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Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths
    #28640425 - 01/30/24 10:29 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I came across an article on Druthers.ca, an independent, people-powered newspaper.  This newspaper is based in Canada, however many of its articles have relevancy to the United States.

I will quote an excerpt of the article that I thought was interesting, to see if I can generate a discussion. Basically it introduces a concept that is new to me, namely pathocracy. I am sure it's new to a lot of people, too. 

I have included the link to the original article at the bottom of the post.

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Statist propaganda in the West tries to convince us that we live in a democracy, exemplifying Abraham Lincoln’s famous ideal of “government of the people, by the people, for the people.”

But this is gaslighting. In truth, we live in a pathocracy, which, borrowing from Lincoln, might be described as “government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths.”

Although “pathocracy” is still a foreign concept to many, it is by now a well-established and thoroughly documented phenomenon. The term was coined by Andrew Lobaczewski — a Polish psychologist whose life’s work was shaped by his experience growing up first under the thumb of the brutal Nazi occupation and then under the equally brutal Soviet regime — in his book, Political Ponerology.

Lobaczewski defines pathocracy as a system of government “wherein a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people.” Then, in a chapter of Political Ponerology devoted to the subject, he describes how pathocracies develop, how they consolidate power, and how they trick, cajole, intimidate and otherwise induce non-psychopaths into participating in their madness.

How can soldiers’ natural aversion to pulling the trigger on complete strangers be overcome? How can doctors who have sworn an oath to do no harm participate in the pandemic madness of recent years? How can regular, salt-of-the-earth, working-class policemen be induced to brutally beat peaceful protesters? These are the questions that keep both the pathocrats in power and those looking to escape the pathocracy up at night, albeit for very different reasons.

Thankfully, we do not need to ponder these questions in a vacuum. In fact, the conditions for creating an environment in which the average person can be induced to participate in evil acts has been studied, catalogued and discussed by psychologists for the better part of a century. Unsurprisingly, though, this research, ostensibly intended to better understand how people can guard against such manipulation, has instead been weaponized by the pathocrats and used to fine-tune the creation of systems for generating more obedient order-followers. In fact, this was part of the point of the well-known but almost completely misunderstood Milgram experiments (more on which below).

At this point in our exploration, we are finally beginning to grasp the full extent of the problem posed by psychopaths in positions of political, corporate and financial power.

The problem isn’t just that psychology has been weaponized against those of us who would engage in political dissent. And the problem isn’t simply that this system for suppressing and pathologizing dissent has been created by literal psychopaths and their sociopathic lackeys.

The problem is that the state itself is psychopathic and is actively warping the morals of otherwise mentally sound individuals, causing them to adopt psychopathic traits in return for material reward and positions of authority.

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To see more: https://druthers.ca/dissent-into-madness-escaping-the-madhouse/

If the link doesn't work, just go to Druthers.ca, then go to Read, then go to By subject, and then go to Philosophy.  The article is titled: Dissent
into Madness, Escaping the Madhouse.

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28640472 - 01/30/24 11:22 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

not appreciative of druthers due to this https://druthers.ca/had-you-known-would-you-have-taken-the-jab/ which appears to be even minded but is actually propaganda against vaccines.

“government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths.” sounds like old man humour for people not quite thinking for themselves yet.

just to check I used the search "truckers Ottawa"
and I got this
https://druthers.ca/?s=truckers+ottawa&post_type[]=post&post_type[]=page&post_type[]=avada_faq&post_type[]=product&search_limit_to_post_titles=0&live_min_character=4&live_posts_per_page=50&live_search_display_featured_image=1&live_search_display_post_type=1&fs=1

an article in clear support of what was probably the most disgusting mobilization of stupidity on the planet ever.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28640524 - 01/30/24 12:06 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

its very simplistic to say they are psychopaths

people have many aspects, many faces, many parts

our minds tend to simplify things so we can pretend we understand them. we reduce something as complex as a human being to 'a psychopath' and then reduce all the activities of many 'psychopaths' into 'pathocracy'

so then we have this little tiny idea and pretend its an understand, so then we can feel like we know something,

but really its extraordinarily complex. its not really understandable in my opinion. there is more and more and more to see, the more you look. and each of us tend to keep looking from just a few of our favorite perspectives. in fact people will argue and fight over perspectives before they even try a different one on many times

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Freedom]
    #28641436 - 01/31/24 06:50 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)


people will argue and fight over perspectives before they even try a different one on many times-


Downgrading a presumption to a falsified theory is the less attractive remedy...

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28641514 - 01/31/24 07:52 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

A government of greedy parasites,by the greedy parasites, for the greedy parasites

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: LsDelight]
    #28641556 - 01/31/24 08:13 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

name calling, right?

in this way you turn people into objects of derision to be eliminated, practice that for a while and you become a nazi.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28641759 - 01/31/24 10:58 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Is Nazi the only choice?


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Rahz]
    #28641804 - 01/31/24 11:41 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

it is not a choice, it is a label for this direction of populist degeneration in social behavior.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28641851 - 01/31/24 12:32 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Ahh okay. It seems sometimes individuals are selective about who they call name callers when they call out name callers and are even name callers sometimes themselves, which of course is generally defended as reasonable name calling, much unlike those pre-Nazi name callers.

So I remain unconvinced that name calling leads only to one ism.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Rahz]
    #28641881 - 01/31/24 12:57 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

It's Ok, I am regarded as naive here.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28642259 - 01/31/24 06:30 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Without getting political, it's reasonable that power hungry people tend to seek positions of power and it's reasonably true regardless of political affiliation or economic orientation.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Rahz]
    #28642300 - 01/31/24 07:02 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

that is true, however in populist movements, the rabble is roused (by tricks of some of the politicians) and the streets become blocked, taking everyone hostage.


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28642507 - 02/01/24 12:15 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

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It's Ok, I am regarded as naive here.




not by me


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28642628 - 02/01/24 05:43 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

for you I am a naive hero


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28642630 - 02/01/24 05:45 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

That is my label! :cookiemonster:

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28642633 - 02/01/24 05:46 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Dunno about hero, Pinky, it is what it is.

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28643431 - 02/01/24 10:18 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
for you I am a naive hero




one can become a hero more and more
for example by drawing


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28643618 - 02/02/24 06:07 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Being an everyday hero is excellent. (even if naive!)


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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28643659 - 02/02/24 07:21 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Bagels for everyone periodically.

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Re: Pathocracy: government of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28643662 - 02/02/24 07:25 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

pizza bagels!


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