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Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs
    #28644319 - 02/02/24 05:31 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/overdose/decriminalization

Didn't know about this(not every drug legal like the video says)


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 4
    #28644352 - 02/02/24 05:59 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

And now the downtown Eastside looks like Kensington in Philly. The results have not been overly positive. Zombies everywhere, no repercussions for openly using and being fucked up on fentanyl, but no increased help or resources. Crime will rise, and this experiment will end.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28644371 - 02/02/24 06:10 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

There would obviously be downsides to it like you said people nodding out everywhere but most people probably don't know about the law therefore not changing much.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #28644423 - 02/02/24 06:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

It's been bad there since the 80s, but reports are it's getting much worse. They know the laws, it's just being flaunted openly now.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28644431 - 02/02/24 06:56 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I see....


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #28644434 - 02/02/24 06:59 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Don't get me wrong I'm all for decriminalization, but there needs to be other things in place to try to help the people. These skid rows in cities are just zombie lands now people sleeping standing up hunched over it's fucked.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28644437 - 02/02/24 07:03 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Yeah it's good not putting people in jail for drugs.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #28644449 - 02/02/24 07:17 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Tour of my neighborhood. Vancouver Islands worst. I thought buddy filming was gonna get beat up at first. Wouldn't catch me over there pointing a camera at everyone. :grin: They have security guards at the McDonald's there and one got bear sprayed the other day when I was there. It's been like this for decades but the homeless population is bigger than ever. We have the first in BC safe inhalation station there and a safe injection site.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Mystikal]
    #28644466 - 02/02/24 07:28 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

We got homeless all over the place here on Oahu too I'm sure the other islands here are the same.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus] * 1
    #28644483 - 02/02/24 07:48 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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And now the downtown Eastside looks like Kensington in Philly. The results have not been overly positive. Zombies everywhere, no repercussions for openly using and being fucked up on fentanyl, but no increased help or resources. Crime will rise, and this experiment will end.



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Don't get me wrong I'm all for decriminalization, but there needs to be other things in place to try to help the people. These skid rows in cities are just zombie lands now people sleeping standing up hunched over it's fucked.






So sad too because the nuance of your second point gets lost in the knee-jerk 'tough on crime' reaction that seems to naturally occur after failed experiments like this. Drug addiction is a health issue that needs to be treated like one, but I agree that decriminalizing drugs and taking harm reduction measures like safe injection sites seem like incomplete solutions that can make things worse rather than better without other measures.

That said, I've lived in Philly and it doesn't really matter whether drugs are decriminalized and safe needle sites exist or not. Places like Kensington are gonna Kensington - they are a reflection of some of our deepest and most systemic issues in society and unfortunately things are an utter mess right now.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #28644499 - 02/02/24 08:01 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)



I like this guy in Vancouver BC. Dana Larson. He is an advocate for total legalization and runs dispensaries and a drug checking service. He mailed mushrooms and coca leaves to every member of parliament.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: pirate-blues]
    #28644529 - 02/02/24 08:18 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Good points for sure. And honestly I don't know the solution, or if there is one that is at all feasible or realistic.

It's interesting because there's a documentary from the 90s called Through a Blue Lens. It's about a few compassionate cops in the downtown Eastside Vancouver neighborhood talking to the skid row addicts, getting to know them, trying to help, etc. It looked pretty grim back then, but now it just looks like a zombie apocalypse. As the drugs get worse, so do the conditions and the surroundings. The 90s heroin addicts look so quaint compared to the xylazine fueled dope fiends.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28644574 - 02/02/24 08:58 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Vancouver can kiss my balls

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Mystikal] * 1
    #28644602 - 02/02/24 09:19 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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I like this guy in Vancouver BC. Dana Larson. He is an advocate for total legalization and runs dispensaries and a drug checking service. He mailed mushrooms and coca leaves to every member of parliament.




He got rich profiteering off drugs, whilst acting like the good guy. I can't say what I want to, I'm not a snitch. There is a reason he can afford to run that drug checking service. Above and beyond the 300 dollar cactuses and overpriced microdoses.

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Things are worse since decrim, you can shoot up in a playground and the police cannot stop you. Its important to note before this was the law it was rare to get charged for possesion anyway, leaving it up to officer discretion was working just fine. They created this law and didnt make it illegal to do drugs in public. Now its everywhere you can blow fent smoke on children, legally. You have to walk thru a cloud of death just to go to the corner store.

Now there is talk of government issued cocaine and meth because those drugs are being laced with fentanyl. I think what we need is some fent blotters to go around. I can't even express how insane i think it is to legalize the shit drugs, while all the good drugs are still illegal. Everything this government is doing is turning the public against legalization because they just keep making it worse for non users.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28644607 - 02/02/24 09:21 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Rob Ford was the mayor of Toronto what does he have to do with Van?

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28644612 - 02/02/24 09:25 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Rob Ford is a personal hero of mine and the spirit of Toronto how dare u sir that has everything to do with Vancouver and metropolitan Canada wake the fuck up bud :youseethisshit:

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28644658 - 02/02/24 10:20 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Rob Ford is a personal hero of mine and the spirit of Toronto how dare u sir that has everything to do with Vancouver and metropolitan Canada wake the fuck up bud :youseethisshit:




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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: viraldrome]
    #28645002 - 02/03/24 09:22 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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I like this guy in Vancouver BC. Dana Larson. He is an advocate for total legalization and runs dispensaries and a drug checking service. He mailed mushrooms and coca leaves to every member of parliament.




He got rich profiteering off drugs, whilst acting like the good guy. I can't say what I want to, I'm not a snitch. There is a reason he can afford to run that drug checking service. Above and beyond the 300 dollar cactuses and overpriced microdoses.

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Things are worse since decrim, you can shoot up in a playground and the police cannot stop you. Its important to note before this was the law it was rare to get charged for possesion anyway, leaving it up to officer discretion was working just fine. They created this law and didnt make it illegal to do drugs in public. Now its everywhere you can blow fent smoke on children, legally. You have to walk thru a cloud of death just to go to the corner store.

Now there is talk of government issued cocaine and meth because those drugs are being laced with fentanyl. I think what we need is some fent blotters to go around. I can't even express how insane i think it is to legalize the shit drugs, while all the good drugs are still illegal. Everything this government is doing is turning the public against legalization because they just keep making it worse for non users.

The whole thing has been a huge fail. The outside of every legal shooting gallery looks like this 








In Ottawa they've been hassling mushroom dispensaries of all places - luckily they seem to be lawyering up successfully because they haven't been able to shut any down long-term despite attempts. It is so backwards.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: pirate-blues]
    #28645103 - 02/03/24 11:10 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I don't have kids but I'm pretty sure if somebody was shooting up in a kids park and I or somebody else went up and spartan kicked the shit out of them that nobody would say anything about it.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28645138 - 02/03/24 11:32 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I'd hope they're not doing it a park but I'm sure there's plenty who are.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #28645156 - 02/03/24 11:50 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I understand addiction and I'm not judging and would never do such a thing in any other setting but those are kids. Kids don't need to get pricked by a dirty needle then get aids or stds for the rest of their life. They can shoot up literally anywhere else. If I ever see anyone shooting up around kids I will do something about it.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28645161 - 02/03/24 11:52 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I wouldn't stand for it either unless they had some sort of mental health issue they know what they are doing and shouldn't be doing it.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #28645164 - 02/03/24 11:54 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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I wouldn't stand for it either unless they had some sort of mental health issue they know what they are doing and shouldn't be doing it.



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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28645321 - 02/03/24 02:41 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I had to walk with my baby through two idiots smoking darts outside the Walmart doors the other day. I put my son in the car with my wife, took the cart back and told them both to move away from the fucking door. They beaked off a bit and I put them in their place and moved. If I saw someone shooting up in a kids park I would definitely be the guy Spartan kicking them.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28645719 - 02/03/24 08:51 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Idk that guy got killed in front his family for telling that guy not to vape near his kid in Toronto or whatever by getting stabbed a bunch. Plus in places like Seattle where they already do tgis and stuff there's just so many people shooting up all over the place what are you gonna do fight the whole city?

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    #28645729 - 02/03/24 08:56 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Idk that guy got killed in front his family for telling that guy not to vape near his kid in Toronto or whatever by getting stabbed a bunch. Plus in places like Seattle where they already do tgis and stuff there's just so many people shooting up all over the place what are you gonna do fight the whole city?



That was the first mistake. You always gotta strike first. Cobra kai!

Strike first --> ask them to vape elsewhere after :ancientaliens:


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28645731 - 02/03/24 08:57 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Yea I don't tell the zombies what to do, I just leave them be. Wish they were a bit more respectful. Had one passing out and smoking something off foil right in front of my door earlier.

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Mystikal]
    #28645733 - 02/03/24 08:57 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Im so happy I live in the middle of nowhere.  I wouldn't make it in a densely populated area  (I'd end up in jail or killed eventually)💀


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #28645806 - 02/03/24 10:12 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Did they already make it legal to shoplift there too?

I bet they R.O.R. you on b and e charges too...sounds desirable for less desirables haha

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #28645872 - 02/04/24 12:18 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

You can't do anything, they have more rights than you do. It's a hate crime to beat up a junkie. And even if you did there are ten thousand more of them doing drugs everywhere. It woudnt accomplish anything. 

I fucking hate addicts, I can't even pretend on a harm reduction site anymore (sorry for whoever I'm offending). I remember when HR was pill testing at raves and i was all for it, now it's handing out free needles and meth pipes and giving teenagers opioids. Fuck all that shit.

There is all this propaganda here about how we need to end the "stigma" around drugs use, wait correct that, the stigma around hard drug use. The funny thing is when i look at all the junkies in vancouver there are never any with turbans, or Chinese. Its a direct result of the tremendous stigma those communities have against drugs, they don't do it because they don't want to bring shame on their families. This generation is lost but the next one should have serious stigma against being an addict instilled from childhood. Instead of teaching kids how to use narcan we should be teaching them that the life of a hard drug user sucks, and they don't want any part of that shit.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #28645936 - 02/04/24 03:52 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: budmanman]
    #28646174 - 02/04/24 09:16 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Just like anything there are lines. Once crossed, any rules, especially the ones created by society, go straight out the window.


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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28646297 - 02/04/24 11:20 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Amen

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Re: Vancouver canda no criminal charges for small amounts of certain drugs [Re: Rukus]
    #28647017 - 02/05/24 01:02 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

They are probably doing it everywhere.

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