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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28643347 - 02/01/24 07:44 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I tried a lot of LC onto plain pasteurized chip, could never make it work. Even at the 'throw a whole 500ml bottle of LC at it' level, it just doesn't outrun the other things present in the wild and the left over sugar that is added with the LC just starts blooms of a million unwanted things

But yeah supplemented and sterile in a jar or bag, I imagine that works plenty well probably Trout

Keep us updated please man if you go down that road :cheers:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28643433 - 02/01/24 10:23 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Last couple of WL I've run, I added sterile chips into my agar jars then gone from there.





I love this, sounds beautiful and clean.


And I just got these small, mostly plum chips from a 3" chipper; they look much better for bags, although they're small so I might add some charcoal.

Charcoal spawn, anyone?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28643497 - 02/02/24 12:59 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

[quote][b][i]Land Trout said:[/i][/b]
I’m running a couple canners of chips with a big tablespoon full of brf and plan to pour LC onto it. Seems like it should work for skipping whole grain. Has anyone tried that?[/quote]


What's the matter LT, you tired of getting consistent results 100% of the time using tried-and-true methods?;)

For real though, I can't believe we're having the "LC-Chips" conversation again... LC is also a fad, one that is relatively useless except for cordyceps cultivation. The amount of time you gain by skipping grain is lost in the extra time it takes to colonize the solid substrate due to not being able to use large amounts of LC in jars/bags because of the excess liquid. Besides, the main advice us experienced people give to WL noobs above all else is "learn to be patient". What exactly is "being patient" about trying to shave a mere 7-10 days off of a process that takes 1-2 years to see good results?

If LC was a viable way to skip grain, it would be extensively used in commercial edible farms. Which it's not, because the risks are much higher than the rewards. Even outfits like Aloha Medicinals gave up trying to use LC to skip the grain master jar step.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 2
    #28643507 - 02/02/24 01:29 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Tonight I took three jars of sterilize water, put an Azure agar puck  in each jar, shook it up, and then inoculated 10 grain jars with it. Liquid inoculant. So now I got 28 jars of cyan and Azure(total)colonizing. :liloldme:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #28643513 - 02/02/24 01:51 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Tonight I took three jars of sterilize water, put an Azure agar puck  in each jar, shook it up, and then inoculated 10 grain jars with it. Liquid inoculant.




LI is a little bit better than LC, but I'd still make the same argument against it. Let me ask this. How many cc of LI did you inject each of your 10 grain jars with? 5? 10? Even at 10cc (which is way to wet to inject a quart of grain with) there is still more total mycelium in 4 individual colonized rye berries, or 10 colonized milo grains. At that inoculant rate I could inoculate 100+ quart grain jars off of one Master quart of grain spawn, and they'd colonize in the same amount of time as grain jars inoculated with 5cc of LI/LC. So the only amount of time gained by making LI out of a Master plate is the amount of time it would take for that same plate of agar to colonize one single quart of grain. Which is why I always inoculate a master grain jar with at least half of a 25cc plate of agar.

As someone who also went through the same "experimentation" as everyone else trying to find a way to shave a dollar off a dime, my final conclusion was "miss a beer and do shit the way that works best". Grain is cheap as fuck, and G2G works right 100% of the time as long as your lab work is tight. That's why it's the industry standard... And in 12 years I have found no convincing evidence that deviating from the industry standard of spawn production has any real benefits at all, in edible or psilly cultivation.  With the exception of cordyceps of course... But exceptions to the rule don't disprove the rule, they confirm it. :shrug:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28643521 - 02/02/24 02:19 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

As the great American economist Thomas Sowell often says, "There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs." You cannot remove steps to speed up time without trading off something else, and most of the time you'll spend more time trying to save time than you would've just not trying to save time in the first place.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28643675 - 02/02/24 07:44 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Yes

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28643933 - 02/02/24 12:35 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

1/2 of smallest size jar. Split 3 ways(grain jars over filled w/grain).  Free style,free pour. :headbang3:
I hear you. Thanks.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28643999 - 02/02/24 01:38 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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As the great American economist Thomas Sowell often says, "There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs." You cannot remove steps to speed up time without trading off something else, and most of the time you'll spend more time trying to save time than you would've just not trying to save time in the first place.





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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SingularFusion] * 3
    #28644264 - 02/02/24 04:56 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Keep us updated please man if you go down that road :cheers:



I poured into 11 supplemented bags put a plate to another, and poured into 2  unsupplemented bags just to compare, and was able to squeeze them in the canners. I did a bunch of bags with grain on the 26th also so I’ve got some stuff to compare it to. Unsupplimented worked in the past this way, it’s just super slow, but I might just sit on these till late summer anyway cause I’ve got enough knocked up with grain right now for what I’m working on this year. Last couple years I’ve been storing a few colonized bags cause summer gets crazy for us, and my favorite time to plant hands down is right before fall.
Never thought it would need to be cleared up but BRF comes from rice which is a grain.
Jake, let’s not be a know it all mansplainer. We all know the standard practice and how well it works, but that narrow mindedness is gross and other people are in different positions. There’s a lot of paths to growing these and different paths may be the best path for different people in their position in their life. Look at rhizoRider pulling off some of the most beautiful azzies there are in a climate that even the mycologists who’ve described would be enlightened that they could thrive in, and when’s the last time they’ve touched a kernel of grain? I’ve got a lot going on with a home and family, and I try different stuff because that’s what keeps my attention and the resource I have to work with. If yields and efficiency were my only focus to get a dopamine trigger I could find a more efficient path than growing woodlovers all together.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28644348 - 02/02/24 05:57 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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As the great American economist Thomas Sowell often says, "There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs." You cannot remove steps to speed up time without trading off something else, and most of the time you'll spend more time trying to save time than you would've just not trying to save time in the first place.





Whatever.  I could spend two weeks demolishing and removing a condemned house... or I could strike a match.



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 9
    #28644588 - 02/02/24 09:09 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

My first post here! I am a beginner mushroom grower - grown cannabis for 20 years but just recently introduced to mushrooms by a friend of a friend...so much fun! I did a couple golden teacher grows that went well. Living in the PNW I figured why not try some azurescens.

By my 3rd agar passage I finally got it clean:


Experimented with some rye berries/saw dust/wood chips combos, and found that rye berries + alder wood chips made for good grain spawn:






Moved grain/chip spawn to some small tubs with alder wood chips (soaked overnight and sterilized with pressure cooker):


Then moved these small tubs to a bigger tub with more alder wood chips:




Hope is to keep expanding indoors next 2 months, then make outdoor bed early April as we move into spring here in coastal OR region.

Any suggestions or better strategies are most welcome. Thank you all for this wonderful forum - I have learned so much just reading this thread. :smile:

Edited by tunga (02/02/24 09:16 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
    #28644627 - 02/02/24 09:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Tunga

Chef's kiss. Your method is perfect!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: RescueU]
    #28644634 - 02/02/24 09:53 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Looks awesome! Your in a great place for them.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28644982 - 02/03/24 08:57 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I’m tempted to suggest you put them outside asap vs colonizing indoors and waiting, im in the valley so they get a lot more abuse from the weather here and they do just fine through the freezes downpours and drying out. I feel the sooner they get in their home the better, but at the same time it looks like your doing great with what your doing already.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28645106 - 02/03/24 11:10 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I'm of the same opinion.  I find the shorter time they spend in my care inside the better.  All of my spawn making happens outside in very non-sterile conditions, often in the winter. 

However, like trout said, you're doing great right now.  It ain't broke, so no fix?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 10
    #28645154 - 02/03/24 11:48 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Indoor WL same block of spawn

First mature fruit looked like


2nd mature fruit









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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 5
    #28645189 - 02/03/24 12:25 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Hi everyone :wave:

I just placed an order for an azurescen syringe and ps. cyanescen print and am planning on starting my first woodlovers grow.  I hope I am approaching this properly; it's been hard to dig up write ups on growing them.

I was going to clean both strains up on agar first when I get them in a week and then I guess put them in grain once clean?  It seems like that is okay to do.  I've always used Pennington WBS for cubes so I was going to just drop some azzie/cyan agar plates in WBS jars.  Or is LC much more reliable?

Once those WBS jars are colonized I will expand them into outdoor woodchip beds.  I read older wood that has been weathered a little by the elements is preferable?  I was just going to do this in my backyard and maybe a trail or two.  I just moved to the PNW so I'm hoping I am starting this adventure early enough to see mushrooms when Fall hits. 

This is so new to me because I'm used to cubensis where you just print -> agar -> WBS jar -> WBS bag -> coir/verm monotubs.  This process is a bit different and it requires me to trust nature to handle things a bit more.

Please someone let me know if I'm off track with my approach.

I look forward to reading more of everyone's posts.  Lots of brilliant minds in here :smile:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb] * 4
    #28645235 - 02/03/24 01:20 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Hi everyone :wave:

I just placed an order for an azurescen syringe and ps. cyanescen print and am planning on starting my first woodlovers grow.  I hope I am approaching this properly; it's been hard to dig up write ups on growing them.

I was going to clean both strains up on agar first when I get them in a week and then I guess put them in grain once clean?  It seems like that is okay to do.  I've always used Pennington WBS for cubes so I was going to just drop some azzie/cyan agar plates in WBS jars.  Or is LC much more reliable?

Once those WBS jars are colonized I will expand them into outdoor woodchip beds.  I read older wood that has been weathered a little by the elements is preferable?  I was just going to do this in my backyard and maybe a trail or two.  I just moved to the PNW so I'm hoping I am starting this adventure early enough to see mushrooms when Fall hits. 

This is so new to me because I'm used to cubensis where you just print -> agar -> WBS jar -> WBS bag -> coir/verm monotubs.  This process is a bit different and it requires me to trust nature to handle things a bit more.

Please someone let me know if I'm off track with my approach.

I look forward to reading more of everyone's posts.  Lots of brilliant minds in here :smile:

-comb




Welcome to the wonderful world of woodlovers!

For me the process boils down to:
-agar
-grains
-grains to sterilized wood chips (I do this in XLS-T bags)
-optionally expand colonized chips to more (untreated) wood chips*
-colonized wood chips to outdoor patch in spring

*I would recommend to do this only with a clone culture or a proven fruiting culture.

Ime fresh wood chips work just as well as older ones.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 4
    #28645253 - 02/03/24 01:34 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Also just holler if you need prints of WL.


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