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Practicing spiritual "magic" * 1
    #28641054 - 01/30/24 07:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Someone sent me a message about how, in practicing spiritual "magic", we are to abandon the very notion of what we expect to have happen.

I thought that was "eye-opening". I was being told, instead of playing by the rules of the game I had known my life, I was to step aside from it all and change the rules of the game, that were constructing my very notion of reality.

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Lithop: Suspend disbelief. This (your practise) is something for you. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you have to be able to explain anything, turn other peoples opinion on whether it's real etc.
Magick relies on TRUE belief to start working properly so whatever gets you to that place 'safely' is part of your entry to understanding it.




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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28641084 - 01/30/24 07:58 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

What is the translation of self?
God practices "magic", not "you".
Wizardry is step two. Onto step three. ~asante


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28641314 - 01/31/24 02:47 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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solarshroomster said:
What is the translation of self?
God practices "magic", not "you".
Wizardry is step one. Onto step two. ~asante



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Then God showed him what is other than Him as Himself, without the existence of what is other than Him. So he saw things as they are, that is, he saw them as the essence of God, who is exalted, without how or where. The word 'things' applies to the self and to other things, because the existence of the self and the existence of things are equal in terms of being 'things'. When you know the things, you know yourself and when you know yourself, you know the Lord. Because what you think is other than God is not other than God but you do not know it. You see Him and you do not know that you see Him.



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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: solarshroomster] * 2
    #28643718 - 02/02/24 08:38 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Then God showed him what is other than Him as Himself, without the existence of what is other than Him. So he saw things as they are, that is, he saw them as the essence of God, who is exalted, without how or where. The word 'things' applies to the self and to other things, because the existence of the self and the existence of things are equal in terms of being 'things'. When you know the things, you know yourself and when you know yourself, you know the Lord. Because what you think is other than God is not other than God but you do not know it. You see Him and you do not know that you see Him.






:awesomenod:

When it comes to practice, the primary role of the practioner, whether in magic or any other spiritual tradition, is to make themselves as appropriate of a fit as possible for contact with whatever it is they are reaching out to.
This enactment with intent toward self refinement or internal alchemy may be approached by ritual or magical workings, or by Bhakti, or by taking refuge in a Buddhist deity as your central focus- the list goes on and on, because once you're on or aware of 'the path' then there will be as many opportunities to make the choice that is right for you as can be feasibly given in accordance to certain Universal laws.
In my opinion.
But you have to be seen as making the choices from the most genuine place your current level of understanding allows for. 
Choices toward whatever more readily allows God or whichever facet of divinity/ discarnate intelligence you're intent on working with to present the fruits of 'your' effort/prayers to you in a way that enables you to see or further understand what it is you were asking in the first place.

When playing role as practioner of these things in any respect, that there's a real sense of surrender that isn't always easy to stomach, especially when belief wanes.
You're free to pick back up your old views any time you want to if the suspension of belief happens to be for the worse, or unwarranted- the same is not so easily said for the opposite in understanding, accepting or even embracing some of the stuff you will be (and have been) faced with along the way.
Suspension of disbelief thing is mostly useful in creating space to consider something from a less distorted viewpoint because as we grow I think our tolerance to what is believable becomes varied. In both directions.

How are you getting on with your foray into mystic ideas, Solar?
Anything cool to report, progress on the book/blog, interesting reads or insights, or any entheogenic adventures as of late- any real belief suspending moments?
:lol:
:trippindude:

Personally I had slacked off for a bit and neglected to do any ritual work for maybe a month or so.
When I tried to really get into anything practical it felt embarassing, it seemed hollow and stupid and I wondered WTF am I even doing.  No combo of meditation or excersise first, stoned or sober, whatever I tried felt like it wasn't cutting it and I just didn't feel the energy to get into it regularly.
So 'practising spiritual magic' (being ritual or more 'engaged' forms of meditation like Metta) took a backseat to persuits that were, I suppose, more grounded for a bit.
Actually quite on topic, because it really was as if my disbelief had come rushing back in, unsuspended disbelief.
And not in a way that felt like bias checking or challenging my beliefs deliberately, rather that this sudden doubt had been put upon me out of the blue- as you describe your early stages with some of this stuff, a sort of rug pulling but in this case less sudden.
:uhoh:
Lots of the spaciousness now afforded in my life felt inaccessible, seemed blind to the positive effects (there are tonnes) that integrating myself into those practises have brought my attention to. Only the immediately, noticable/gratifying aspects of meditating & mantra were enough to keep me doing that on the rougher days.
This sort of doubt and disbelief can definitely creep up, to the point even viewing these things as a sort of psychological exercise seems useless.

Then about a fortnight ago, off the back of a juicy I Ching reading, I enjoyed some fresh shrooms and ended up in a great ritual & meditation session into the next morning.
Realising the fact that; it wasn't only a lack of my failing to see immediate effect that had driven me from what has been a rewarding practise, but an inflated sense of self doubt & awkwardness that seemed directly a result of feeling depressed that got me doubting my choices- so influencing my focus & intent- in the first place. I'd stopped putting effort in & hadn't been holding up my side of things quite as I should, to my own detriment and briefly struggled in understanding my own intentions.

So now, things have been a lot better again on that front, shroom afterglow is often great for getting back on track with routine like that. 
If anything, the feeling of getting back to proper practise after a break has been useful in itself as something to think about- valuable to keep perspective on things as well as diving deep.
A sense of delusion, or suspecting it in yourself, seems inevitable if serious about applying some of this paranormal/occult/ spiritual stuff to your daily way of being- feels we're almost always inbetween states of understanding and integrating what lessons mean and being sincere about our investment in them.
:feelstrippyman:
Also bear in mind I am still a neophyte (read: noob) at this stuff.
All the best to you mate, have a great weekend!
A pressing meeting with the 'ol Psilocybe Semilanceata on the agenda for me this evening.
:chefskiss:
TLDR: what we practise is letting stuff happen.


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28643784 - 02/02/24 09:53 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Have a great journey! Report back your findings! :mushroom2:

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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: spinvis] * 3
    #28644427 - 02/02/24 06:49 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Also tripping tonight, 4.5g PE.

Maybe I’ll see Lithop in hyperspace.


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: solarshroomster] * 3
    #28645075 - 02/03/24 10:40 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Lithop How are you getting on with your foray into mystic ideas, Solar?
Anything cool to report, progress on the book/blog, interesting reads or insights, or any entheogenic adventures as of late- any real belief suspending moments?




Yes. Last night - I took something like 5g of PE. It was "real belief suspending".

I don't know how to describe it, but it felt like all the structures of reality that I knew fell apart (reality came apart in "full-on chunks" of existence), and I returned to an eternal fantasy of my mind that was "freer", like "realer than real". Saw through time and the faces of everyone I ever knew flow into the patterns of the carpets and my internet browser.

Reality became "stringy" again, and every moment that ever existed or will ever exist was connected by these strings of time.

Entered the "home menu" of existence, might be a decent way to describe it. And this "home menu" was beyond all earthly understanding. There was a feeling that everything I had ever experienced in my life was an interconnected dream, a "structure of memory". Strong feelings of interconnection, with everything that exists across time. As someone wise once told me: "History is memory, the future is imaginary".

I was seeing something and not seeing it at the same time, which was a strange concept.

Felt like I tapped into the "high strangeness" of existence. When you just open your mind to whatever is possible, you open a pandora's box to reality, which is what happened during my experience. It felt like I opened my imagination to explore reality in a way that it couldn't previously. It was "freer" than what I knew before, and it was no longer constrained to earthly understanding. And it told a story of existence that is timeless.

Existence is SO strange and trippy!!!!!

Dang - I wish I had the words to describe the state of mind I experienced last night. Probably, the less words the better here, so I'll end it here.

"Magic is FOR YOU"


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28645191 - 02/03/24 12:28 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Awesome report I read while playing spinvis' music posted. Reading w good music is underrated.

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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28645920 - 02/04/24 03:21 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

'I was seeing something and not seeing it at the same time, which was a strange concept.

Felt like I tapped into the "high strangeness" of existence.'

Recently I've been considering ways to describe when say, in an immersion, and the sense of self goes. One way it came as the difference between space and hyperspace as the space term has been going around.

It is a high strangeness because although it may be described as loss of sense of self, some kind of awareness is there, so self then, like seeing something and not seeing it at the same time.

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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28645939 - 02/04/24 03:56 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Magic happens. Its a matter of attribution whether you practice the magic or whether you are auxiliary in the process.

In my understanding Divinty lets your spiritual acts fall into place with a Magical occurrance.

Your acts are not causative, they accompany the Divine Magic. You are allowed to align with it though.

Divinity dislikes "wizards" who accredit the miraculous to themselves. Divinity favors miracle workers who humbly place credit where it is due.


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: spinvis] * 2
    #28646756 - 02/04/24 07:27 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Have a great journey! Report back your findings! :mushroom2:



:salute:
Thanks spinvis, definitely got thrown for a loop on this one- as it seems solar did! Here you go.
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Awesome report I read while playing spinvis' music posted. Reading w good music is underrated.



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Aw yeah- Reading with the right audio accompaniment elevates the fuck out of it.

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solarshroomster said:
Yes. Last night - I took something like 5g of PE. It was "real belief suspending".

I don't know how to describe it, but it felt like all the structures of reality that I knew fell apart (reality came apart in "full-on chunks" of existence), and I returned to an eternal fantasy of my mind that was "freer", like "realer than real". Saw through time and the faces of everyone I ever knew flow into the patterns of the carpets and my internet browser.



Haha! 5g of PE...
:prayer:
Glad you had a banger of a trip too mate, sounds rad and extremely relatable.
Funny that we ended up tripping the same night- I got into a fuckin wild one as well. Some fun coinciding between some parts too- perhaps inevitable during certain mushroom experiences:
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my report said:...my already fully shroomy vision (sort of flowing, feathered fine texturing which warps whatever it runs over, OEV tryptamine type stuff) starts to pixelate and drop away in big pieces right at the edges- like crumbling, wet sand.
It was a "Whoooaaaah." moment for definite.
:shitsintense:
Where the sand had fallen away was indescernable, like fine static or blank void space.
It looked absolutely incredible.

...

One minute I'm relatively conscious of where I am and whats going on- quite normal. Then all of a sudden I'm constricted. Like I'm being forcefully vacuum-packed, I feel all my tissue gradually pulled tighlty inward, presumably by mushroom material contracting, I had decided.
Ears ringing louder than ever, I vaguely feel my whole body as being dessicated and wrinkled, as a weird vac-packed mummy type article laid flat on my couch.
Then I got folded up and fell inward into my own chest.

This section is so hard to remember, or I don't have much memory of it all. I remember the folding part because there was a fucking bizarre and real sense of 'squaring off, folding and falling in' that happened.
Sort of like when Woody falls through the cards in Toy Story but into myself.
:sadyes:
:awesomenod:


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Sometimes there was a general falling away of reality, the room breaking into a transitional animation type deal- as with the sand thing earlier- or tunnel visiony static interludes leading to the blackout type place, but other times it was like I'd just realised I was 'aware' and I'd be gone again.



:awesomenod:
You can check the report out here if you get a minute and want to read.
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solarshroomster said:
Reality became "stringy" again, and every moment that ever existed or will ever exist was connected by these strings of time.

Entered the "home menu" of existence, might be a decent way to describe it. And this "home menu" was beyond all earthly understanding. There was a feeling that everything I had ever experienced in my life was an interconnected dream, a "structure of memory". Strong feelings of interconnection, with everything that exists across time. As someone wise once told me: "History is memory, the future is imaginary".

I was seeing something and not seeing it at the same time, which was a strange concept.



The time stuff... I definitely have experienced something analogous to what you mention here and before on 'stringy time' haha.
:feelstrippyman:

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solarshroomster said:
Felt like I tapped into the "high strangeness" of existence. When you just open your mind to whatever is possible, you open a pandora's box to reality, which is what happened during my experience. It felt like I opened my imagination to explore reality in a way that it couldn't previously. It was "freer" than what I knew before, and it was no longer constrained to earthly understanding. And it told a story of existence that is timeless.

Existence is SO strange and trippy!!!!!

Dang - I wish I had the words to describe the state of mind I experienced last night. Probably, the less words the better here, so I'll end it here.

"Magic is FOR YOU"



Yeah defining it in words is very tough. This meme, or ones of this nature, sums it up:

Overall great, I enjoyed hearing about your trip and glad to see you post. However, I'm not sure if I encountered you in hyper space...
Asante oddly featured as an extra in the trip, I think due to this thread and your mentioning his quote about magic the other day, but I didn't see you or some fractal spinner chauffeur holding a sign saying "ረጎፕዘዐየ", if you had arranged anything like that.
:lol:
Never more so than right after one of those trips would I agree that yeah, there certainly seem to be all sorts of currents of high strangeness running through existence. I'm glad to live in circumstances where we really can freely persue this stuff so much.
:magicfingers:

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Asante said:
Magic happens. Its a matter of attribution whether you practice the magic or whether you are auxiliary in the process.

In my understanding Divinty lets your spiritual acts fall into place with a Magical occurrance.

Your acts are not causative, they accompany the Divine Magic. You are allowed to align with it though.


Divinity dislikes "wizards" who accredit the miraculous to themselves. Divinity favors miracle workers who humbly place credit where it is due.



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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28647828 - 02/05/24 04:02 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Magical stuff! Great bedtime reads :mushroom2:

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    #28647999 - 02/05/24 07:11 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

This song was coming up for me around Lithop's tripping style. :lol: :awedance:

The cat shit chapter had me cracking up. Awesome void diving part.


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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28648515 - 02/06/24 06:42 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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This song was coming up for me around Lithop's tripping style. :lol: :awedance:

The cat shit chapter had me cracking up. Awesome void diving part.

'If you wanna get to Heaven'



:lmafo:
lol, great and apt jam- gotta raise a little hell indeed!
Some reason gives me vibes of:

Dealing with catshit be harsh on the senses at the best of times...
:shakecat:

Solar, how you feeling now/ what you been up to after the fact?
Hope its given you some boost- glowing strong here still!


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    #28648533 - 02/06/24 07:02 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Was reading the following which reminded me of this thread.

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Nicholson was a very shy and retiring man, painfully diffident-a scholar of the study who never traveled out of Europe, yet he achieved a deeper penetration of the mind and spirit of Islam than any other man I have ever known. He rarely spoke of his personal beliefs, and in twenty-five years of close friendship I learned little of his own spiritual formation. But the impression I gained was that he too had lost his faith as a young man, and had regained it through his intellectual communion with the mystics of Islam. In his old age he composed a poem in which he revealed for the first time his inner thoughts. These thoughts had obviously been profoundly influenced by his long studies of Rumi.

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Deep in our hearts the Light of Heaven is shining
Upon a soundless Sea without a shore.
Oh, happy they who found it in resigning
The images of all that men adore.
Blind eyes, to dote on shadows of things fair
Only at last to curse their fatal lure,
Like Harut and Marut, that Angel-pair
Who deemed themselves the purest of the pure.
Our ignorance and self-will and vicious pride
Destroy the harmony of part and whole.
In vain we seek with lusts unmortified
A vision of the One Eternal Soul.
Love, Love alone can kill what seemed so dead,
The frozen snake of passion. Love alone,
By tearful prayer and fiery longing fed,
Reveals a knowledge schools have never known.
God’s lovers learn from Him the secret ways
Of Providence, the universal plan.
Living in Him, they ever sing His praise
Who made the myriad worlds of Time for Man.
Evil they knew not, for in Him there’s none;
Yet without evil how should good be seen?
Love answers: “Feel with me, with me be one;
Where I am nought stands up to come between.”
There are degrees of heavenly light in souls;
Prophets and Saints have shown the path they trod,
Its starting points and stages, halts and goals,
All leading to the single end in God.
Love will not let his faithful servants tire,
Immortal Beauty draws them on and on
From glory unto glory drawing nigher
At each remove and loving to be drawn.
When Truth shines out words fail and nothing tell;
Now hear the Voice within your hearts. Farewell.



I have spoken at this length of my old friend, whom I saw last very shortly before his death in 1945, because I am conscious of a debt to Nicholson which I can never hope to repay. He was the perfect scholar, so devoted to his books that he blinded himself by reading, so modest and humble that he was totally unaware of his greatness. It was an old man with failing sight who penned these lines which for me contain the surest revelations and the most moving of last men’s eyes:

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When Truth shines out words fail and nothing tell;
Now hear the Voice within your hearts. Farewell.



It was of that serene vision of Truth that al-Hallaj, the great Muslim mystic, spoke shortly before his crucifixion in 922:

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Now stands no more between the Truth and me
Or reasoned demonstration,
Or proof or revelation;
Now, brightly blazing full, Truth’s luminary,
That drives out of sight
Each flickering, lesser light.



“What is Truth?” asked jesting Pilate of the Man whom he would presently give on a like Cross, the Man who said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.” I have said earlier that as a young man, having abandoned formal worship, I resolved to become an academic scholar, abstract truth being the only altar before which I would kneel. In those days I supposed truth to be a thing intellectually attainable, a quest for reason, far removed from the emotions. But the mystical affinity of truth with light was evidently already apprehended by Sir William Jones, that greatest of British orientalists who died in 1794 and whose example has always been my chief inspiration. Jones wrote:

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Before thy mystic altar, heavenly Truth,
I kneel in manhood, as I knelt in youth.
There let me kneel, till this dull form decay,
And life’s last shade be brightened by thy day;
Then shall my soul, now lost in clouds below,
Without consuming glow.



Truth, then, is Light--a light that shines into the heart. And what is light? The answer seems to be given in that sublime verse of the Koran:

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God is the light of the heavens and the earth;
the likeness of His Light is as a niche
wherein is a lamp
(the lamp in a glass,
the glass as it were a glittering star)
kindled by a Blessed Tree,
an olive that is neither of the East nor of the West
whose oil well-nigh would shine, even if no fire touched it.
Light upon Light,
God guides to His Light whom He will.



Once this light has shone into the heart, no darkness can ever overcome it. I believe that light to be a reality, because I have myself experienced it. I believe it also to be the Truth, and I think it not inappropriate to call it God. I am an academic scholar, but I have come to realize that pure reason is unqualified to penetrate the mystery of God’s light, and may, indeed, if too fondly indulged, interpose an impenetrable veil between the heart and God. The world in which we live is certainly full of shadows. I have had my full share of personal sorrows and anxieties, and I am as acutely aware as the next man of the appalling dangers threatening mankind. But because I have experienced the Divine Light, I need not wish for any higher grace.
I have now for some years resumed my Christian worship, in which I find great comfort, being no longer troubled by the intellectual doubts generated by too great a concern for dogma. I know that Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Parsi--all sorts and conditions of men--have been, are and will always be irradiated by that Light “kindled by a Blessed Tree, an olive that is neither of the East nor of the West”--the universal tree of the Truth and Goodness of God. For God, being the One Universal, has an infinite solicitude and love of each particular, and suffers His Light to shine into every human heart open to receive it.



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    #28648584 - 02/06/24 07:48 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

The pure reason addressed in my impression, implied in Acim, as beyond verbal discourse, taken from that meaning to my appeal, true reason being beyond conceptual exercise, but in the ways of abiding.

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    #28648589 - 02/06/24 07:50 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Re: Practicing spiritual "magic" [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28648599 - 02/06/24 07:55 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

It would be the same as true reason being appreciation only, in right perception, "That drives out of sight Each flickering, lesser light."

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