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The hypothetical soul press. Can we make a soul? * 2
    #28643535 - 02/02/24 02:39 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Let’s say there was a hypothetical machine.
If you went into this machine, it could make a flawless clone of you. Down to the very last detail.

Then the clone was raised by a different family on the other side of the planet.

They both went about their lives, and then died. Having different experiences from each other. They would have unique souls.

I was theorizing, whether or not they would still be similar after they met each other in the afterlife.
Maybe they wouldn’t even be alike at all.

My friend disagreed with me. He said that the other one wouldn’t go anywhere after they died. They don’t have a soul.
Which I asked, why wouldn’t they have a soul?

Then he said that if a clone that could be made in a press. Possessed a soul all its own. That makes it not special.

I couldn’t get them to elaborate further. Only that they disagreed that the other being would have a soul at all.

I think that once something gains a level of sentience and consciousness. It has a soul.
If somebody makes an advanced enough AI. I think that could count as a soul. If it desires to exist and fears non-existence. It is alive.

What do you think?
Can created life possess a soul?
You may choose only one


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Re: The hypothetical soul press. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28643586 - 02/02/24 05:08 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Reminds of in Vasistha's Yoga dated some centuries BCE, though obviously the story itself is considered much older, spoken about are beings born in vessels, like test tubes was my impression, or sweat born, etc, if I'm not confusing the latter with other writings, but the implication is where there is life, consciousness, there is that, Brahman say, soul, jiva and Shiva.

"Jivatman is Paramatman."

About AI, I'm doubtful, yet. A machine can be made to be and express sensitivity to pain and pleasure, have hope and such. It may not be until there is made the positronic neural network. Does that mean complexity determines it? On the other hand then, nothing of the elements is life, but only spirit is, as said, that which does not last is not real.

The conclusion then, there is only life. Life and not-life are illusory, gaps in consciousness.

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