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smoothnobody
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nobody has said start over, so i'm assuming this spawn has a chance. i know nobody has a crystal ball, but what would you say my odds of success are?
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LadysKnight
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You could poke around here, do your own reading instead of asking questions that you're not ready to hear the answers to. Fish eggs indeed.
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smoothnobody
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it's not about not being ready to hear answers. people on this very forum told me post count and account age doesn't mean anything be careful who you listen to. don't tell me to be cautious and then give me a hard time for being cautious. i've made plenty of effort on my own and done my poking around here. enough to know there is both bad and outdated information floating around. i prefer to ask questions and see what the group response is.
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Daeda1us



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very early on someone referred to you the hitchhiker's guide. almost all of your follow up questions would have been addressed. please, give it a read. read it again, and again, and again. read every link again and again. we don't sell things here unlike where you got your spawn. their instructions might have good intentions, but they do not care if you get fruits or not. everyone in this thread has tried to help you. read it again.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530
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PapayaKing
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: Daeda1us]
#28647277 - 02/05/24 07:23 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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But that guide doesnt say to fruit directly? Just to let it colonize first?
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smoothnobody
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: PapayaKing]
#28647280 - 02/05/24 07:25 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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i recognize you guys are trying to help. i appreciate that and have said thank you several times. but i will dispute almost all of my questions are answered in that post. i want to hear different opinions and experiences. i will read it and ask questions along the way.
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DERRAYLD
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: PapayaKing]
#28647285 - 02/05/24 07:32 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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I already answered that previously.
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Daeda1us



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in the guide you'll notice 3 main sections, or stages: agar, spawn, bulk. SPAWN - while the grain is in it's jar, it colonizes & we shake it to distribute the points where the myc can spread, helping ensure you don't have uncolonized grains when you send to bulk at full colonization. any uncolonized grains are highly susceptible to contamination. bacteria and spores have a hard time germinating on just coir alone. BULK - when we mix our spawn with bulk (i use just coir @ field capacity), we introduce it to fruiting conditions right away. the recommended fruiting chambers do extremely well with set & forget if the FC was constructed per TEK. i've linked BODs unmodified monotub post. he references colonization/fruiting and chooses to just call it growing conditions.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800
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smoothnobody
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: Daeda1us]
#28647298 - 02/05/24 07:54 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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i know what spawn is. i was confused because he said pre-bought spawn. you don't pre-buy spawn. i know he was referring to pre-bought grains/substrate but his choice of words threw me off and i wanted to make sure i knew what spawn was. i would rather ask dumb questions than be ignorant. i did read through the hitchhikers guide but first time seeing the glossary and BODs guide. i bookmarked both of them. thanks.
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AlexandrDughin
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 ultimately, it is upon your command that the hands will move and do. Thus, i think it is very important to develop the sharp skill of observation.
A thousand words might be said, without being able to convey or receive the corect instructions, but if you look with attention at what you have, compare it with the thousands of photos available in this forum, as references, find the ones that are the most similar to yours and read those threads, you wil be able trough similarity or difference, to make the corect decision.
Remember that growing conditions are very different across the globe, and what worked for me, might not work for you in the same way.
A point from me is this : ( for future grows ) - Always make at least 2, and keep them in different conditions.
You spawned all your grains in a single tub, so if for some reason it goes bad, you lost it all. I understand that the pressure is high..., but as long as there is some visible mycellium, something will grow.
Keep it simple, give that micellium some air, don't overmist it and let the organism do it's thing.
For example, i managed to get a mushroom from even as bad a situation as this one : - under hydrated - sitting in a box flating on water - with the lid semi opened all the time
 Just took a fresh spore print from that
Edited by AlexandrDughin (02/05/24 03:47 PM)
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Daeda1us



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Quote:
smoothnobody said: i was confused because he said pre-bought spawn. you don't pre-buy spawn. i know he was referring to pre-bought grains/substrate but his choice of words threw me off and i wanted to make sure i knew what spawn was.
probably a waste of time, but you need to understand this. the fact that that is confusing tells me you have put the cart before the horse.
you bought a grow kit with the ubiquitous monotub. these questions are asked every single day. along with every other question we field daily, the hitchhiker's guide was written specifically with you in mind. you purchased per-sterilized grain (literally grain spawn). it doesn't matter if it has been inoculated or not. after you've sterilized your grain, it's grain spawn. so, yes you did buy spawn. the steps you have taken so far removed 95% of the processes and subsequent learning that is crucial to your understanding of this hobby. so please, stop mincing words from the advice we are giving.
good luck with your fish eggs.
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Edited by Daeda1us (02/05/24 03:37 PM)
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smoothnobody
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: Daeda1us]
#28648277 - 02/05/24 11:04 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Spawn - Culture of mycelium on grain, sawdust, etc., used to inoculate the final substrate, or bulk.
according to this definition, i did not buy spawn. i bought grain. i introduced spores to that grain, which became spawn.
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DERRAYLD
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smoothnobody
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28648296 - 02/05/24 11:49 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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this conversation did not need to happen. you are the one trying to make a point from a position of authority. if i am wrong, i am happy to admit i am wrong. being wrong does not bother me. when i am wrong, it's an opportunity for me to learn something. however, i am not going to let somebody piss on me and tell me it's raining. if you buy cake mix, eggs, and vegetable oil, did you buy a cake? no, you did not. if i am wrong, please, feel free to defend your position and tell me how i am wrong. i am listening. from my position, it looks like you are both wrong and taking a cheap shot at me. if you google the definition of spawn, you will see this.....
the eggs of fish, frogs, etc. the mycelium of a fungus.
you say i'm mincing words. i say if you are trying to educate somebody, get it right. spawn is fish eggs, and mycelium. i did not buy mycelium. you guys should be happy i am making the effort to google search. instead you use this as an opportunity to mock me.
not cool.
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DERRAYLD
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Dude, take a step back and realize we're all trying to help. You just keep coming back and beating your head against a wall.
Just stop, move on from this discussion and continue to ask further questions. Harping on one point really serves no purpose.
This was a clear misunderstanding that was perpetuated by your lack of knowledge. No reason to take offense or fight it like it's a hill you want to die on.
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smoothnobody
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Re: this doesn't look good [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28648308 - 02/06/24 12:34 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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i have already acknowledged you guys are trying to help. i have already expressed my appreciation for that. these are not empty words. i genuinely do appreciate the assistance and education. even from you. i know i have alot to learn. however, that does not mean i am going to put up with being mocked. especially when i am not wrong. you know damn well you are throwing shade and trying to be cute with the fish eggs comments. take your own advice, move on. my advice to you, don't be snarky. some people push back. i do agree, it was a simple misunderstanding. which is why i asked for clarification. asking questions should not be excuse to poke at me. hopefully we have an understanding. peace? cool. glad we worked this out. i'm happy to be friendly.
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smoothnobody
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shifting gears, sharing other thoughts, i'm a little sad. i didn't jump in to this blind. i did spend MANY hours reading, watching videos, and asking questions. i had my gloves, i cleaned, i watched it every day. i thought i was doing good. i was hyped seeing the mycelium grow and getting ready for bulk. i've been checking on it like 3 times a day. today was the first day i woke up, looked at it, and wondered if it's going to make it.
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