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Asante
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Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. 2
#28640709 - 01/30/24 02:42 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Fentanyl on the black market is spreading over the world, even in Africa its showing up as a drug of abuse.
Cartels are increasingly doing their own manufacturing.
In the international chemical trade i saw so many advanced precursors for not just fentanyl but specific analogs.
Remember that potency, a gram of 3-MF for instance being equal to 3.2kg morphine. So, a household freezer with 25kg of the stuff represents 80 tons of morphine and beause its stored at -20'c, that stuff will remain potent for decades.
So, not just are precursors and labs everywhere now, but in decentralized fashion, people will stash millions, colletively bilions of doses, to circulate in the decades to come.
This sht is here to stay and the problem will get much worse.
More will get addicted the world over, if they dont liquid dose more OD;s will happen.
I predicted this in 2003 but, now that its here, wow. Its so much worse. People who can't make it can now make it and others just buy the finished product on the dark web.
You can't trust bought drugs anymore.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Asante]
#28640732 - 01/30/24 03:05 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I’ve lost a bunch of clients to it. It’s certainly a run away train. But education is a powerful tool and I do think awareness of the issue is increasing bit by bit so I am hopeful the overdoses will eventually taper down, but there may be a lag before the education is pervasive enough to counteract the momentum of the drug/market/addictions.
Think about HIV/AIDS. We were terrified of it, it represented certain and horrible death. But now very treatable, mostly contained in developed nations. Every threat elicits a counter response.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28640826 - 01/30/24 04:31 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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A pic from one such site: a hand in plastic showing off a large amount of fentanyl intermediate, that can be turned into 4x its weight of fentanyl or analogues.
A proper lab would not present a product like this, its a fly-by-night chemical company making precursors for export.
Imagine Ergotamine tartrate being shown off like that to LSD chemists.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Asante] 1
#28640987 - 01/30/24 06:21 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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It used to be heroin was expensive like a habit would cost users 100s of dollars a day, this shit a child can buy with lunch money. I predict the world reacts with drug war 2.0. I dont see any other way to fight it. Too many precursors have legitimate uses. Stopping production is impossible. We could nuke Mexico and production would start up in another country. There have been labs busted domestically in Canada.
Some places are not going to get this epidemic, it won't happen in Japan or Korea or Saudi Arabia. Countries with draconian drug laws will avoid it, its going to be difficult for western nations to avoid the temptation of going that route. We almost achieved drug freedom, its high powered opioids that are going to make suburban soccer moms say "fuck legalization".
Test strips mostly work but not necessarily for analogs or nitazenes. But it has ruined street drugs.
I shocked how fast fentanyl took over in my city. No matter how many treatment beds the government creates it's never even close to enough. You can tell who the users are they are are all hunched over. They are everywhere here, it's so bad I'm thinking of moving, the thing is, where? Its going to be everywhere soon. When you see the videos of SF or Philly, your town is going to be like that soon too.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: viraldrome]
#28641049 - 01/30/24 07:12 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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It's unfortunate that traditional treatments for opioid dependency don't work for hardcore fentanyl habits. Methadone and Suboxone just aren't cutting it, they aren't reducing cravings the way they do for heroin - the fentanyl is just a whole order of potency above traditional opiates.
The most effective "treatment" seems to be death, the cynical part of me says.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: viraldrome]
#28641052 - 01/30/24 07:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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The hunch!! ya I see it everyday. Just today I was looking at this guy's full bare ass hanging out while he is bent right over fucking with his pipe. Garbage strewn all around him. I live right next to an encampment and safe injection site. I've lost friends to it. Glad I'm not using hard drugs anymore. I mostly just smoked crack but apparently it has been laced with fent a fair bit recently around here. I guess anyone can make their crack with it in it and some people probably want that. Freaky! Stay safe everybody. Get your shit tested if your doing anything.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Mystikal]
#28641059 - 01/30/24 07:37 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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what about legalizing heroin?
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Freedom]
#28641075 - 01/30/24 07:54 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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That hunch over has a lot to do with xylazine too
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28641301 - 01/31/24 02:11 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Mystikal said: The hunch!! ya I see it everyday. Just today I was looking at this guy's full bare ass hanging out while he is bent right over fucking with his pipe. Garbage strewn all around him.
They are all surrounded by piles of garbage. I mean if you are next to a garbage can and are unable to throw out trash how exactly could that person live in an apartment? I keep hearing they all need housing, but someone flat on their face at 8 am cannot safely cook breakfast. Housing them would require a huge staff just to keep them alive. There are so many encampments in my city, and we get fucking cold here like -40 few weeks ago, whole bunch of homeless got amputations this winter from frostbite...
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Blue Cthulhu said: It's unfortunate that traditional treatments for opioid dependency don't work for hardcore fentanyl habits. Methadone and Suboxone just aren't cutting it, they aren't reducing cravings the way they do for heroin - the fentanyl is just a whole order of potency above traditional opiates.
The most effective "treatment" seems to be death, the cynical part of me says.
The advocates here keep pimping out "safe supply" Hydromorphone aka Dilaudid but all my research into it shows fent addicts still get dope sick even on huge doses. None of them want these "safe supply" drugs and sell them and buy fent. You have to get them before they get on fentanyl. I don't agree with giving heroin to 18 year old recreational users though, that is just creating a new wave of addicts. Its amazing the guy wrote the book on Junk William S Burroughs shot Dilaudid until his 90s it was his drug of choice, and its not strong enough for today's addicts.
I literally see no path out of this, even death, there 2000 deaths a year in BC Canada but 200 thousand addicts. 1 in a hundred die each year, so the number of total addicts will never go down if they keep hooking new users, and they do, there seems to be an endless number of new people willing to try it....
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: viraldrome]
#28641302 - 01/31/24 02:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I never tried fentanyl, is it better than heroin experientially?
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Northerner]
#28641315 - 01/31/24 02:50 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Northerner said: I never tried fentanyl, is it better than heroin experientially?
Its said to be less euphoric and you are more likely to oversleep your nod, but the price/poteny cannot be beat.
If you're addicted to it, nothing even heroin comes close to its aggression as a shortacting drug.
An acquired taste.
You are less likeky to die of a comparable OD but more likely to die of a massive OD.
Cartels have professors, pharmacists and pharma industry equipment.
by contrast, complete fuckoffs with zero expertise order it online, shake it with powdered sugar in a jar and pretend thats as good as a $50,000 pharma mixing machine
it needs to be liquid dosed
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Freedom] 2
#28641342 - 01/31/24 04:25 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Freedom said: what about legalizing heroin?
God I miss heroin, can we please legalize heroin?
ALEXA LEGALIZE HEROIN.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: budmanman]
#28641837 - 01/31/24 12:19 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Suppose you had a pure gram of ordinary Fentanyl, not talking about analogues.
If you take 1 gram of Fentanyl and dissolve it into a 1 liter bottle of flavorless vodka, red label smirnoff is the acid default, each eyedropper drop of it equals about 33 micrograms, so 3 drops is a stiff 100mcg dose, just like with LSD.
2mg Fentanyl is fatal for most people, pictured here:
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Asante]
#28641856 - 01/31/24 12:38 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I know some people are talking about how it has medical potential. Fuck this compound. This feels like it was intentionally dumped into our market en masse until it finally got enough addicted people to force it to continue to get produced. It’s a piece of shit. This is one of the worst compounds I’ve ever heard of. It’s incredibly short acting, and the addiction level is insane. I wish it was a obliterated off the face of the earth.
How am I ever going to get to try LSD now? I guess I have to make it. Because apparently every dip shit, asshole, and fuck face in the world has dumped some of this into their drug supply.
From a sales perspective I guess having everyone deathly addicted to your chemicals is great. It has completely disenfranchised me from any drugs that I don’t make or have personally verified the source.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28641887 - 01/31/24 01:01 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: I know some people are talking about how it has medical potential. Fuck this compound.
Fentanyl, Sufentanil, Remifentanil etc are supreme pharmaceuticals in the hands of the medical profession. They allow surgeries and painkilling not possible with morphine.
Hate the pusher, not the drug. In good hands its great stuff.
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GenesisCorrupted said: This feels like it was intentionally dumped into our market en masse
What China did amounted to chemical warfare by negligence, an opium war vs the united states. China cut it out drastically though. If you now run a company selling fentanyl to unlicenced westerners, an unmarked van stops in front of your business, they haul you from your office into the van, execute you on the spot and drive you to the morgue. Your employees are dealt with in a more traditional law enforcement way. China cracks down -hard- now that what these entrepreneurs did is a crime. There was no law against selling kilos of fentanyls to foreigners, but now that there is, it gets enforced incredibly harshly.
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GenesisCorrupted said: This is one of the worst compounds I’ve ever heard of. It’s incredibly short acting, and the addiction level is insane.
In Latvia, where the fentanyl wave erupted first, most sold is 3-methylfentanyl, 3-MF, an analogue that is ultrapotent but which also has a duration of action comparable to heroin, which allows addicts to have some quality of life, or sleep at all.
If well dosed 3-MF goes around, the user experience becomes more akin to heroin again, 3-6 fixes a day instead of 12-18.
One would hope that the manufacturers of fentanyl switch their piperidine precursor to a 3-methylpiperidine precursor, and learn to harness the enormous potency increase as its not 80-200x as potent as morphine but 3200x, in the racemic form.
it needs to be in liquid form from producer to user
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: Asante]
#28641892 - 01/31/24 01:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yes, I’m sure it is incredible in the hands of a doctor. The fact is there are too many of these medication’s that immediately leave the hospital. I don’t care that it’s incredibly potent and powerful. It’s too incredibly potent and powerful. It has gone way past the point of being a useful or helpful compound. It does not need to be deadly at that small of a quantity to be affective for the treatment of somebody going into surgery. We have plenty of opioids that don’t kill people from a single little puff of powder in their face.
We have gone beyond the pale. This is a product that was designed to harm. It does not have enough beneficial effects to justify its existence.
Propofol. Done! We did not need this at all. This has ruined all powdered drugs in the world. Every drug dealer thinks they’re a genius for putting this into their supply now. Fuck this compound.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28641939 - 01/31/24 02:00 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: I know some people are talking about how it has medical potential. Fuck this compound. This feels like it was intentionally dumped into our market en masse until it finally got enough addicted people to force it to continue to get produced. It’s a piece of shit. This is one of the worst compounds I’ve ever heard of. It’s incredibly short acting, and the addiction level is insane. I wish it was a obliterated off the face of the earth.
How am I ever going to get to try LSD now? I guess I have to make it. Because apparently every dip shit, asshole, and fuck face in the world has dumped some of this into their drug supply.
From a sales perspective I guess having everyone deathly addicted to your chemicals is great. It has completely disenfranchised me from any drugs that I don’t make or have personally verified the source.
How? Test kit. Test for fent.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28641947 - 01/31/24 02:03 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I wonder how many times someone has to get ripped off before actually finding the genuine article nowadays.
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Re: Illicit fentanyls: the worst is yet to come. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28642034 - 01/31/24 03:22 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: How am I ever going to get to try LSD now? I guess I have to make it. Because apparently every dip shit, asshole, and fuck face in the world has dumped some of this into their drug supply.
I doubt people are adding fentanyl to psychedelics. You probably only have to worry about it being in opiates and stimulants. Maybe even PCP.
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Luckily, I don’t have plans to try any of those.
I was going to have to get a test kit at some point anyways because I don’t want to get Nbome.
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