who said they'd look into it and transferred me back to new construction.

I have co workers that do asbestos removal for the same company and only make 2 dollars more per hour than me. No thanks.

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