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Pinkerton
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Freedom
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Freedom was telling me that people with trauma have to be treated in a particular way,
What I was attempting to communicate is the exact opposite of this. That one particular way may not be appropriate for someone with trauma. I never made any claim of any particular way, in fact, I wrote above: "its ok to use other methods to process trauma, like memory reconsolidation, or MDMA therapy or EMDR or yoga or whatever is appropriate for each person"
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redgreenvines said: and he found my approach to matters of the mind naive.
I don't find your 'approach' to matters of the mind naive.
At this point it looks like you're trolling me.
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Skropi
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I am bit nervous about tomorrow, and relieved at the same time.
this is terrific, tomorrow is always unknown but it is still part of where we are going. being calm in the face of uncertainty is the kind of confidence that makes no false claims, it is not bravado, just common sense. I like that you said that.
Well, the reason I am relieved is because I will get to start taking care of myself, by going to a doctor, I wish it was courage, but it isn't, I am actually way more scared of psychiatrists than dentists, and my only experience with a psychiatrist was 60 seconds of talking with one, when I needed a psychiatrist's opinion that I am well for a job, many years ago. Yes, he didn't examine me, it was typical, but still, those 60 seconds were scary, as I immediately realised that there is no way to fool that man, it was obvious that I was completely transparent to him. I guess that is what they do for a living, right? 😄
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redgreenvines
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi] 2
#28647323 - 02/05/24 08:25 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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It is hard to presume what another is thinking, but we all probably think that psychiatrists know so much that they can see through us.
this is not necessarily true, maybe they can detect that you are hiding something, but they cannot read your mind. body posture, facial gestures, general disposition, yes, but not what you are not sharing willingly.
the more you do share the more likely their work can be of service to you.
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Rahz
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
#28647336 - 02/05/24 08:34 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Examine your thoughts in a critical but kind way. Make it a practice. Without fear there's no need for courage. And you are not going to "start" taking care of yourself. You are going to explore new options.
Self care encompasses many things. Going to a doctor is only one aspect. As I and others mentioned, therapy can be very helpful. But it's not magic, nor are drugs magic. The magic is inside of you but it must be nurtured. You must learn to be kind to yourself through awareness of your thought process.
In that context it's necessary to devalue aspects of the thought process. That doesn't mean you don't express them because without expression there is no awareness. When you have a self judgmental thought consider how it makes you feel. Is that helpful? If you reject that thought for it's opposite, does that make you feel better? If so, how long does that feeling last? If not, what is the feeling? Fighting the thoughts that arise? Is that helpful? Eventually you will begin to see that you are fighting yourself and you can begin to quit fighting. You will devalue the negative thoughts and not try to replace them. This is the sound of silence. It's a beautiful thing. No amount of effort can create that beauty. There will be moments when you marvel in the moment at the tranquility which appears seemingly out of nowhere. You will reach for it and it will be gone. Let it go. It will come back. Patience.
Be curious. Be kind.
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Skropi
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Rahz] 1
#28647400 - 02/05/24 09:32 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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You know, I've been way too good to myself till now, feeling no remorse for anything I've done, paying no heed to what I do or think. I do not want to discard any negative thoughts, because they are all true, I want to live with them, but in peace. Well, now that's something that I haven't thought about, making peace with myself. You know guys, I don't know if I feel better because of your contribution, or because I dosed a week ago, probably both, but really everyone has my thanks.
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
#28647427 - 02/05/24 10:00 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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"I do not want to discard any negative thoughts, because they are all true, I want to live with them, but in peace"
Looks like anarchistic topics are not dissuaded in this tête-à-tête.
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Rahz
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Who said your input was unwelcome?
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Rahz] 1
#28647451 - 02/05/24 10:36 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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My input is always unwelcome.
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Rahz
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It often seems cryptic.
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#28647463 - 02/05/24 10:43 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I'm fishing for the new boy's dark secrets
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Skropi
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Rahz said: Who said your input was unwelcome?
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Buster_Brown said: "I do not want to discard any negative thoughts, because they are all true, I want to live with them, but in peace"
Looks like anarchistic topics are not dissuaded in this tête-à-tête.
I didn't get you mate. What does anarchy have to do with anything here? I just don't get what you said. Anarchy? Face to face what? I am sorry but I can't make sense of what you are trying to say.
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
#28647475 - 02/05/24 10:50 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I entered with a suicidal quip and followed with a whiff of scandle.
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redgreenvines
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Buster Brown is the class clown
either that or he is an evil psychiatrist
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Skropi
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Buster_Brown said: I'm fishing for the new boy's dark secrets
I don't think they are so important, I am not special, everyone, or almost everyone, has done things they regret, what I can't seem to be able to do is come to terms with all that. But this is just a part of it all, not the whole story, so again, I don't think it matters much in isolation. I am just tired of all the pain that is intrinsic to life mate, just tired. Yeah, I can understand that there can be no life without pain, I am fully aware of that, it just makes sense, but I just can't accept it anymore, I've had enough, so I just trying to get through life with as little pain as possible. Problem is that this approach doesn't seem to be working as intended, as it entails sacrifices in other aspects of life, which in turn produce more problems. Damn my circular logic, now I am the one making no sense.
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Skropi
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redgreenvines said: Buster Brown is the class clown
either that or he is an evil psychiatrist
I was about to tell you to show some respect to Buster because he has 11k posts, and then I saw that you have more than triple that. Ok, you are allowed to say whatever you want about him now.
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
#28647485 - 02/05/24 11:00 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I'm guilty of presumptuous thinking; I was sure I could click on the light and the skeletons would tumble out of the closet.
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Skropi
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To be frank, I don't want to assess myself, as I don't trust those self assesments anymore, that is why I am very reluctant to talk more openly. Moreover, there are people with much more serious issues than me, and I feel like I disrespect them, even by simply starting such a thread mate.
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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi] 1
#28647510 - 02/05/24 11:30 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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You're a tough nut to crack open. This requires much observation. Please feel free and unreserved in your banter.
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Skropi
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Lol mate, you are relentless. I like your style.
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