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Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification 1
#28646322 - 02/04/24 11:50 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: loladoreen]
#28646409 - 02/04/24 01:21 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Well hello. I have comments about this.
While you can grind the seeds and have a more consistent powder. The fine fibers tend to settle to the bottom. Making an inconsistent batch of powder. I found that leaving the seeds intact, and then simply putting them into into pill capsules and swallowing them in tact. Works much more consistently to have an even amount of the alkaloids.
I would suggest taking 2 to 3 g of these seeds in pill capsule form. While grinding is something you could do to extract it. It is not necessary for this process.
What you are looking for is called Syrian Rue seeds. There are other ones that you could use to accomplish the same thing like caapi. This is the strongest one. Now you could go with the pre-extracted route. In that case, you would be looking for pure Harmine or pure harmaline.
The most important thing to always remember is
To avoid medications when mixed with these compounds.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (02/04/24 03:17 PM)
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Yes they are called Harmala as well.
You can definitely grind them and this will help with absorption. It might make them easier on your stomach as well. I always grind or chew my seeds.
You can grind them and make a tea by steeping for 5 minutes in boiled water.
There is no need to pack them into pills like GC said. Just adding an extra step for no reason imo.
Also, you do not have to adhere to any diet with Syrian Rue/Harmala seeds like GC claims. It is completely unnecessary for these compounds which fall into RIMA category (Reversible inhibitors of monoamine A).
I eat these all the time without any kind of change to my diet. The only thing I avoid is too much caffeine and other stimulants.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Bardy]
#28646483 - 02/04/24 02:08 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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edit: you do not need to adhere to a diet. But medication must be carefully examined before consumption of RIMA
Uppers downers caffeine that can kill you. Do not take any SSRI.
Those seeds produce a ton of nausea. Just chewing them up and getting that taste in your mouth. Sounds incredibly unpleasant. And putting them into a pill and then eating them. Versus grinding them up and then eating them. Is the same amount of steps. Making it into a tea is another step.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (02/04/24 03:17 PM)
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GenesisCorrupted said: That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Uppers downers caffeine that can kill you. You need to follow the diet. Medication definitely fall under that umbrella. Do not take any SSRI.
Those seeds produce a ton of nausea. Just chewing them up and getting that taste in your mouth. Sounds incredibly unpleasant. And putting them into a pill and then eating them. Versus grinding them up and then eating them. Is the same amount of steps. Making it into a tea is another step. That was kind of dangerous advice you just gave.
Creates nausea??? I suffer so much from that already. Might not be a suitable choice for me then. How much is required to be taken to get a result? Can I reduce rue dose to reduce nausea?
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: loladoreen]
#28646508 - 02/04/24 02:32 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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On its own MAOI produces some nausea. When combined with DMT. The nausea is overwhelming. This is why in my recipe marijuana is a required ingredient. If you don’t have some on the come up. You are going to vomit.
If you are only using RIMA, you might not need to use a vaporizing pen. But I know for a fact, it does produce nausea. Because the fourth time that I tried to just eat the seeds. Just the smell alone made me feel nausea.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28646510 - 02/04/24 02:34 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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No, your 2 weeks before and after diet is simply nonsense. They are RIMAs. Even avoiding caffeine is a personal choice due to personal sensitivity, not a safety necessity.
One should carefully research any medications or other drugs though before taking them in combination. Things like mdma, amphetamines, SSRIs and other substances that increase serotonin levels are usually contraindicated.
Whether or not they cause nausea is also personal, like with mushrooms. They don't cause me nausea.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Northerner] 2
#28646556 - 02/04/24 03:11 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Personally i've found Rue on it's own or Rue with mushrooms to not cause much if any nausea/vomiting (unless you go high on the Rue dosage). Rue with DMT however will definitely cause some vomiting.
If you want a lesser purgative Harmala, try Harmine, it can still cause nausea/vomiting in higher dosages but it's less of a purgative than Harmaline and has a lighter bodyload. You can also add 3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea to the Rue to clean up it's bodyload.
One can also either take Rue regularly (a few times a week or daily) to get the body used to the Rue and the side-effects including nausea/vomiting will go away on their own, or you can use 8 to 10 drops of pure Limonene oil with the Rue, or say 8 to 10 drops of Lemon Essential Oil, to counteract the nausea/vomiting.
You don't have to adhere to any dietary stuff, as the Harmalas in Rue are reversible and do not interact with dietary foods, even Tyramine-containing foods. However, drug to drug interactions should be kept in mind, so no SSRI's/SNRI's, no MDMA, or DXM, or anything that can raise Serotonin levels by way of Serotonin reuptake inhibition, outside of that though there's really not much else in the way of serious drug to drug interactions, although Harmalas do potently inhibit CYP2D6 and CYP1A2 at the least, and as such can potentiate substances metabolized by those enzymes, so like Diphenhydramine for CYP2D6, or Caffeine for CYP1A2, but if you take the CYP substrate sometime before or after 10 hours into the Rue, CYP won't be inhibited and the usual amount of the CYP substrate will absorb just fine, but if taken during the active CYP inhibition the dosage of the CYP substrate should be reduced by half, possibly down to a quarter.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Sabnock] 3
#28646560 - 02/04/24 03:16 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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You can also use 1 to 3 grams of the Rue for no nausea/vomiting, 4 grams is likely to cause some nausea/vomiting. You can even use 1 to 2 grams to orally activate DMT or potentiate mushrooms, even though it's a low dose of Rue but ime it still gets the job done. Just remember if you want to take oral DMT or potentiate mushrooms you will want to take the Rue 30 minutes before eating mushrooms or taking mushroom powder capsules, or an hour before drinking mushroom tea or a DMT-containing plant tea, as they rely on MAO-A inhibition for the activation (DMT) or potentiation (Psilocin).
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Sabnock]
#28646569 - 02/04/24 03:26 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I’ve never had any nausea from eating the seeds, even up to 3 grams. Not everyone gets it.
And filling capsules is a much bigger PITA than just crushing and making tea
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Bardy]
#28646575 - 02/04/24 03:30 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I don’t know why it worked. But I tried doing your method. Just the smell alone made me feel bad. I started putting them in a pill capsules, and that didn’t happen anymore.
 Might just be me I don’t know. It wasn’t that difficult to put them into the pills. They’re pretty sizable little seeds. Three 000 pills is about right. Upper 2 1/2 maybe 3 g range. I will now recuse myself from this conversation. Because I accidentally broke one of my own rules and put out misinformation.
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There’s still lots of outdated info about it getting around, easy to mix up.
But yeah, I’d say if the smell makes you nauseous it’s probably more of a psychological thing for you now. You’ve formed an association based on the nausea you’ve encountered in the past while combining Rue and DMT, and now whenever you smell it you feel the nausea again. It’s not the seeds causing that nausea though. You’d need to eat them for them to have an effect.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Bardy]
#28646622 - 02/04/24 04:21 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Easy Acid Base extraction. The HCl crystals eat easily. Bitter taste.
I bid that direction.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: WhoManBeing]
#28646673 - 02/04/24 05:50 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: Easy Acid Base extraction. The HCl crystals eat easily. Bitter taste.
I bid that direction.
There are teks literally with vinegar and salt to crash out the poorly soluble harmala HCl salts that look not just simple but fun.
If you have a mix of harmaline and harmine, perhaps some THH too, you are way less likely to get excessive nausea frem that.
Moreover, you leave behind unnecessary non-harmala alkaloids present in rue seeds but not caapi vines.
Nop doubt the teks are in the chem forum or elsewhere.
If you have an alkaloids salts powder batch you an calibrate how much does it for you, and it will do so every time.
Jonathan Ott showed that you can even make "ayahuasca capsules" from harmaloids + DMT in one capsule.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Asante] 1
#28646681 - 02/04/24 06:02 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I wrote some notes on the extraction before.
Less messy and time consuming than the original Tek.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I don’t know why it worked. But I tried doing your method. Just the smell alone made me feel bad. I started putting them in a pill capsules, and that didn’t happen anymore.
 Might just be me I don’t know. It wasn’t that difficult to put them into the pills. They’re pretty sizable little seeds. Three 000 pills is about right. Upper 2 1/2 maybe 3 g range. I will now recuse myself from this conversation. Because I accidentally broke one of my own rules and put out misinformation.
I do the same with shrooms... the smell makes me sick. It is sooo bad. Different bodies, different reactions. I dont smoke weed or will be smoking weed so that is not an option for me to deter nausea.
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: Bardy]
#28647393 - 02/05/24 09:20 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Bardy said: There’s still lots of outdated info about it getting around, easy to mix up.
But yeah, I’d say if the smell makes you nauseous it’s probably more of a psychological thing for you now. You’ve formed an association based on the nausea you’ve encountered in the past while combining Rue and DMT, and now whenever you smell it you feel the nausea again. It’s not the seeds causing that nausea though. You’d need to eat them for them to have an effect.
That is how I am with shrooms....
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: loladoreen]
#28647440 - 02/05/24 10:20 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Do I want seeds or loose leaf?
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: loladoreen]
#28647553 - 02/05/24 11:57 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Re: Harmala Alkaloids/ Syrian Rue clarification [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28647851 - 02/05/24 04:25 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Nothing says harm reduction like converting a pound of syrian rue seeds into almost an ounce of harmine/harmaline alkaloids, leaving the quinazoline alkaloids and other unwanted things behind and enabling you to overcome seeds strength issues,
Good writeup.
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