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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: SwabMarley] 5
#28634604 - 01/25/24 02:43 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Nice grow going there 3AM.
 My first Bisporus fruit. Went to bulk Dec 18, Cased Dec 30, first fruit a week ago. There are half a dozen new pins already. Dub-Tub.
@stagger - Thanks for trying to get prints of these to me last year. Finally got some from the Free Spore guys ( thank Baba Yaga).
Thanks to the fine growers of this thread. May you be well 794
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Genome794] 1
#28634840 - 01/25/24 06:39 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Genome794 said: Nice grow going there 3AM.
 My first Bisporus fruit. Went to bulk Dec 18, Cased Dec 30, first fruit a week ago. There are half a dozen new pins already. Dub-Tub.
@stagger - Thanks for trying to get prints of these to me last year. Finally got some from the Free Spore guys ( thank Baba Yaga).
Thanks to the fine growers of this thread. May you be well 794
Are longer consolidation and pinning times normal for indoor copes?
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: elasticaltiger] 1
#28634932 - 01/25/24 08:06 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Bisporus does take more or less twice as long, other pans are 5-7 days to fully colonize and maybe another day or two to pin. All on average and temperature depending of course.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28635345 - 01/26/24 07:56 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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To add to that, I didn't notice a difference really in pinsets from letting Bisporus consolidate (2 or 3 weeks, wasn't keeping track).
The consolidated tubs pinned about a week faster but that could have been environmental changes (I switched fruiting conditions). But, they consolidated for over twice that long so there was a time loss there overall (they can be left to consolidate if there's not much fruiting space though which is why I did it to begin with).
So, it was at best a wash but wasn't harmful anyway.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: tree frog]
#28635848 - 01/26/24 04:33 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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This is my thread on 50 pan cyan trip reports and combo with 70mg THH or pure tetrahydroharmine: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/fpart/1/vc/1
Sterilite 54 or 32 Quart Clear Gasket Box with Blue Latches & Gasket
--> Bod's Unmodified Monotub TEK: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/fpart/1/vc/1
Bod said "This tub fruiting method is extremely low maintenance. No fanning is required, mist if needed, which will be infrequently. The lid is NOT latched down, EVER."
--> Baba Yaga Panaeolus in monotubs: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997/vc/1
Baba Yaga said "Member kirkeng convinced me with his well performing unmodified tubs to give unmodded a try and I have to say that these are my new favorites. With those I fruit right at spawn and run subs without a casing. The lid goes on upside down." ------------------------------------------------------------ Great news!
I ditched the martha tent (only use it to grow out grains, jars, or mycobags, love both). As I had to throw out the cake pan from the attempted fruit in martha tent due to it just not fruiting, lack of pins. Too many variables to adjust and trial and error for a martha at least for this beginner.
And put the estero pan cyan substrate cakes which I birthed and 2 new estero pan cyan completely colonized substrate from the mycobags into 2 cake pans, this is what they look like only 3 days later, almost reconsolidated back together as pure white snow all over the top.
And bought 2 of the 54 quart sterilite clear gasket tubs, put the birthed cakes into it, along with the 2 cake pans.
I put programmable seedling heat mats under the tub but separated by can lids, so not touching, set thermostat to keep it at 80 degrees below, and the tubs stay at 76 degrees even when it's 55 degrees outside and around 70 degrees F inside the house at night. The air outside is humid due to lots of rain outside recently.
Punched holes in a piece of box cardboard to run the LED string light that comes on a reel, and plugged it into the timer that turns it on from 7am till 7pm.
The lid is of course put on upside down as per Bod's tek in first link below, ceiling fan off but I do keep the window cracked 1/4" behind the blinds which lets in a bit of fresh air from outside.
I misted only once the 1st day, and already see baby mushrooms all over the 7 jar cakes, the 2 cake pans should finish substrate reconsolidation after being moved from 100% colonized mycobag to the cake pans in about 3 more days, the mycelium is moving super fast to make it like snow all over the top.
Here is an estero pan cyan mushroom I picked from one of the cakes already.
I did not have any pins or mushrooms what so ever using expensive humidifiers and dual reptile heater at bottom with adjustable fan, while using the martha tent for almost over a month now...and all the sudden after moving into the Bod's tubs I have mushrooms in just 2 days!
The humidity stays between 94 to 99% all the time in the tub and the temp at 76 degrees F as I have electronic temp/humidity gauges in each tub.
I am so excited as the martha tent did not work for me, but the tubs rule at least in my case, so happy! I see baby mushrooms popping up all over the cakes just since yesterday!
Thank you Bod and Baba Yaga !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pic 1: I'm growing in two of the 54 quart sterlite tubs, and it's working !!! Pic 2: Inside of one of the two tubs, the 7 birthed cakes the very first day they were put into tub, no mushrooms 1st day, but by next day, I have baby mushrooms all over the cakes, will take another pic when full grown. Pic 3: I have a Vivo Home seedling heat mat 10" x 20.75" under each tub with can lids as spacers, and they fit perfectly and keep it perfect temp inside even with it being 55 degrees outside. Pic 4: This estero pan cyan mushroom was picked already. Pic 5: Piece of cardboard with punched holes on each end from large box with LED strip light reel is the lighting fixture. Pic 6: Timer to keep lights on for 12 hours Pic 7: LED strip light reel for price of a movie ticket. Pic 8: Programmable seedling heat mat set to 80 degrees F underneath jar lids keeps it 76 degrees inside tubs during this January winter, even when it dips down to 50 degrees outside and 68 degrees in the house at night. Temp sensor probe for mats is stuffed underneath the heat mat itself as seen in 1st and 5th photos. Pic 9: My pan cyan substrate broken up and added from mycobag seen fully reconsolidated in the cake pans or pyrex dish after 6 days. Pic 10: Even adding a bit of grown out mycelium grain to jars full of sterilized horse poo/straw/vermiculite substrate become colonized in record time. I simply bought pre-packaged and pre-pasteurized 2.5 lbs bags of horse poo mixture substrate on line, added 2 cups or so to each pint jar, put lids on, sterilized at 15 psi for 1 hour, then in front of flow hood, poured some mycelium grain in, shook up, and it colonizes in a week. Pic 11: The wide mouth jar cultivation lids with injection port and 0.2 micron filter can be bought on line for super cheap Pic 12 and 13: The grain I started with, added wedges from Florida estero pan cyan agar plates to grain in front of flow hood.

Edited by tregar (01/27/24 07:09 AM)
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: tregar] 3
#28636899 - 01/27/24 12:40 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Just some dub-tub Bisporus progress.

The first fruit has been cloned and the cap was wet and put on some foil.
A question. As you can see in the pic, my caps are starting dark grey and turn white/very light grey when mature. That right?
Thanks 794
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Genome794] 2
#28636903 - 01/27/24 12:44 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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The color shift is normal, sometimes theyβll turn other times theyβll stay dark. Iβm of the opinion that conditions play a role in how much they turn, eg wetter conditions they stay dark, dryer conditions they turn white, happy medium they get concentric bands of light/dark
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: tregar] 1
#28636918 - 01/27/24 01:05 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Congrats on the first pan picked and I hope that there will be more to come, I'm curious to see how this turns out. 70F room temp is enough to fruit imo and I would also try a tub without the heat mat as I think that it might create a problem further down the line.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28637629 - 01/28/24 06:01 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
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Congrats on the first pan picked and I hope that there will be more to come, I'm curious to see how this turns out. 70F room temp is enough to fruit imo and I would also try a tub without the heat mat as I think that it might create a problem further down the line.
Thank you so much Baba Yaga, it's been a struggle with the martha tent for over a month now, had too many variables to dial in for this beginner, just thankful this is going smoothly now with the tubs, I was about to quit for good. Live in a state where these pans grow naturally, and the temps are starting to return to normal low 70 in the afternoons, so should be able to turn off the heat mat soon. In the morning and at night it's been around 45 degrees F outside and 65 in the house. Turned heat mat that sits below jar lids down to 78 degrees F so it only keeps it at 70 degrees at night in the tub and 75 degrees in the afternoon. I have also read from another person who is on his 3rd try with pan cyan's and he was also using a martha tent with no success. The martha is a problem cause I did not know how much of the tent bottom to roll ups, how slow or fast to run the internal fan at bottom of tent, the humidifier cycling, etc, and tending to it daily with water changes, etc. I must have changed out the humidifier water every day for a month now with nothing to show for it while using the tent.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: tregar] 6
#28639142 - 01/29/24 09:38 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Finally able to get back to messing with actives this off-season a bit and got my first decent harvest of bisporus. Tried growing them a few times and as I increased manure content the yield went up.
3 month old blue and crazy looking spawn ~70/30 pasteurized manure-containing soil/bucket coir Cased with pasteurized jiffy
Spawned full jar to a smaller unbodified type bin (maybe 20-30 quarts). Left the lid on normally until I started seeing some spots of myc pop through the top layer then cased and flipped the lid. Lid stayed flipped normally for a while then I scooted it backwards a bit to give a larger front opening. Around 70Β°F the whole way. In the corner of a room with bright indirect sunlight.
Took around 3 weeks to pin and a little over week to mature.
Edited by Southerner (01/29/24 09:40 AM)
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Southerner]
#28639190 - 01/29/24 10:31 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Good stuff.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Yahra]
#28639569 - 01/29/24 03:34 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Nice job southerner! Those Bispo lookinβ real fine!
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: kirkeng]
#28639695 - 01/29/24 04:58 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Is the bisporus potency comparable to cyanescens?
Is there anyone with experience in both that can comment on trip experience across panaelous species in general? I've come to consider cubensis as the sort of, speedy psilocybin trip. Looking for an alternative.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: elasticaltiger] 6
#28639704 - 01/29/24 05:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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In my opinion cyans come off very otherworldly and airy to me, more of a maternal feeling to them as well. Bisporus feels more grounded and deep in the earth, underworld type shit, paternal in a way. Cambos, give me a feisty energy. Seemingly more neutral, Iβve taken these the least granted. Cyans I take in the day time, cambia with friends, Bisporus alone at night. Thereβs a time and place for all of them but I find myself taking bisporus most frequently, I tend to like mushrooms that are more grounded in general though, cyans can be too spacey for me at times. But grain of salt this is just how I classify them for myself.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: kirkeng]
#28640294 - 01/30/24 08:34 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks kirkeng! Really surprised on how many spores these things dropped. Hell of a lot easier to print than the cyans I grew a while back. Dried to 8.2g so have some more work to do on yield.
For a second flush do yβall patch up the casing after harvest or just mist?
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Southerner]
#28640311 - 01/30/24 08:51 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I just mist, no patching. Though Iβve started only going for second flushes and beyond on cyans and cambos, lately my bisporus have had such diminished returns on second flush in comparison to cyans or cambos ive decided itβs no longer worth the time.
I do try and be careful to not rip up the sub when harvesting though, opting to try and βsnapβ them at the base, obviously not always possible with how tight these guys grip on occasion. If I had destroyed the surface Iβd consider recasing personally, but little bits here and there nah ainβt worth the effort.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: kirkeng]
#28640781 - 01/30/24 03:55 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Iβve only really seen small tubs and shoe boxes on here, any reason folks prefer them over the larger tubs? I just know I can dial a larger tub in better than a small one, those things are finicky af.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28640806 - 01/30/24 04:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I haven't grown pans in monos yet, but I generally like small tubs (dub tubs in particular) because they're easy to harvest, I can experiment with different genetics/species/etc., I'm not putting a lot of eggs in one basket, and the form factor fits better, imo, with species that prefer less substrate depth (i.e. a four-inch sub is going to put out a lot more humidity in a large mono than a two-inch sub will).
They also fit in my tent, if I decide to move them once the basement gets warm.
That said, I think you get bigger fruits from larger substrates and that you can hack harvesting by possibly floating the substrate. I plan to try pans in monos (possibly a large mono), once I track down some good genetics and the temperature here warms up.
But for my current space and situation, 6 and 12qt dub tubs are my non-automated preference for stuff that will fruit on my shelf in cooler temperatures. With Pans, I'm running them in trays right now so they can fruit in a heated water chamber. And using smaller trays to test Bisporus genetics and fruit a few other projects.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: tree frog]
#28640850 - 01/30/24 04:52 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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 The smaller form factor of shoeboxes cleans up easier. If you're growing a lot then it would make sense to do full size monos. Modified tubs and unmodified shoeboxes have sufficient FAE. You can treat them almost like cubes, except for the pasteurized sub and a light mist twice a day.
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Re: πππ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 3.0 πππ [Re: Floret]
#28640956 - 01/30/24 06:04 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Maybe emphasize the word light. I started with misting once every day and a half and mine dried out. Then I went twice a day. I think it was slightly too much so next time I had planned on sticking to twice a day but make the mists lighter.
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