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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
    #28645266 - 02/03/24 01:49 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Grains straight outside can work really well, but sometimes it doesn’t work, need the right balance of temp and moisture, which is pretty wide. If it’s too wet they’ll drown,
Too warm they’ll contam, but when it’s right they take off and colonize really well.
What Tweeq said is pretty fool proof.

Here’s a couple patches I started with grain going right outside this fall and winter



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 3
    #28645312 - 02/03/24 02:30 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Dang, that is really cool Land Trout.

Thanks guys.  I will keep digesting y’all’s suggestions and act accordingly.  Gotta say, I’m pumped to explore this avenue of cultivation

Shout out to NC for the heads up on this thread.  It seems really active (no pun intended)

I’ll keep y’all posted as this plays out.  I might :pm: some of you about prints if this vendor’s spores don’t work out.  It’s coming from one of the OG vendors so I have high hopes :smile:

I take it y’all in the PNW and other woodlover-friendly climates typically get the spawning and stuff started this time of the year?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb] * 1
    #28645328 - 02/03/24 02:44 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

We do it all year long baby.  Right now (whenever) is always the right time to streak a plate, go to grain, spawn to chips, or make a bed.

I think I still have azzie and cyan prints floating around, so HMU if vendor spores don't perform how you wanted.

I guess I need to go dig through my spore collection now!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28645333 - 02/03/24 02:49 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Trout has some "in a van down by the river"
:wooyeah: that's fucking hydroponic patch awesome 👌


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 4
    #28645334 - 02/03/24 02:49 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Here's a point I think about a lot.

We all know grains to a patch of old moldy wood chips can work. However we also know that grains to sterile wood chips and then to untreated/outside  almost always works. Because of this alone I feel like we should always advise new people who want to get into woodlovers to go about it the way that ensures the highest chances of success, like we do with cubes. Also the wl growing process takes up almost a whole year or at least much longer than cubes so I feel it's extra important here.

For me it's a no brainer, like UB-tek vs. Agar. The first might grow you some shrooms but the latter brings you so much more.

In other words, I think we need to promote best practice and noob friendly ways over 'just throw some spawn in some wood chips and wait and see'.
When we have a method that gives fruits the same year, just about every time.

You guys see what I mean or am I just rambling here?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
    #28645417 - 02/03/24 04:18 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Tweeq, not everyone has the resources (flow hood) to inoculate sterile bags with chips. For most new growers it's especially impractical to advise using sterile chips.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28645445 - 02/03/24 04:55 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Jake, let’s not be a know it all mansplainer.




I'm a condescending Gen X asshole, there's no need to misandricly attribute gender to it. :wink:

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We all know the standard practice and how well it works, but that narrow mindedness is gross and other people are in different positions.




I wasn't talking about people with the experience to deviate from standard procedures. I'm literally watching other members who are relatively new to group who are commenting about trying bypass the standard procedures without getting them figured out first. You may find that "narrow minded", or "gross", but the great thing about diversity of thought is that everyone gets their own opinion that does not need to be validated by others. I do not believe that encouraging inexperienced cultivators to deviate from SOP is a proper way to mentor others. That doesn't make it gross, it just means I have a different opinion. An opinion that also happens to be the industry standard, and is how I was taught to perfect my spawn production during my commercial certification.


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There’s a lot of paths to growing these and different paths may be the best path for different people in their position in their life.




There sure are a LOT of ways, never stated any different. There are also "best practices" for lab work regardless of personal positions.


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Look at rhizoRider pulling off some of the most beautiful azzies there are in a climate that even the mycologists who’ve described would be enlightened that they could thrive in, and when’s the last time they’ve touched a kernel of grain?




Last I checked Rhizo's not a noob, so as stated above I wasn't talking about experienced cultivators experimenting. Of course what Rhizo is doing is awesome. I have to ask though, when you asked about "the last time they've touched grain", were you referring to Rhizo, the Azzies, or the mycologists? If you're referring to Rhizo, :shrug:. If you're referring to the mycologists, probably never unless they work for a spawn production company.

But if you're referring to the Azzies, I can ask the same thing about when was they last time they naturally touched agar, or LC, or naturally grew inside plastic dishes, glass jars, or plastic bags. Without knowing what exactly you were referring to I can't really answer the question of when Rhizo's Azzies last touched grain because I'm not Rhizo.


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I’ve got a lot going on with a home and family, and I try different stuff because that’s what keeps my attention and the resource I have to work with. If yields and efficiency were my only focus to get a dopamine trigger I could find a more efficient path than growing woodlovers all together.




I hope the things you have going on are more good than bad. And I totally understand experimenting to keep yourself interested. I don't see how my comments about LC/LI had anything to do with yield, but of COURSE I'm going to be obsessed with efficiency due to my flavor of Asperger's. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post that I was commenting more specifically about noobs trying to skip steps before they've even learned what steps they can skip, but that doesn't give you the right to insult me by accusing me of mansplaining and calling my opinion narrowminded and gross. I didn't say one single thing that was false or bad advice for cultivation, and there was no need for you to make shit personal.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 4
    #28645446 - 02/03/24 04:55 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I don't have a flow hood either :smile:

But even if one would go grain to steriled chips in open air I bet their results would be dramatically better than if they used untreated wood chips.

I use a simple hack for bags in a sab, which comes down to placing your sab over the sink in order to gain more working height. This may not work for everyone bt it certainly has for me. Also, I use bags for this step but I could also imagine one using tubs or other containers.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
    #28645447 - 02/03/24 05:01 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Whatever.  I could spend two weeks demolishing and removing a condemned house... or I could strike a match.




You could also catch an entire forest on fire, or burn down your neighbors' houses, or get arrested for felony arson all trying to save yourself a mere two weeks of work. Like I said, trade-offs. :wink:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28645451 - 02/03/24 05:07 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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As the great American economist Thomas Sowell often says, "There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs." You cannot remove steps to speed up time without trading off something else, and most of the time you'll spend more time trying to save time than you would've just not trying to save time in the first place.





Whatever.  I could spend two weeks demolishing and removing a condemned house... or I could strike a match.



Hiring hookers is cheaper than having a marriage also.




And way less stressful! :lmafo:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28645453 - 02/03/24 05:09 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Yes no pasteurization of the wood is required. I noticed much more dense fruits where I mixed colonized grains VS colonized woodchips in the planting beds.



This is what leaned me to going straight grain to chip beds. It’s from liloleme’s grow in my sig. only reason I recommend it is because my experience matches theirs and others. And I wish I would have incorporated the practice earlier but I was just doing what I read instead of paying attention to the fungi.
I also got some of my densest fruiting where I did nothing but lay out chips near a patch and it got invaded by cyanescens🤣🤣🤣 but I don’t get as consistent results by doing that😂.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tunga]
    #28645461 - 02/03/24 05:15 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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My first post here! I am a beginner mushroom grower - grown cannabis for 20 years but just recently introduced to mushrooms by a friend of a friend...so much fun! I did a couple golden teacher grows that went well. Living in the PNW I figured why not try some azurescens.

By my 3rd agar passage I finally got it clean:


Experimented with some rye berries/saw dust/wood chips combos, and found that rye berries + alder wood chips made for good grain spawn:






Moved grain/chip spawn to some small tubs with alder wood chips (soaked overnight and sterilized with pressure cooker):


Then moved these small tubs to a bigger tub with more alder wood chips:




Hope is to keep expanding indoors next 2 months, then make outdoor bed early April as we move into spring here in coastal OR region.

Any suggestions or better strategies are most welcome. Thank you all for this wonderful forum - I have learned so much just reading this thread. :smile:




Looks great man, welcome to the group.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28645463 - 02/03/24 05:19 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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As the great American economist Thomas Sowell often says, "There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs." You cannot remove steps to speed up time without trading off something else, and most of the time you'll spend more time trying to save time than you would've just not trying to save time in the first place.





Whatever.  I could spend two weeks demolishing and removing a condemned house... or I could strike a match.



Hiring hookers is cheaper than having a marriage also.




And way less stressful! :lmafo:



Hahahaha, for real sometime, but she fits into such a sweet place in me and makes my life soooo much richer than I could’ve ever imagined it being.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 1
    #28645480 - 02/03/24 05:32 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Yes no pasteurization of the wood is required. I noticed much more dense fruits where I mixed colonized grains VS colonized woodchips in the planting beds.



This is what leaned me to going straight grain to chip beds. It’s from liloleme’s grow in my sig. only reason I recommend it is because my experience matches theirs and others. And I wish I would have incorporated the practice earlier but I was just doing what I read instead of paying attention to the fungi.



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Trout has some "in a van down by the river"
:wooyeah: that's fucking hydroponic patch awesome 👌



I’ve got an ovoid patch thats underwater right there, I wish I could send the video of it, photos don’t show it well. But it’s there to wash out colonized chip to get these introduced downstream, not for me, for our great grandchildren. I had some large fir rounds sitting on there that I hope are jammed up in a log jam down river somewhere. I’ve found some of the bits and chips they’ve been washed down alive and attaching into the natural debris but no fruits yet. This is about as close as I get to tithing.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb] * 2
    #28645482 - 02/03/24 05:34 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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I take it y’all in the PNW and other woodlover-friendly climates typically get the spawning and stuff started this time of the year?




I tend to start spawn Dec-Feb, depending on how large of beds I plan on making that year. I like to go with a heavy spawn rate, so getting started early enough helps. Especially if going from spore.


As to cultivating WL's there's not much to add to what Tweeq and LT have said already. Although it's fallen out of fashion, I still like sawdust as an intermediary spawn option, and even direct spawning for outdoor beds. I don't have the issues with it that others do, maybe that's a geographic thing. :shrug:

As to whether LC is more reliable, I don't think so. You go back to the previous page if you want my full opinion on it. As to write-ups on how to grow WL's, this really is the best place to find that stuff. Although the best nuggets are scattered and require some digging. I personally wouldn't worry about trying to sector out myc on agar the first year, I think starting off with MS culture is the best way to find a genetic line that fruits best for your location and conditions. Then clone the best fruiting clusters to start new beds with the next year.

Other than that, patience is key.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28645498 - 02/03/24 05:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Whatever.  I could spend two weeks demolishing and removing a condemned house... or I could strike a match.




You could also catch an entire forest on fire, or burn down your neighbors' houses, or get arrested for felony arson all trying to save yourself a mere two weeks of work. Like I said, trade-offs. :wink:




Well, I didn't.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28645540 - 02/03/24 06:28 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: sleepydave] * 6
    #28645584 - 02/03/24 07:07 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Back to WL pics
This one matured into .....



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28646197 - 02/04/24 09:49 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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I’m tempted to suggest you put them outside asap vs colonizing indoors and waiting, im in the valley so they get a lot more abuse from the weather here and they do just fine through the freezes downpours and drying out. I feel the sooner they get in their home the better, but at the same time it looks like your doing great with what your doing already.




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I'm of the same opinion.  I find the shorter time they spend in my care inside the better.  All of my spawn making happens outside in very non-sterile conditions, often in the winter. 

However, like trout said, you're doing great right now.  It ain't broke, so no fix?




Thank you both for your suggestions! Good ideas. I will speed up my plans to get them outside then. Have to make a small bed in the back yard - was thinking 2 x 4 ft, and 4 inches deep. I have a spot in mind that's reasonably shaded under some small trees that I thought might work well.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28646267 - 02/04/24 10:49 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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My first post here! I am a beginner mushroom grower - grown cannabis for 20 years but just recently introduced to mushrooms by a friend of a friend...so much fun! I did a couple golden teacher grows that went well. Living in the PNW I figured why not try some azurescens.

By my 3rd agar passage I finally got it clean:


Experimented with some rye berries/saw dust/wood chips combos, and found that rye berries + alder wood chips made for good grain spawn:






Moved grain/chip spawn to some small tubs with alder wood chips (soaked overnight and sterilized with pressure cooker):


Then moved these small tubs to a bigger tub with more alder wood chips:




Hope is to keep expanding indoors next 2 months, then make outdoor bed early April as we move into spring here in coastal OR region.

Any suggestions or better strategies are most welcome. Thank you all for this wonderful forum - I have learned so much just reading this thread. :smile:




Looks great man, welcome to the group.




Thank you! I appreciate all the advice you and others have provided here. Don't know how my azzie experiment will work out but it's been fun. Now onto the next step - getting them a home outside.

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