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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: nooneman]
    #28640028 - 01/29/24 11:03 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

There's plenty of fat vegetarians, quite often people get stuck in high carb diets being vegetarian rather than eating actual vegetables. Not eating meat doesn't mean eating healthy.

Fresh meat is good stuff, we just don't want too much of a good thing.


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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28640043 - 01/29/24 11:56 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Id think that a smart vegetarian is likely spending less than someone who also eats meat. Though you can purchase meat for reasonable prices, which could on a scale of volume compete with a vegetarian budget. One example - costco sells those 5 pound chicken thighs (fresh), for like $15. I think there are 24, but maybe 32 thighs per unit, so break that down over multiple meals and you arent spending a lot of money, especially considering the good source of protein and versatile meat.


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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian [Re: Joh.Ke] * 1
    #28640128 - 01/30/24 04:30 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

It's cheaper spiritually and it's better for the planet. I recommend eating as little meat as possible.









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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian [Re: Learyfan] * 3
    #28640348 - 01/30/24 09:27 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Seriously, dried beans in bulk.  Lasts a long time, slow carbs, lots of protein, and fiber, which is hugely important and is neglected in the "grass fed beef is the greatest source of nutrients" reasoning.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: nooneman]
    #28640465 - 01/30/24 11:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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God I love meat, but it is probably healthier to be a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could ever do it though. It's like one of those things you know is healthy but just can't bring yourself to do. I just don't think I can give up steak, bacon, or burgers.

Is it cheaper? I honestly really doubt it. Most healthy things tend to be more expensive than unhealthy things.




I’m confused when people equate vegetables as being healthier for you than lean red meat. Grass fed beef is one of the most nutrient dense foods on earth, and whenever I eat it I get a notable boost mentally, as well as physically.



Eating more meat has actually been linked to a bunch of bad things like cancer and shorter lifespan. Ever seen a fat vegetarian?

I love meat, but just saying it's one of the many, many foods that taste good but aren't good for you. Nothing wrong with it, not judging anyone, I like it as much as the next guy and have no plans on giving it up.





You're not wrong, but I have definitely seen fat vegans. French fries, oreos, poptarts without icing - you could eat as terribly on a vegan diet as any omnivore, it'd just be more effort.


Saw some interesting twin study results that came out recently that asserted that healthy vegan diets trumped healthy omnivorous diets. It's pretty easy for me to give up meat, and I do find it cheaper for sure - but giving up cheese is not something I've seriously tried.


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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #28640478 - 01/30/24 11:27 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Mao diet.
That is the number one thing I miss.
I don’t really care about anything else. But I’ve always been a connoisseur of cheese. I like all kinds, and I particularly like the very aged crumbly ones. The ones that would kill me right now.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28640497 - 01/30/24 11:41 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Just looked it up - definitely intriguing, those are my favorite kinds of cheese too, it'd probably take nothing short of the possibility of a serious health crisis to convince me to abstain. Have you tried any vegan cheeses (I know, I know, but maybe to scratch the itch)? Are you able to ingest those on an MAOI diet, considering they often use nutritional yeast?

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian [Re: Joh.Ke] * 1
    #28640527 - 01/30/24 12:08 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #28640533 - 01/30/24 12:14 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Any fresh cheeses are fine. Goat cheese. Even the mild Mexican shredded cheese. It’s just the really aged stuff like blue Stilton. I can’t have that anymore.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28641122 - 01/30/24 08:34 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Interesting, Assante.





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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28641125 - 01/30/24 08:38 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Mao diet.
That is the number one thing I miss.
I don’t really care about anything else. But I’ve always been a connoisseur of cheese. I like all kinds, and I particularly like the very aged crumbly ones. The ones that would kill me right now.





I like cheeses in general, especially the ones with stuff added to it, like Monterey Pepper jack.

But I also enjoy the plain ones, my number one favorite is cheddar.  So simple yet so good.  With one condition, it has to be orange, otherwise it's not real cheddar!

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28641144 - 01/30/24 09:10 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

My favorite cheddar that I’ve had. I’m not sure if they still have it but there’s an aged New Zealand cheddar with caramelized onions in it that they sell at Trader Joe’s.

It’s way too good for how expensive it is.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28642736 - 02/01/24 08:57 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Trying to go more veg this week, because fatty and red meat seem to hurt bf's stomach. Starting to do a bit of meal prepping and thought I'd share some nice hearty recipes.

https://www.loveandlemons.com/banh-mi/

https://www.loveandlemons.com/best-veggie-burger-recipe/

https://avirtualvegan.com/vegan-sausage-recipe/ - homemade veg sausage

https://themodernproper.com/walnut-and-lentil-bolognese

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1022424-crispy-mushroom-tacos

https://www.skinnytaste.com/stuffed-butternut-squash (substitute meat sausage with a veg alternative)

https://dishingouthealth.com/wild-rice-mixed-mushroom-soup/

https://schoolnightvegan.com/home/vegan-turkey-roast/

https://www.skinnytaste.com/tofu-stir-fry-with-vegetables-in-a-soy-sesame-sauce/

https://www.thissavoryvegan.com/crispy-lentil-mushroom-tacos/


https://www.vegetariantimes.com/recipes/homemade-seitan/ - homemade seitan


A lot of it requires stocking up on certain essentials, but I still notice when I eat less meat it's easier on my wallet. And of course, nice simple recipes like pasta primavera, veggie stir fry, tomato soup and grilled cheese always has its place.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #28642774 - 02/01/24 09:52 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Remember that vegetarian foods are healthy, but vegetarian products are quite something else.

Processed foods beyond tofu are never good and often expensive.







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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: Asante]
    #28642902 - 02/01/24 12:50 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I can make vegetarian fare taste like something you would really like to eat and, eventually, get very full.

I like the idea of being nice to animals and possibly self-sufficient as the Dervaes family of The Freedom Project, who raised their own produce, with enough extra to sell, from 1/6 of an acre.

Though, in terms of carrying capacity, you have not solved the problem of how many vegetable calories convert to a pound of flesh.

imho, the same holds true, whether you are consuming the vegetables directly, or feeding to them to a farm animal, first.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: Asante]
    #28642941 - 02/01/24 01:19 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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What sick bastard is out there feeding a carnivore vegan cat food? That’s just sick. They’re not even supposed to eat vegetables just meat.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28642951 - 02/01/24 01:25 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I don't know offhand which aminos are "essential" to carnivorous animals (that is to say, not made inside of their body) but people do feed weight gainers to XL pit bulls.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: durian_2008]
    #28643039 - 02/01/24 02:17 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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In theory, it is possible to obtain all the essential amino acids from edible plants if the diet is properly balanced. However, it can be quite challenging to achieve a complete and balanced amino acid profile solely from plant sources...




(However, bio-availability.)

I think that harmlessness is ideal when physically possible.

And, that sadism will not produce optimal results for someone raising meat.

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28643126 - 02/01/24 03:48 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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What sick bastard is out there feeding a carnivore vegan cat food? That’s just sick. They’re not even supposed to eat vegetables just meat.






The sodium in some of that stuff is pretty horrifying. 25% of your daily need in one shot. I generally don't buy store bought meat imitation products over making them, but I will buy Field Roast occasionally.





The other thing that I think is interesting is that I see a lot of men demonize tofu and soy because they believe it lowers testosterone and raises your risk of cancer. Research shows that not only is this patently false, but it is a great high-protein food in general.

https://kansasfarmfoodconnection.org/spotlights/is-soy-safe-for-men-get-the-facts

There's more estrogen in beer than soy, too.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-most-potent-phytoestrogen-is-in-beer/

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Re: Is it cheaper to be a vegetarian (change and save) [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #28643145 - 02/01/24 04:04 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Yeah, that’s just classic propaganda. They think that because there is a type of estrogen produced in plants. That automatically means it’s the exact same type as the one produced in human beings that makes women.

Despite being a completely different type of chemical, that does not happen or get interacted with in the human body.

It’s the equivalent of saying we need to eliminate all bees, because I was stung by a bumblebee.

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