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Wet & dry zone surface
    #28641101 - 01/30/24 08:16 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Like many others, I'm sure, running the clear lids so I can shine a flashlight thru and inspect the surface. What I'm noticing is during the colonization of the substrate phase, the center of the cake has tiny water droplets on the surface while the corners of the tub containing healthy heaping mounds of mycelium do not have water droplets on the surface? The corners appear dry on top but the mycelium is bright white and prominent. Makes me want to crack the lid and mist the corners ever so lightly while it's still colonizing the poo. Confused, scared, anxious, and inexperienced :confused:

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28641107 - 01/30/24 08:24 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Well you can either leave it alone and see if it eventually forms moisture, or you can lightly mist it. A light mist won’t hurt.


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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28641129 - 01/30/24 08:44 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Thank you Smellyhobbit, I was misting the walls during colonization because they were dry. Eventually only to find when I would crack the lid it would let warm moist air out as a blast in the face. Knowing it was humid in there I backed off misting. At about day 18 since mixing with spawn, the cake is about 80% colonized at the surface and I think 🤔 it's about time to let the surface to be air misted and not the walls.
  What confuses me is the statement "dialed in". What exactly does dialed in constitute? Never opening the lid and the cake remains wet with favorable surface droplets?
  The biggest quandary is why in the heck are the corners of the tub a desert but the middle of the cake a place I could do cannonballs and backflips onto?
  I elected to turn off the ceiling fan for a bit to see if that helps bring the Mohave desert corners more like a tropical climate.

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm] * 1
    #28641158 - 01/30/24 09:29 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Yeah that’s what dialed in is. As set and forget with optimum conditions as possible.

If your tub isn’t fully colonized, then my advice is to actually wait. I never even get droplets on my surface until 100% colonization, then it happens on its own.

If a day after full colonization you still have problems mist that bad boy.


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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28641171 - 01/30/24 09:40 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Outstanding, I don't like cracking that lid before it's a full rectangle of white. Im with you on that, and thank you again, just let it finish doing it's colonization schedule then tilt that lid and mist for some added surface moisture. Thinking about what you said, it's not the pinning process right now so the water beads are not necessary at this juncture. If I could just get the "dialed in" portion, I would be happy. Trying to find a balance to the amount and size of holes in the sides of tub.
Even thou it's across the room, I turned the space heater away from the line of sight to the tub, perhaps the airflow is making things dry too.

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28641210 - 01/30/24 10:49 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Naw man! I got it all wrong! The punch out holes are no good, the diameter and amount of holes is not nearly important as the location. It's all about the location, location, location. Ok cool this tub is all wrong, no problem, the next one I'll fix. Extremely irritated and bothered by not being "dialed in". It's actually really simple physics in air temp difference that creates the passive flow, while maintaining moisture. It's all about the gases man, it's all about the weight of the opposing gases. I'm slapping my forehead now. Why have I got to be so damn blind minded and absolutely arrogant sometimes is beyond me. I am learning to appreciate the humbling that comes with learning.  Fuckin a man, right on.

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28641605 - 01/31/24 08:53 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Ok after a good night's rest and coming down from sheer mania, does the small gap between the lid and tub at the lip not provide enough space for passive gas discharge? Thinking as I type, if one considers the area the hole punch out creates for fresh cool air in comparison to the area of the lid gap, it's not comparable and the exhaust valve is not opening all the way on that Chevy small block. Requires porting of the exhaust port and chamber. Yes yes?

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm] * 1
    #28641607 - 01/31/24 08:54 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I just have the lids on my showbox snapped shut and it is enough. If a lizard wouldn’t suffocate in the box then it’s good enough for cubes


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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28641637 - 01/31/24 09:25 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Understood, but let me challenge you with this... wouldn't those lizards be happier in a environment that was richer with O² with more dirty air leaving the living space thru ports at the top? I'm thinking its like the difference of Oxygen levels between Denver Colorado and a place at sea level. I was going to use LA but that place is full of CO² from all the cars. I comprehend the lid on loose theory, perhaps more passive but is it creating enough air circulation? I'm just obsessed with the whole "dialed in" reference. Thank you for the reply too

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28641645 - 01/31/24 09:28 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

So here’s the dance.

More FAE means more moisture is escaping. There is a point where more air is detrimental. That’s what you’re dialing in. Cubes need to breathe, but they don’t need all the air in the room. They just need to not suffocate.

You don’t want your tub to dry out. Moisture is important. Your fruits are 90-92% water. Retaining water without water logging it and exchanging air without drying out is the game


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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28641651 - 01/31/24 09:32 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Right, I always end up with fuzzy bottoms, fae and excessive moisture. The dance part is reaffirming and makes me visualize the principle.

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm]
    #28645857 - 02/03/24 11:45 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

I think I may understand why dry corners and wet inners in relation to surface moisture exist. Im pontificating, I do that a lot here, for which I must apologize. It's a defense mechanism for lacking knowledge and experience. Anyways I'm pontificating that the holes on each side are number 1 too big, and number 2, too close together. So the long wall and the short wall of the tub have holes that meet towards the corner too closely in respect to each side. Basically each corner has to much hole area and air flow that the cake can't hold moisture there, and thus dry out. Not good, but have a good idea as to how to fix that with the next tub. Less holes and set the punch outs farther apart.
Thank you, I'm glad you all are helping me, the therapist says I need a hobby, and this does help, but I would of quit by now if I didn't get some great advice from the nice folks here at this forum. Grandma says I'm like the character in the movie "The Mule" with Clint Eastwood who belongs to a community where everyone tries to grow the best flower. Looking at alot of the flowers cultivated here by others, I don't believe thats the case, I couldn't even get close.

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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm] * 1
    #28650120 - 02/07/24 09:56 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

More than I thought. Nice! Far plate on left is the blob plate. Alot of these are early but I wanted a clean slate when going to the drowning pool. Grandmas work bench works great, nice and cool in the basement, no direct sunlight. She's got a guy who builds custom Halloween animatronics in the season on that bench. Kids show up in golf carts and tractor drawn hay bale trailers for Halloween. I stood outside with a 2 stroke chainsaw (chain removed), a mask and coveralls. Oh man was it a blast. I was going to tissue sample a fatty but no plates, maybe after the flush I can grab one.  I'm not taking the time to weigh this down while in the bathtub, just a floater.




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Re: Wet & dry zone surface [Re: Funfarm] * 1
    #28650123 - 02/07/24 09:58 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Nice work!

Looks like you got quite a bit out of it. Do you have agar supplies? Clones definitely have a lot of potential to unlock awesome grows 👍


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    #28650268 - 02/07/24 11:34 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

No local plates avail until next week. Shop keep said if I really wanted to I could put a fresh pick in a ziplock in the fridge and it will keep a couple days and will actually be better tissue to grab as some of the water leeches in the fridge. I passed, Ill grab a second flush fruit and run to the hills of AGAR! Thanks btw, and it was obnoxious picking the shrooms, odor of fresh fruit was overwhelming. Good problems

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