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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: AquaDub] 1
#28639953 - 01/29/24 09:01 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Old thread, but I've done a lot of psychedelics and never seen any aztec, mayan, african or egyptian imagery. I think you see it because you expect to or because you want to.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: nooneman]
#28640061 - 01/30/24 01:02 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I've seen Mayan and Aztec type stuff on DMT. All those triangles, breaking patterns and stuff, it even looks a lot like the old Muslim temple interiors. I swear the people who made these things cooked themselves on DMT for inspiration.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Northerner] 1
#28640070 - 01/30/24 01:33 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yeah I agree with nooneman. Maybe not necessarily because you expect it or try to see it, but maybe it’s just from exposure to those art forms that pushes you to apply “Aztec” or “Hindu” to the visuals.
I think the reality of it is more in line with what Northerner said. That these ancient art forms were likely inspired by entheogens at some point and caught on from there.
So rather than saying the imagery is “Aztec”, I think it’s more accurate to say that Aztec people’s art was inspired by the contents of their conscious experience, which we still share with them to this day. Our brains haven’t evolved much in the last few thousand years.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Bardy]
#28640075 - 01/30/24 01:54 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Im glad this thread got bumped, i find this subject so fascinating!
During my first ever Acid Trip, at around the 10 hour mark, i was in the high-desert forest of Bend, Oregon, laying on the dirt ground, on a beautiful summer day, looking straight up into the sky.
While looking at the wispy, floating clouds above, I saw fragments of the Aztec Sun Calendar in High-Definition, slowly twisting inside the clouds, repeating, over and over, in a consistent and hypnotic pattern. Sometimes there were multiple fragments of the calendar intersecting each other. It was one of the most incredible things Ive ever seen. I knew at that moment that LSD was one of the most magical drugs on the planet. I also saw strippers dancing naked in the cloud as well. Those were the two main things I saw in the cloudy, wispy cloud on that Amazing Day 
Soul Flight's comment was super interesting. I have never seen any Hindu imagery and Im not really into Hinduism either.
So I have a theory. I think theres two parts to it. One is a general interest in something. The Aztec Sun Calendar is one of my favorite things from ancient history. I think its a work of Art. The second part is spiritual. I am part Mexican, thus I could very well have a tiny amount of Aztec blood in me.
Nooneman's comment is super interesting because from what Ive seen from his posts, hes pretty skeptical. Thus, anything with spiritual significance, like Aztec, Mayan or Egyptian imagery, is "unworthy" of thinking about. Its all fantasy. Because of this, he doesnt see this imagery. So it could be his spirit has no ties to any of these plus his lack of interest in these types of ancient symbolism. Part interest, part belief, part distant relatives equals ancient imagery.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28640082 - 01/30/24 02:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have never seen any Hindu imagery and Im not really into Hinduism either.
The fact that you’re not into Hinduism would explain the fact that you’ve never seen Hindu imagery in my opinion.
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Nooneman's comment is super interesting because from what Ive seen from his posts, hes pretty skeptical. Thus, anything with spiritual significance, like Aztec, Mayan or Egyptian imagery, is "unworthy" of thinking about. It’s all fantasy.
I think of myself as a fairly skeptical person, but at the same time I don’t write things off just because they might be labeled as spiritual. The word spiritual can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people, and spirituality in some form or another is a necessary part of so many peoples lives (nearly everyone I believe).
Also, nothing is unworthy of thinking about, even to a skeptic.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Bardy]
#28640084 - 01/30/24 02:12 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Fair enough. Do you see any of these types of imagery during a trip? What kind of art do u like?
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28640298 - 01/30/24 08:36 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I am leaning towards the opinion that these drugs do create these fractals and laser shows in our head. Our brain generates it. I suspect the ancient Hindus used soma and saw the same imagery and created their culture.
Maybe the Egyptians used drugs and created their culture.
Maybe the Mayans, Aztecs, and Muslims also.
Maybe my brain is genetically similar to a Hindu brain so I see Hindu imagery.
And maybe it is still an alien message or other dimension we are all accessing. Or maybe it is just a glitch in the human brain that a mushroom causes this.
It feels very supernatural. Sometimes the Hindu imagery feels menacing or seductive. Sometimes I fight it or wish to see a new scene. But it really comes after me strongly. Lol!
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Soul Flight] 2
#28640330 - 01/30/24 09:12 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Two days ago, in the Brooklyn Museum, I spent some time looking at 5000 year old carved cuneiform stones on display illustrating the popular heroes of Assyria, and Egypt. These wall embellishments also resemble 2000 year old Aztec and Mayan wall carving and painting, which also resemble 3000+ year old south Asian wall ornamental 'publications', all of which are more regularized and formalized than Neanderthal cave paintings of 8 to 50 thousand years ago.
Our kind likes to leave mementos on the walls and paths that our friends and descendants can marvel at. Dogs just pee and sniff.
I note that when I am high or coming down from any of the lovely psychedelics, I have my own wall ornamentation happening, which ranges from chiaroscuro, through filigree, to cartoon story boards, some of which are very Mexican in quality and coloration, each in some way reenacting the private legends and cosmological mysteries of my own existence history & evolution.
It seems to be something we can do, that we like to do, and that we kind of do even if it just stays behind our eyes (in brain graffiti).
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#28640356 - 01/30/24 09:35 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I love this topic and have commented on it often in other threads.
I had a series of mushroom trips where Aztec pictographs were dancings across large rocks I was looking into. Of course I had seen their art before, but I didn’t have an outsized interest until after these experiences.
The simple answer is the human brain organizes patterns in this way under certain influences like shrooms and aya. The more mystical view is these spirits are reaching out to us.
During that same stretch of experiences I had one short vision looking at a grass field where all of the sudden shivas with many arms appeared. She looked like a simple animation rather than a fleshed out painting, but very distinct this lasted maybe 10 seconds max and then was gone.
On my current path I’m inclined to think there are other forces at play, deep ancestral spirits, nudging us towards truth or becoming actualized beings.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] 2
#28640674 - 01/30/24 02:17 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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So true.
I think I mentioned elsewhere on this forum in my first experiences with LSD and shrooms I would see a very Hindu couple. Their clothing and movements and hand gestures were Hindu. I know nothing about the Indian culture but it was obvious this man and woman were a couple. I was just an atom in their world. It was euphoric and blissful. They were dancing and their eyes had true love for each other. Later I kept googling for Hindu god couples. I found Krishna and Radha dancing the raslila. It was a great moment in my life. They sorta play cat and mouse with each other and flirt and that seems to be the big cosmic game and tension of life. It is playful and fun.
I also saw the elephant god Ganesh but I assume I had seen his image in pop culture.
My visions come from keeping my eyes closed for 6 hours on heroic doses. They are closed eye visuals. Logic tells me either the Hindu gods are real, there is a glitch in some brains and soma or mushrooms conjure up these archetypal images, or maybe I did hear or see these stores about Hinduism and my subconscious is tainted but I just do not believe so. But then again my subconscious is beyond my reach or waking memory.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28640761 - 01/30/24 03:31 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah I have seen stuff which could be described as Aztec. Most of the time I’m getting visuals that I’d just describe as fractals that are ever changing. Fractals, faces, eyes, things that are familiar to me but that are unfamiliar at the same time.
I love trippy cartoon-like art.
How about you?
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Bardy] 2
#28640925 - 01/30/24 05:43 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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At the moment I see dents in flat surfaces and colored bits like TV noise as OEV, and photos and paintings seem alive and If I close eyes patterns begin to form in 5 seconds or so and then they keep on getting more complex they are somewhat tribal neon patterns on black. 1.5 hours after 1.1g of PE
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: nooneman]
#28641064 - 01/30/24 07:41 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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nooneman said: Old thread, but I've done a lot of psychedelics and never seen any aztec, mayan, african or egyptian imagery. I think you see it because you expect to or because you want to.
What do you see?
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Soul Flight]
#28653637 - 02/10/24 02:13 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Soul Flight said: This is an old thread.
But I always see extreme Hindu imagery. Like very intense. Henna tattoos everywhere. All the Hindu gods and clothing and costume and jewelry. And it is like bright and colored and iridescent and throbbing. I am absolutely shocked and awed and dumbfounded by the intricacy and detailing. I cannot believe my brain can generate all this stuff. And I swear I had zero knowledge of Hinduism prior to my trips.
this has never happened to me so thats interesting
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: nooneman] 2
#28653638 - 02/10/24 02:16 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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nooneman said: Old thread, but I've done a lot of psychedelics and never seen any aztec, mayan, african or egyptian imagery. I think you see it because you expect to or because you want to.
i disagree ive been to egypt thailand jamaica germany turkey britain france netherlands
and when i took shrooms from the Netherlands i wasn't thinking about native Americans. i was focused on having a good time and curing my trauma. but natives came up
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Northerner] 1
#28653641 - 02/10/24 02:18 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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i feel like there is an imprint of culture somehow
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well psychedelic does strip away the trappings of modernity from the underlying reflections in mind. what we are left with is natural forms and this is what is implied in "native" imagery
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: Bardy] 1
#28653706 - 02/10/24 05:29 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Bardy said: Yeah I have seen stuff which could be described as Aztec. Most of the time I’m getting visuals that I’d just describe as fractals that are ever changing. Fractals, faces, eyes, things that are familiar to me but that are unfamiliar at the same time.
I love trippy cartoon-like art.
How about you?
Forgot to respond earlier....
Its similar for me. I see more organic "life". Occasionally I will see something tribal like Mayan in my CEVs but mostly its this abstract "organic energy", sorta like a plasma ball crossed with living foliage, folding and morphing into itself and outward overlapping itself. Sometimes I see faces, animals, geometric shapes and various types of people as well.
Only that first LSD trip did I really experience the explicit Aztec imagery.
For me, I like hyper-realistic art and rainbow colorful, detailed cartoony art.
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28653728 - 02/10/24 06:28 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: well psychedelic does strip away the trappings of modernity from the underlying reflections in mind. what we are left with is natural forms and this is what is implied in "native" imagery
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Re: Aztec/Tribal imagery while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28653965 - 02/10/24 09:56 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Data also is old now
that must be a new spot.
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