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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Fungus Gnat] * 4
    #28637403 - 01/27/24 08:22 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #28637487 - 01/27/24 11:16 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Lowes Premium Mulch is a hardwood mulch, as stated in the specifications for it. $4 for 2 cu ft. Also, if 99cent stores are in your area, they will carry hardwood smoker chips from time to time...cheap!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim] * 1
    #28639604 - 01/29/24 03:54 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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I think you guys should use bag mulch instead of smoke chips for your containers. 





The only reason I'd use smoker chips is if I wanted to start some bag spawn indoors. otherwise the fresh ground mulch I get costs $12-15 per cubic yard.

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Lowes Premium Mulch is a hardwood mulch, as stated in the specifications for it. $4 for 2 cu ft. Also, if 99cent stores are in your area, they will carry hardwood smoker chips from time to time...cheap!




Loose mulch at a landscaping shop usually runs $12-15 per cubic yard in the US. You'd need 13.5 bags to get the same amount of mulch for $40 (+tax) more than just getting it by the truck load.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28639661 - 01/29/24 04:36 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I just went on a little walk around the neighborhood and found a giant pile of maple chips just ripe for the taking.  It's going to be super easy to recharge all the pots this year.  Plenty enough to make quite a few new ones too.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28639758 - 01/29/24 05:31 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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I think you guys should use bag mulch instead of smoke chips for your containers. 





The only reason I'd use smoker chips is if I wanted to start some bag spawn indoors. otherwise the fresh ground mulch I get costs $12-15 per cubic yard.

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Lowes Premium Mulch is a hardwood mulch, as stated in the specifications for it. $4 for 2 cu ft. Also, if 99cent stores are in your area, they will carry hardwood smoker chips from time to time...cheap!




Loose mulch at a landscaping shop usually runs $12-15 per cubic yard in the US. You'd need 13.5 bags to get the same amount of mulch for $40 (+tax) more than just getting it by the truck load.




Not everybody needs or wants large quantities of mulch, especially if you're doing planters. I had a chip drop done last year and will have another maybe this year for landscaping purposes. I've checked most of the wood chip/landscape places in Pierce County and none seem to carry Alder or Maple chips at this time,  otherwise I would take on a yard or two. I'm sure somebody does, just haven't found them. My next chip drop I'll specify Maple, Alder and any hardwoods. Next to free for 8-10 yrds. The pickier you are the longer it will take to get a drop. They do ask for a ..tip of $20+. Maybe that will help maybe not.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] * 3
    #28639785 - 01/29/24 05:58 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Was out in the garden wearing a t-shirt today, the ovoids are popping up in force now. Lots of new pins all over the one bed, and a few pins starting to come up in the other 2 locations. They must think it's spring :dancer:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: RescueU] * 1
    #28639869 - 01/29/24 07:34 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Can’t wait to see what they do now that they’re settled in there. I could imagine the Oregon coast having ovoid fruit at any month of the year.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim] * 1
    #28639912 - 01/29/24 08:20 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Not everybody needs or wants large quantities of mulch, especially if you're doing planters. I had a chip drop done last year and will have another maybe this year for landscaping purposes. I've checked most of the wood chip/landscape places in Pierce County and none seem to carry Alder or Maple chips at this time,  otherwise I would take on a yard or two. I'm sure somebody does, just haven't found them. My next chip drop I'll specify Maple, Alder and any hardwoods. Next to free for 8-10 yrds. The pickier you are the longer it will take to get a drop. They do ask for a ..tip of $20+. Maybe that will help maybe not.




Sure. But I wasn't talking about getting a 8-10 yard chip dump. There is literally a big difference between that and getting a 1 (or 0.5) yard bucket dumped on a utility trailer or truck bed. A half yard is needed to make a single 4'x10' bed at 4" deep.

If you're just making a small container, or are playing around with small blocks indoors, then I'd agree bag mulch or smoker chips that have been kept dry and stored indoors are the better choice. But I would never use bag mulch that was stored out in the rain without heat or lime pasteurizing it. Or just outright sterilize it.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim] * 2
    #28639940 - 01/29/24 08:51 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Notwhouthink said:
I think you guys should use bag mulch instead of smoke chips for your containers. 





The only reason I'd use smoker chips is if I wanted to start some bag spawn indoors. otherwise the fresh ground mulch I get costs $12-15 per cubic yard.

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MoJim said:
Lowes Premium Mulch is a hardwood mulch, as stated in the specifications for it. $4 for 2 cu ft. Also, if 99cent stores are in your area, they will carry hardwood smoker chips from time to time...cheap!




Loose mulch at a landscaping shop usually runs $12-15 per cubic yard in the US. You'd need 13.5 bags to get the same amount of mulch for $40 (+tax) more than just getting it by the truck load.




Not everybody needs or wants large quantities of mulch, especially if you're doing planters. I had a chip drop done last year and will have another maybe this year for landscaping purposes. I've checked most of the wood chip/landscape places in Pierce County and none seem to carry Alder or Maple chips at this time,  otherwise I would take on a yard or two. I'm sure somebody does, just haven't found them. My next chip drop I'll specify Maple, Alder and any hardwoods. Next to free for 8-10 yrds. The pickier you are the longer it will take to get a drop. They do ask for a ..tip of $20+. Maybe that will help maybe not.




I am a former tree worker, the tip makes the difference.  Have to go out of the way to drop chips off, that pulls us off of schedule and away from the next job.  Some days we're doing 3-5 jobs in ten hours, not a lot of time to do a lot of work.

But you know what works the best on tree workers?  Give them nice beer.  A sixer or 12 pack of cold beer along with the tip and they will remember you.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 2
    #28639950 - 01/29/24 08:59 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Can’t wait to see what they do now that they’re settled in there. I could imagine the Oregon coast having ovoid fruit at any month of the year.




The maritime climate where I'm at is an almost constant. The day & night temps in the winter aren't very different than the summer. A week or 2 ago  it was freezing everywhere but here. Just normal temps in the 50's :thumbup:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim]
    #28640277 - 01/30/24 08:22 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Try and find out where the county dumps there chips from storm clean ups. Especially across the bridge where there will be more of the wood types your looking for. Good luck.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 8
    #28640532 - 01/30/24 12:13 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)


Grain straight to chips outside, around 4 weeks through lots or rain and being froze for days. Banana yellow subaeruginosa. Not every patch that I did that week looks as good.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #28640537 - 01/30/24 12:16 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Welp, I just boiled (to hydrate) some wood chips, then bagged them up into XL filter patch bags, and before I could gently get them to fit whatsoever, I had 2 holes poked in each bag.

It's so much more work to sterilize than to quasi-pasteurize fuel pellets.  Bags fit so awkwardly into pressure cookers, especially these XL ones. 

Could one, with an AA sterilizer (not a pressure cooker), fill the sterilizer with wood chips NOT in bags, and bring the sterilizer to in front of the flow hood before opening it, then open the sterilizer in aseptic conditions, transfer sterile wood chips to bags and inoculate? 

It would sterilize more per run...


I think wood chip size and shape vary, so maybe another chipper can yield perfect chips to sterilize, I think I'm going to have to try some Alder planer shavings, so they don't poke holes in the bags.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 2
    #28640576 - 01/30/24 12:59 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I don’t worry too much about pin holes(happens a lot), they should colonize way before they dry out. And it’s not like grain that will contaminate if there’s a chance. You got the right thought with the chipper, but also tree species. Doug fir is a pretty hard softwood that tends to break and splinter with sharp points, if you’ve worked on fir flooring vs maple you’ll get it. Chips from a sawmill will tend to have those sharp ends worn down a bit as they go through shakers and sifters before being blown into vans and piles, but that depends on how the mill is setup. Tree service chips can vary on the load they get, broadleaf maple has a lot softer twigs that tend to get worn as they go through the chipper to the van then dumped, where red or silver maple will have sharper stiffer trigs.

If it puts things into perspective, what’s different about these. All theses bags were inoculated in open air with grain from sawdust that was a pile just sitting out in my yard. There are literal earth worms, and visable molds. Non of it was pasteurized or sterilized. There’s a few mushroom patches that started from these.


It’s not my go to styles but back then I was just trying to figure some things out on my own, and it works.
Literally worms gnats and mites are living in the bags with the fungi.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28640596 - 01/30/24 01:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Yeah this was from a Vermeer bc1000, but I think some species, especially when dead wood is thrown in a chipper, can explode into shards.  That's what it looks like I'm dealing with.

One bag had 6 pinholes and one 1/4" hole.

You make me question sterilizing at all...

Do you all like the concept of 'naturalized spawn', where, if I understand correctly, might look like getting the mycelium onto wood, then getting it on to some raw wood before spawning outdoors.  But that could be tricky to get raw wood to colonize, maybe that's a transition best done at the time of spawning outdoors in the spring.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28640627 - 01/30/24 01:44 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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Grain straight to chips outside, around 4 weeks through lots or rain and being froze for days. Banana yellow subaeruginosa. Not every patch that I did that week looks as good.



I literally just posted this. I put most of my grain outside fall through spring, I lay out chips for beds when I get time, then when I have grain ready I spawn it right to the chip beds, it works great, when it works, but due to weather and the culture or geneticsšŸ¤·šŸ» some spots don’t do well because they get too wet. Some spots are side by side and one colonizes and one doesn’t, so I feel like its a culture things for the most part.
However, spawning grain to sterile chips gives you better odds. If you’ve got it on good hard chunks of wood you’ll have a better chance of it surviving through being too wet, or too dry. If I’ve got sterile wood chips I know they will colonize, if I put grain right outside on chips it’ll likely colonize, but it might not.
The patches that don’t make it during the winter can just get reinnoculated later, to me it’s worth not having to run the canners so much to sterilize wood, however I do a lot of that too.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28640653 - 01/30/24 01:58 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining that, and so many other things.

It's nice to know they do fine in Winter as well.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 5
    #28640822 - 01/30/24 04:30 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I've only colonized wood indoors once with psilocybe cyanesnens, it worked out VERY well though. Its pretty slow going though, I gathered some mycelium from an outdoor patch late October yrs ago. I used some small Alder smoker chips from the store for the 1st transfers,I just hydrated the chips in tap water for 2 days or until most sank then flipped over to drain for a day. I made "Lasagna" with the outdoor spawn & the chips.
Then went hunting for more bulk chips, I always had a few rubbermaid tubs in the back of my truck and would be on the lookout right after wind storms, hydro crews in my area would buck up the trees off their lines then chip right on the spot into the bush, I gathered a bunch, the sooner you get them the better ( before contams grab hold ).

For these I boiled in a large pot to hydrate, i didnt keep track of temps or any time, just till they sank like before, drained in sink then added a layer onto the colonized smoker chips. I did have the odd contam here and there but it was always easy to simply remove it ( always on bark )
These colonized fine.
After about 5 months of transfers I had enough tubs for my needs. The colonized tubs on the right was enough for Four 4Ɨ6' patches, about 25-30% spawn to soaked "fresh" chips from the road side collecting the fall before, then a casing layer of organic soil.

Im attempting something similar but I started pretty late & wont have time to colonize on straight wood, so im trying some grain spawn a d or lc, I'll Noc up a bunch of wood as I place it in the ground this time round...If you wanna colonize alot of wood you gotta start early like I did the 1st time. Oh well we will see what happens...

An old experienced hippe told me the best time to gather alder or western Maple wood chips is right before they leaf out in spring, he said the alder is loaded with good sugars at that time in paticular...chop em down and chip.
He also told me when I gather those roadside chips to thoroughly dry them right away , then store them until you need them, so thats what I did with all my collected chips.





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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28640823 - 01/30/24 04:31 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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I am a former tree worker, the tip makes the difference.  Have to go out of the way to drop chips off, that pulls us off of schedule and away from the next job.  Some days we're doing 3-5 jobs in ten hours, not a lot of time to do a lot of work.

But you know what works the best on tree workers?  Give them nice beer.  A sixer or 12 pack of cold beer along with the tip and they will remember you.




Where I live tree trimmers are always looking for places (especially during the Spring storm season) to dump chips because they have to pay to dump them at a commercial composting corporation. We don't pay anything at all for large chip-dumps because they are happy enough as it is just to give them away. Problem is I won't use their chips for myco-beds because they are all contaminated from dead limbs and trees that were already rotting with any number of other fungal/bacterial species. They are great for large areas of ground cover though, like gardens or trail paths. I may actually get a couple dumps this year to cover the ground where I'm building my 30'x40' greenhouse.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28640841 - 01/30/24 04:46 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Chips harbor alot of insects including mites so be careful as fuk doing it in greenhouse floor being utilized for plants also

A couple tent garages would be pimp like this mega bulk and covered for extended fruiting


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