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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: wolf8312]
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After reading pages 21 thru 23, I see that one person was equating the effects of "eating the seeds" with the same nausea as an alcohol extraction of the seeds, this is completely untrue, as a wine extract of the seeds will exert zero nausea. This is so easy to do, with pics shown below, yes this will work with HBWR seeds if you prefer to use instead of MG seeds, this easy process will also completely eliminate the nausea.
But keep this in mind:
Northerner said
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Interesting. Do you think this tek would work with HBWR seeds as well?
No you do not want to really use HBWR seeds. You can use HBWR seeds, but please keep the dose low as there is a lot of ergometrine in HBWR seeds that cause cramping and vasoconstriction, MG has only traces of it. It's a balancing act if you use HBWR seeds, but they will work.
2016 Polish morning glory study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4830885/
In closing: morning glory compared with HBWR:
Please keep in mind that HBWR has high levels of ergometrine, causes cramping and vasoconstriction, ergometrine levels in morning glory for comparison is very low. Also, HBWR has no history of Shamanic use, whereas morning glory seed usage goes back several hundreds of years. HBWR only has history of medicinal use. HBWR also has high levels of LSA, very sedating and not really all that psychedelic at all. But yes, all studies published after 2011 indicate that no LSH has been found yet in HBWR.
Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he jumped out, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, he had also been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Here is the actual toxicology study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/ hxxps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/
Remember, LSH is just a labile (unstable) adduct of LSA + acetaldehyde which can remain stable in acidic solutions, for example: outside the body in ph=4.0 cold fresh just opened sherry wine solution (under 70 degree F so the acetaldehyde does not boil off), and sherry is high in acetaldehyde. And you have to seal off the wine with a ten dollar wine preservation canister of inert argon gas (from *mazon with enough gas to last years of sealing) you shoot into the bottle, before placing back into the fridge, to keep the acetaldehyde from decomposing to vinegar via oxidation. Keep cold at all times. Whether this forms outside the liver as well as within is a whole nother discussion.
This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.
No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine.
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HBWR has more of a sedative effect compared to MG.
Nogal:
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HBWR is more body related while MG seeds have effects more similar to LSD.
attached: from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants by Ratsch, Aztec and Mayan: morning glory are usually added to alcoholic drinks.

Forensic tests have shown that LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH) does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/
I've had numerous pm's to condense the tek onto 1 page with pics, as lots of people are wanting to try this, so here it is...print this out and carry it with you and study it, it's super easy and fast I promise.
COMPLETE TEK ON HOW TO MAKE LSH and LSI combo or just LSI (your preference) on this one page with supporting studies, very simple:
Self trip with 600 seeds:
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LSI trip report made from MG seeds: on my 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.
If you only have a few HBWR seeds, you can mix them for a few minutes with pure peppermint oil drops, see post #1 for recommendation on how many drops of pure peppermint oil to use, or just read below.
This trip report from Kash (long time LSA master) below is taken from post #3 of the beginning of this thread....keep in mind that LEMON JUICE also contains isovaleraldehyde, my best trip report using just a few HBWR was when I mixed them with fresh lemon juice from the fridge for a while, then consumed.
Do not use the cheap grocery store peppermint alcohol extract, instead buy real Peppermint oil max dosage: Adults: 0.2 to 0.4 mL (4 drops to 8 drops max for adults, DO NOT EXCEED: https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2007/0401/p1027.html
I still don't recommend using HBWR but it will still work to form LSI, see post #2 at very beginning of this thread: all about why this is so (MG vs HBWR seeds)...the main reason is that HBWR contains high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction...whereas MG only has traces of it, I've used MG up to 25g and still no cramping or vasoconstriction. You can get way higher on MG seed LSI whereas with HBWR you will start to experience the somatic side effects of cramping way sooner due to the ergometrine if you are not careful on dosage, it's a balancing act with HBWR.
Psychonauts (psychedelic astronauts): you can still find isovaleraldehyde out there, you just have to look, try looking for the 25ml bottle.
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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil (contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops, editors note: and contains even more isovaleraldehyde) yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
p.s if you read post #2, you will see that ALL the best MG trip reports involved adding fresh lemon juice, examples below, this is because LEMON JUICE ALSO contains isovaleraldehyde:
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Having read someone's description of a cold water extraction with added lemon juice, I decided to try it one day. I've tried this method several times and will describe my best trip to date following these notes…
I've found that the ideal dose for my body weight (5'9, 200 lb.) is 30 grams of seeds. I TRIPPED HARD AS HELL.
I saw geometric patterns in everything…
It ranked up there with the best trips of my life, and that includes Mescaline, LSD, and Mushrooms. The trip lasted for about 8 hours and seemed to peak at about 3 hours. Unlike an acid trip where I peak rapidly and then come down fast, this is more like I peak slowly, level off, and then come down slow. I am always in control of my faculties.
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With a 400 morning glory seed extract into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice, I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything! I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing.
I also find that I can control the imagery by an act of will. Anything I intend to visualize comes forth and then goes beyond what I had imagined and then transforms into something else. This is great for artists! I could swear that on one occasion while listening to Mozart's Requiem, Heaven itself opened up inside my skull! It was incredible! OH, THE BEAUTY! I saw glorious celestial architecture and there were seraphs singing along with the chorus in the music. I just can't even begin to describe what this was like.
I had tears streaming down my face. I was in the highest ecstacy I have ever known. And all of this with a nothing more than a good mindset, good music, and only about 500 seeds. I'll never forget it. It was probably all in my imagination, programmed by my Catholic upbringing. I don't know and don't really care where it came from. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I still feel great joy when I think of it. I felt so whole!
My comment: Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf.
Hermes (lycaeum March 2003) on morning glory visuals & strength, extracted into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice:
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Depending on seed quality, you should get some weak to decent effects from 8 grams, like mild reality bending, marked enhancement of aesthetic perception, insights, weak open eye visuals, moderate but subtle closed eye visuals (especially with music). I find that more satisfactory results are achieved with more seeds, like 14 grams or more. This much is needed to enter truly psychedelic territory. I wouldn't recommend this much if you haven't tried lower doses with the same seeds and method, however.
I usually just measure by Burpee bags. These are 1.8 grams each. I have used anything ranging from 3 to 12 of these. Strangely, the 12 bag trip was relatively weak. They must have been some old seeds. My strongest experience ever with MG seeds was with the Martha Stewart brand from K-Mart. I had strong effects, with good open eye visuals, on only 300 seeds! I used a cold water extraction with some added lemon juice, but the alcoholic extract by Stretchman also here at the Lycaeum I tried was the strongest.
I had strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are about 32-36 seeds to a gram. The Martha Stewarts are more expensive than the Burpees. They are like $1.30 a bag or something close to that for a 1.2 gram bag. The Burpees are something like $0.88 a bag and each bag has 1.8 grams. That's $2.05 a gram for Martha Stewart seeds and $0.92 a gram for Burpee seeds. It seems to be a trade off.
My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.
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Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin).
My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.
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Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours..
A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract..
No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same.
Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019:
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Years ago I stumbled across a simple method for dosing HBWR. Grind the seeds and cover them with white wine, let sit in the fridge for a day or so, shaking occasionally, decant, filter and drink. No nausea no aches no vasoconstriction. I am now off alcohol completely so I’m thinking of an alternative method short of a full on extraction. I’m convinced that something in the wine besides water and alcohol is what makes the trip so clean. I’ve tried twelve percent water alcohol mixes in the past and still had the nasty side effects and at the same time the trip is not as strong. I’m thinking acetaldehyde and or tartaric acid may be involved or at least a good place to start. Any thought on what chemically may be going on?
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"This paper states tha "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/

ItBeBasidia Posted 14 December 2020, he posted in the "morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD like drugs, soluble in alcohol or wine, only slightly soluble in water" thread at Mycotopia: Quote:
It's happening...I followed tregar's LSH tek but did not have the DL tartaric acid.
403 hand counted heavenly blue seeds or 12g ground and put to:
1/3 c cabernet, 1 oz whiskey, 2oz lemon juice
Kept ground seed mush extract in fridge with shaking for a while once every 15 minutes, then 45 minutes later, let seed mush fall to bottom for around 5 minutes, then filtered all the liquid above the mush in the jar thru 1/2 a cotton ball in a funnel like tregar did.
Some of it would not filter above the cotton, so I poured out the liquid above the cotton into a glass then changed out the cotton with another clean 1/2 cotton ball, and poured the solution back thru the cotton, then it would continue to filter, did this changing of cotton repeat 3 times till it all filtered, put back in fridge till I drank it.
See ya on the other side!
Well I had a wonderful time.
After drinking the liquid, I made a fire and waited about an hour and a half and was feeling light effects like enhanced senses and giddiness.
About 30 minutes after that, it hit hard. I was in my bedroom with the lights off listening to music when all of a sudden I felt very light. I looked at my hands and moved them side to side and saw brilliant colored paisley tracers in their wake. I caught glimpses of complex fractals inside the tracer smears. That was the first I've experienced tracers or seen fractals. Music was an adventure as well. It sounded very beautiful.
When I closed my eyes, I saw beautiful organic swirls, colored rotating geometrics, lattice like structures, faces, and shapes full of color going with the music. I opened my eyes and they remained if I wanted. I felt an omniscient divine presence the whole time. Every edge and outline of me and the world around me had a vibrant energy flow. My mind body connection was powerful. My mind environment connection just the same.
From onset till back to baseline was about 8 hours. I had excellent sleep and a nice after glow the next day. It felt as if I'd been optimized. Sorry it took long to get back to the thread, I needed a day to soak it all in.
Easy steps, I've used this process over two dozen times in a 2 year period, it works with zero nausea:
---> You can even drink this LSH and LSI enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH and LSI adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancement, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion around all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH and LSI adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD.
This is most likely due to LSH and LSI hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --> How to make the ZERO NAUSEA morning glory wine which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds: <--
How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone, go to post #1 to read all the studies (5 papers). LSH and LSI do make it to the bloodstream and urine, so it does indeed reach the brain so long as you keep it in it's original state (in acidic wine so it does not decompose back to LSA which will happen in plain water or nonacidic solutions) store in fridge or freeze in freezer to keep forever, drink as so.
Pic 1: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
Pic 2: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
Pic 3: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts.
And also ADD a tiny splash or 1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (I use apple cider vinegar) to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA, and isovaleraldehyde to form LSI. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst as it contains acetic acid, and speeds the formation of new adduct product, see study below:
From Mehra, R.K & Panya, K.C. 1938, The condensation of aldehydes with amides - part III, the condensation of cinnamaldehyde with acetamide. Proc Natl Acad Sci India Phys Sci 7(6). 376-380
NOTE: from paper: Acetamide (very similar to LSA) when cinnamaldehyde adduct added, forms: N,N'cinnamylidenediacetamide just as LSA + isovaleraldehyde forms LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide. RATS RESPOND TO it as if they had been given LSD, and this human rat loves the effects, the closest thing in nature I've ever experienced that is very similar to LSD. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE !!!   
Cinnamaldehyde should not be used as it contains nearly twice the number of carbons and hydrogens and thus weak activity due to this (weights way too much)...only use isovaleraldehyde (weight is perfect) to form the potent LSI. However, I am showing the study so that you see an even "longer chain aldehyde than isovalearaldehyde" will even adduct onto acetamide or LSA as proven in study.
YOU WILL LOVE LSI, it is so very similar to LSD !!!


Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving.
Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes.
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
Pic 4: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds.
Pic 5: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
Pic 6: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it.
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic.
Rest of the pics:
sources of isovaleraldehyde: pure chemical (on line 25ml bottle) or you can use fresh lemon juice or pure peppermint oil, I prefer to use the pure chemical.
Use ice bath on your stirrer to keep wine as a combo of LSH + LSI (as LSH adduct acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, so always keep cold, to form LSI only, omit the ice bath, as LSI does not boil off till 198 degree F).
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine.
You just formed LSH using the method above, to form LSI, simply take your 4 shot morning glory wine, and at this point add your 3 drops of isovaleraldehyde along with 1 to 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar (if you don't have the pure chemical then add teaspoon or more of lemon juice, or several drops of pure peppermint oil) to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. Be sure to spin for around 1 hour at high speed. I always use the pure chemical as I have it. Don't forget to add the apple cider vinegar as it contains the acetic acid catalyst which speeds up the adduct chemical reaction.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- References: Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide, LSI
The aldehyde in peppermint oil and leaf and lemon juice is Isovaleraldehyde otherwise known as 3-methylbutanal. If you are a business or researcher you can order it directly, there are also two places that sell direct to individuals, just google it. They delivered it straight to my door, one place starts with a "*******" All you need to add is two drops of this to your LSA sherry wine liquid extract as it spins on the stir mantel for 1 hour at high speed, also must add 1 teaspoon of either vinegar or apple cider vinegar (my preference), as the acetic acid in the vinegar is the catalyst for the condensation of the isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, see study above.
There is .01mg LSA in 100 seeds (.01 x 100 = 1mg LSA), just a 100 seed extract has effects very similar to 100ug of LSD, LSI is 1/10th the potency of LSD. Immense visual power with closed eye geometrics, wild colors, music sounds bad ass, divine healing power. I have prepared an extract with 200 seeds and the strength increases similar to 200ug of acid.
I have been tripping my ass off every 14 days or so taking this LSI liquid extract around 1 hour after a very small bridgesii tea prepared with only 450 grams of bridgesii cactus chuncks from around the core (around 225mg mescaline), as I love the combo of cactus + LSD, this is no different. Yes, I have tried LSI many times without the cactus, super potent, highly recommend. I will be using LSI for the rest of my life.
This aldehyde is completely safe and has been administered in high does to rats with no ill effects. This aldehyde as you can see from paper makes up a substantial part of peppermint oil and leaf.
More on LSI:
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2 chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO
Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin or DMT with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tail end of psilocin or DMT, see pics in middle 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
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The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
Last several pics: Home grown fresh potent mg seeds....if you can't grow them yourself, buy them on-line in bulk and store in freezer to keep potent until you use...also shown: the priest may have made LSI from claviceps paspali ergot (same alkaloid profile as the mesoamerican morning glory) as it grows it the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis, and served it for 2,000 years in ancient Greece to the psychedelic initiates (hundreds of people drank it at once every Sept). The Kykeon brew was known to contain ergot and fresh peppermint (contains isovaleraldehyde) all mixed together for some time. This easily made brew could have easily fed hundreds of people.
 
Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:
Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1
How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/
Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1
Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1
Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4
 
Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105
LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382
On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs.
https://soundcloud.com/discover https://www.friskyradio.com/ https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 1
#28603772 - 12/30/23 07:45 PM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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tregar said: But yes, all studies published after 2011 indicate that no LSH has been found yet in HBWR.
Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he jumped out, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, he had also been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Here is the actual toxicology study:
And from your post about this at another forum:
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tregar said: they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, and also his friend's urine and blood also had LSH who observed the death. They had both been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Acetaldehyde is in alcohol and may even form LSH from LSA in vitro in the liver when combined with LSA, there is no LSH naturally found in HBWR seeds, only morning glory seeds, we have no studies on this possible in vitro process but here is the actual toxicology study:
So, that study you are talking about. If you actually read it you would know they found LSH in the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds that were involved.
Here is a quote from the paper about that event:
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Klinke, Muller, Steffenrud and Dahl-Sørensen said: LSA, ergonovine (i.e. ergometrine or lysergic acid beta-propanolamide) and D-lysergic acid a-hydroxyethylamide, were identified in the seeds of A. nervosa, consistent with previous reports [3]; they were also identified in the blood and urine samples. Two isomers of ergonovine and D-lysergic acid a-hydroxyethylamide, respectively, were observed in seeds, urine and blood.
You claim there is no proof that HBWR has LSH and then keep talking about a case study that found LSH in HBWR. I think that the quality of your information may improve if you read the papers you post about.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Nillion]
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The chemist Peter Webster believed that all the alkaloids in morning glory exist as the hydroxyethylamide and it is the apparent extraction process that has us believe otherwise. The only way to keep the LSH molecule intact is to extract it and store it in acidic levels such as wine, this is why the ancient mayan and aztec always extracted the seeds into alcohol, otherwise LSH turns into LSA.
Yes, I've purchased and read the actual HBWR study that found no levels of LSH in it at all. I sadly had the paper stored on another lap top that bit the dust, otherwise I'd post the study.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
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tregar said: The chemist Peter Webster believed that all the alkaloids in morning glory exist as the hydroxyethylamide and it is the apparent extraction process that has us believe otherwise.
Things like penniclavine, agroclavine and elymoclavine don't exist as hydroxyethylamide adducts and are psychoactive alkaloids found in several Ipomoea species. Look at depictions of these molecules. They don't even have the amine group that is involved with LSH. How can these alkaloids found in Ipomoea species be in that form when it isn't even possible?
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tregar said: The only way to keep the LSH molecule intact is to extract it and store it in acidic levels such as wine, this is why the ancient mayan and aztec always extracted the seeds into alcohol, otherwise LSH turns into LSA.
If you read the literature about the history of the use of these seeds you would know that cold water extractions of ground seeds is a documented method of traditional extraction in Mexico.
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tregar said: Yes, I've purchased and read the actual HBWR study that found no levels of LSH in it at all. I sadly had the paper stored on another lap top that bit the dust, otherwise I'd post the study.
Why not actually read the study you keep talking about where the person fell to their death? I posted a link to it in my comment above, it is even stored here at the Shroomery as a PDF!
In that study they found LSH in the seeds of HBWR.
You keep claiming that it isn't in the seeds and then keep talking about a case where they found that it was!
And they also found LSH in the blood and urine. You literally just wrote that LSH needs to be kept acidic or it is destroyed.
Blood is typically at a pH of 7.35 to 7.45. That isn't acidic.
Tregar, if you look at the molecules, learn some chemistry and read some of the literature about the history of use of these plants then the information you present on this topic could potentially be accurate one day.
Right now that is demonstrably not the case.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Nillion]
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It was Gröger who first discovered LSH in the seeds, published in his 1963 paper "Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea-Arten". Later also Hofmann then extracted it from the seeds. It probably was in 1967, as Heim wrote in his work from August 1967 that Hofmann said he recently extracted it from the seeds (personal communication, as they knew each other very well).
LSH does make it to the brain, as injections of LSH remain stable in blood as confirmed by these studies:
LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide hits the 2 receptors 5-ht2b & 5-ht2c below + 9 other receptors, if you follow: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
In the above, LSH injection was made into a human and the scientist followed the receptors it activated.
see Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of LSH or D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide,". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4. Bibcode: 1961, Nature.
Glasser in 1961 noticed animals became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar.
Sorry Nillion, thanks for the discussion...I meant to mention the alkaloids LSA and LSH and the iso's have the ability to exist as the hydroxyethylamide or as LSA if it looses the adduct:
Ergot Alkaloids and Ergolines from Convolvulacea:
Chemical Name Alternative Names
d-Lysergic acid amide (Ergine)
d-iso-Lysergic acid amide (iso-Ergine)
Lysergic acid-alpha-hydroxyethylamine
iso-Lysergic acid-alpha-hydroxyethylamine
Ergonovine (Ergometrine)
Ergonovinine (Ergometrinine)
Chanoclavine-I
Chanoclavine-II
Penniclavine
Elymoclavine
Agroclavine
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some researchers believe that perhaps all the content of MG seeds exists as the d-hydroxyethylamide, and it is the extraction/purification/testing procedures which then produce the APPARENT result that the alkaloids are ergine, isoergine, and maybe still some hydroxyethylamide. Thus your testing procedure might also be subject to this problem.
LSH consist of LSA + a labile adduct of acetaldehyde, it is unstable and requires the correct conditions to remain LSH in extraction fluids...I use wine at ph=4, a wine high in acetaldehyde like sherry wine, cold conditions as acetaldehyde boils off at 70 degree F.
Pic below from "the encyclopedia of psychoactive plants": the seeds of morning glory are normally extracted into balche, an alcohol the Mayan and Aztec made themselves:

I believe the phrase people keep repeating about the natives extracting into water using just a bottlecap full of seeds and grinding, which I have read myself over and over from a single source written into a single early book by Shultz is misguided and could possibly have been false information...
...this phrase by morningloryseed confirms the tea made with water will not give you a trip, I've never tripped on any mg extracted into plane water myself as well (this changes if you acidify the water to ph=4 using dl tartaric acid, not to mention but trying to extract with water will just give you a giant emulsion which will no separate...I've tried it myself...whereas I have extracted into wine dozens of time with zero emulsion, the alkaloids are driven into the wine and separate easily from the tiny 1/4" layer of debris mush at the bottom, as detailed in the pic writeup I give.
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Unlike most alkaloids, LSA is water soluble when it is in its natural, freebase state...the way it is found in the seeds. it is a rare, exception to a rule because by simple definition, alkaloids are very alkaline or basic when in their freebase form as they normally occur in plants. Thus, they do not dissolve well into water. Most likely, many of the other ergoline akaloids probably are not water-soluble in their freebase form and thus are not extracted from the ground seed matter when a "tea" is made. or they get dissolved into the non-polar solvent used when an A/B extract is performed and they are thrown away.
Thus, extracts have a different mix of alkaloids and that is why the trip from A/B extracts or a "tea" of m. g. seeds feels so different than that of the whole seeds. In my vast experience with eating the seeds, and taking extracts, the trip that results is not as good. And I've taken the seeds more than any other psychedelic, except LSD and marijuana. I find them much more narcotic/sedative-like in nature and the effects are really nothing like that which I get from EATING the seeds.
The fact that teas or other extracts feel very different from the trip of the whole seed has also been noted by everyone I've shared m.g. seed tea with, and is a common thing reported in trip reports. So this is definitely not a phenomena that I am alone in feeling. Many, many, many people IM or email me with morning glory seed questions and most of them who have tried both have also noted that extracts are not as psychedelic and nowhere near as potent as eating the whole seeds.
The seeds do cause nausea and vomiting (as many other psychedelics like ayahuasca, mescaline, ibogaine, etc.) but a purge, I feel great. Like I said, I think the seeds are one of the best psychedelics, and I have tried quite a number of different ones.
Extractions such as a simple morning glory "tea", or the more complicated A/B extraction, will give you a mixture of different LSA's than those found in the whole seeds. It is the combination of all the ergoline alkaloids in the seeds that make you trip.
The main alkaloid is the mostly sedating LA-111, but many others (up to a dozen or so) including d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (closest molecule to LSD found in nature), are known to occur in the seeds. Together, they have a synergestic efffect and produce a very different kind of experience from pure LA-111. It is (in my opinion) a great trip. One of my favorites. Of course the trip from seeds is very different from LSD. But because it is different than LSD does not mean it is not as good. I think they are both very useful. Some of my most meaningful trips have been with natural lysergic acid amides.
--------------------------------- My comment on this, please don't eat the seeds, this will cause intense nausea, several teens even ended up in the emergency room after eating the seeds. The ancient Aztec and Mayan never ate the seeds, they extracted into balche, a beer they made. The alcohol extract will extract all the alkaloids from the seeds so you don't have to eat them, zero nausea. The cold liquid extract will give you trips as powerful as morningloryseed experienced and beyond.
When people trip off ergometrine (highest alkaloid in HBWR), they are experiencing trips as detailed in this report by Bigwood, note the lack of euphoria and extreme vasoconstriction and cramping, most considered it to not be psychedelic, HBWR also contains high levels of LSA which is sedating.
3 experimenter's effects when ingesting pure ergonovine, another name for ergometrine (found in HBWR), June 1979 Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, morning glory contains very low levels of ergometrine at only .03% whereas HBWR seeds contain .17% (quite high), ergometrine causes cramping and vasoconstriction, see below:
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In the January-June 1979 issue of the Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Jeremy Bigwood, Jonathan Ott, Catherine Thompson and Patricia Neely report on their attempt to replicate Hofmann's finding in three experiments with ergonovine maleate, each time in one pastoral setting. They were following up Wasson and Ruck, who tried the same amount as Hofmann but "did not experience distinct entheogenic effects."
With Thompson acting as a guide, three of them took 3mg. of ergonovine maleate, which appeared as a slightly phosphorescent bluish solution in water. Fifteen minutes later they felt like lying down and looking at the sky; then there were "very mild visual alterations, characterized by perception of an 'alive' quality in inanimate objects." Most of this effect passed within an hour; walking along the beach, they experienced mild leg cramps. Bigwood saw eidetic imagery before going to bed, and the three "slept easily...awakening refreshed in the morning."
The three experimenters were "convinced that ergonovine was psychoactive, but only J.B. was persuaded the drug was entheogenic." They decided to try it again two weeks later in an increased dosage of 5 mg., but Neely took only 3.75mg. "Again, we experienced lassitude and leg cramps, more pronounced than in the earlier experiment." The psychic effects were more intense than previously, particularly eidetic imagery. "Now it was clear to all of us that ergonovine was entheogenic...The entheogenic effects, however, were very mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. We had none of the euphoria characteristic of LSD and Psilocybin experiences."
To determine if higher consciousness alteration was possible, they tried larger oral doses of ergonovine maleate a week later. This time, Neely took a dose of 7.5mg and the others took 10mg:
"One of us (J.O.) described "flashes in periphery, ringing in ears, inner restlessness" 40 minutes after ingestion, and later noted "mild hallucinosis, cramps in legs and felt the cramping in the legs as painful and debilitating. The psychic effects did not increase with the same magnitude as the somatic effects...For what seemed like hours, we lay on our backs atop a small pumphouse, watching fluffy cumulus clouds pass silently above us. The effects were still quite intense six hours after ingestion. One of us experienced abundant eidetic imagery, rapidly-changing, colorful geometric patterns, undulating, never still. We all had a slight hangover the following morning."
In closing: morning glory compared with HBWR:
Please keep in mind that HBWR has high levels of ergometrine, causes cramping and vasoconstriction, ergometrine levels in morning glory for comparison is very low. Also, HBWR has no history of Shamanic use, whereas morning glory seed usage goes back several hundreds of years. HBWR only has history of medicinal use. HBWR also has high levels of LSA, very sedating and not really all that psychedelic at all. But yes, all studies published after 2011 indicate that no LSH has been found yet in HBWR.
This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.
No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine.
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LSA adducts: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/LSA_adducts

A couple trips using wine to extract collected from others (not myself):
Stripper and Todd Skinner's girfriend Krystal Cole's claviceps paspali (same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory) ergot wine experience from Chapter 17 THE BLOOD OF CHRIST from the book "Lysergic":
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Todd knelt down, holding an ornately decorated gold chalice. A magnificent piece to behold, exquisite. It pulsated with energy, spirituality. "Sherom Teleqot Masecot," he began his prayers in ancient Chaldean, and then moved on to a higher prayer. "Ebatone Neahmeh Nohhoaayow..." the language of the gods. Reverent peacefulness engulfed him as the words came forth. He turned to face me and drank several large gulps. Then bowed his head in silence as he passed me the chalice.
"What is it?" I was totally caught by surprise; we had not planned on tripping for awhile. Things had been far too crazy lately.
"It's ancient wine. Just try a sip."
"I don't know..." I didn't want to have a repeat of my DMT experience. My mind wasn't as prepared as it should be prior to a journey. Also, I had never seen him this spiritual before a trip. He never prayed or used a chalice any other time. Usually he would non-ceremonially weigh out the doses on his lab scale, and then simply pass them out. No ceremony, no prayers. Why the sudden change?
"Just try a small sip. It is time for you to be initiated into the order, you're ready. But I would kneel and say a prayer first if I was you. This one must be taken very seriously." His head bowed slightly but he still kept eye contact.
I was curious so I knelt down, even though my instincts were telling me not to. What order? The brotherhood maybe? And what was in the chalice? It couldn't really be ancient wine, could it? I examined the liquid; it looked and smelled just like red wine. Why not? I cautiously drank a small sip. It was thinner than normal wine and had a woody taste. The most interesting part was the way it tingled as it went down. A warming sensation filled my throat and stomach. "Okay I drank some, now what is it?"
"It's Ergot wine." He smiled slyly, knowing he had gotten one over on me.
"ERGOT WINE! Oh my God!" I was in shock. "Ergot can kill people. I wouldn't have taken it if I would have known what it was. It's St. Anthony's fire! It can make you lose body parts if you touch it! Oh, my God!" My head was spinning. How could he have not warned me?
"I knew you would react like this, that's why I just told you to drink it. You get so afraid sometimes. There is no need to be; you are safe." A slight giggle escaped from his lungs.
"Are you sure it's safe? Where did you get it?" My heart was racing.
"I made it when I was younger. I did an alcohol wash of the ergot fungus with the wine. Then I corked the bottles up and stored them. The ergot fungus will feed on the sugars in the wine, giving it the woody taste. I let them age for about ten years. It is best to wait a little longer, but I felt it was an appropriate time to open one anyway. Every year it ages, it will become a little less potent and easier to control the dose."
"How do you know what a safe dose is?" I was skeptical.
"Ergot is a fungus and a precursor for LSD. Ergot is interesting because we really don't know what happens to the alkaloid concentration over time. It moves around, changes. So the dose is guesswork."
"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.
" Yes, the priest who handed down the secret formula from generation to generation did a wine (or water with mint or peppermint leaves added, adds acidity and high in acetaldehyde) infusion of the ergot."
"I can feel it already."
"I started to see holographic symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head. I had never seen symbols before in a trip. They were translucent almost like glass. Empty space had taken on a form. They constantly rotated, allowing me to see all of their sides. A few of them looked like symbols from the zodiac. Others looked like Sanskrit, or Arabic. Some I have nothing to compare them to. Where did they come from? What did they mean?"
"Out of all my journeys, ergot was my most productive and therefore my best.
"The chalice and prayers peeked my curiousity. Why had he done it this time and no others? What was the meaning of it all? He was so careful with his words, his humble demeanor, and even how he held the chalice as he drank. I had seen communion in church before and knew symbolically this is what he had meant by it all.
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It's happening...I followed tregar's LSH tek but did not have the DL tartaric acid.
403 hand counted heavenly blue seeds or 12g ground and put to:
1/3 c cabernet, 1 oz whiskey, 2oz lemon juice
Kept ground seed mush extract in fridge with shaking for a while once every 15 minutes, then 45 minutes later, let seed mush fall to bottom for around 5 minutes, then filtered all the liquid above the mush in the jar thru 1/2 a cotton ball in a funnel like tregar did.
Some of it would not filter above the cotton, so I poured out the liquid above the cotton into a glass then changed out the cotton with another clean 1/2 cotton ball, and poured the solution back thru the cotton, then it would continue to filter, did this changing of cotton repeat 3 times till it all filtered, put back in fridge till I drank it.
See ya on the other side!
Well I had a wonderful time.
After drinking the liquid, I made a fire and waited about an hour and a half and was feeling light effects like enhanced senses and giddiness.
About 30 minutes after that, it hit hard. I was in my bedroom with the lights off listening to music when all of a sudden I felt very light. I looked at my hands and moved them side to side and saw brilliant colored paisley tracers in their wake. I caught glimpses of complex fractals inside the tracer smears. That was the first I've experienced tracers or seen fractals. Music was an adventure as well. It sounded very beautiful.
When I closed my eyes, I saw beautiful organic swirls, colored rotating geometrics, lattice like structures, faces, and shapes full of color going with the music. I opened my eyes and they remained if I wanted. I felt an omniscient divine presence the whole time. Every edge and outline of me and the world around me had a vibrant energy flow. My mind body connection was powerful. My mind environment connection just the same.
From onset till back to baseline was about 8 hours. I had excellent sleep and a nice after glow the next day. It felt as if I'd been optimized. Sorry it took long to get back to the thread, I needed a day to soak it all in.
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Floors Made of Water Under Dancing Stars, Morning Glory & Alcohol, by Psychopsilocybin:
DOSE: 8 g oral Morning Glory (extract) 24.75 oz oral Alcohol - Beer/Wine (liquid)
BODY WEIGHT: 190 lb
'Morning Glory Wine'
I have tried several different morning glory preparations now, including alcohol tinctures, eating ground up seeds, LSA conversion using peppermint oil, and cold water extracts, all of which have been a let down until my last attempt. This time, I used 24g of heavenly blue variety purchased in early spring from a local store, almost as soon as the new seed displays were set out for the year. I'm not sure, but I think part of my success this time may have come from buying the seeds before they sat in the summer heat causing the goodies to degrade.
After rinsing the seeds in soapy water, I placed them in a blender and added about a half a cup of distilled water. At this point, I turned off all of the lights, and lit a few candles on the other side of the room to provide just enough light to work by. Then I used the pulse setting to grind all of the seeds as best as I could. Next, I poured the ground seeds into an empty wine bottle made from a dark amber glass, and then poured an entire new bottle of red wine into the morning glory bottle. This mixture sat for three days, while being shook up twice a day or so. On the third day, the bottle was opened and the solid matter strained out. A small portion of the liquid was held under a black light to test for LSAs, but to my disappointment, it did not glow. My friends and I decided to give it a shot any way, and what happened next rocked my world.
0:00 The wine was divided into 3 nearly equal portions, and we all began to drink it slowly. My friends by the way, are both women about the same age as I am.
0:15 It doesn't taste especially great, but it is MUCH better than other morning glory preparations I've tried in the past. Still, my body seems to recognize the smell and I start to feel a bit nauseous. My friends however have had no experience with morning glory yet, and they aren't experiencing any nausea or stomach woes.
0:30 We are all still slowly sipping our drinks, but my past experiences with mg are starting to get to me, and I think I may vomit. I was swearing off ever trying morning glory again and thinking that this experience would be like all of my others where I spend 6 hours sick and never actually trip, when my friend tries to convince me that its just all in my head.
0:50 We are starting to notice lights becoming brighter and I get excited because I realize that it is actually working, My stomach has calmed down and no one feels the slightest bit of nausea or sickness, in fact, nobody did for the rest of the trip, no stomach cramps, or vomiting, nothing.
1:20 We finally finish all of our drinks and are starting to feel the effects, and decide to watch Yellow Submarine, which I had never seen before.
2:00 The effects are really beginning to kick in, everything seems to take on a glow, and lights are almost hard to look at because they seem so bright. None of us can control our laughter and we all describe a feeling of warmth over our bodies.
3:00 We are all incredibly happy and laughing at everything, and every now and then noticing small open eyed visuals. Everything looks 'pretty' and we spend time staring at random things like the colorful flowers printed on paper towels.
4:00 The trip peaked around this time, and we decided to go to the bedroom where they had a black light and glow in the dark stars glued to the walls. I have never hallucinated in my life like I did in that room. The wall seemed to disappear and the stars were floating in the air and dancing around. They glowed so bright and I was mesmerized for a moment, when one of my friends said that the floor was water and that we should jump into the boat, which was actually the bed, As soon as I looked down, I saw ripples in the floor by my feet, and it looked just like i was standing in water so I hopped in the bed and stared at the stars some more. I started to feel this strange since of innocence being shared by all of us, like we were all just kids playing and there was nothing wrong about us tripping out on one bed together.
4:10 We decided the 'boat' was moving too much so we swam back to the living room and watched another movie.
I have tried a few other hallucinogens, mushrooms, 2C-I, salvia, and dextromethorphan, but I have never felt anything like I did that night on morning glory. I was so happy, had an incredible body buzz, and amazing feeling of empathy. I can't describe, but somehow I felt just like I was a little kid again, there was no frustrating confusion like that of 2C-I or salvia, and there was no stomach pains or nausea, it was by far the most intense and incredible experience I have had yet, and look forward to trying it again one day.
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Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours..
A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract..
No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
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tregar said: LSH does make it to the brain, as injections of LSH remain stable in blood as confirmed by these studies:
From the wikipedia page about the Brain Blood Barrier:
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The blood-brain barrier ( BBB) is a highly selective semipermeable border of endothelial cells that regulates the transfer of solutes and chemicals between the circulatory system and the central nervous system, thus protecting the brain from harmful or unwanted substances in the blood.
The Barrier prevents many things in the blood from reaching the brain. The idea that you have, that if the chemical is in the blood then it reaches the brain, shows that you need to learn more about the barrier itself. It may be that LSH can enter the brain but I think that claim needs more evidence before it is presented as a fact. You already presented it as a fact that LSH needs acidic conditions or it is unstable and I pointed out that blood is not acidic.
Sorry if this is too aggressive or rude, but I study this topic a lot and have been rather frustrated with the information you keep putting out. Like the idea that the Aztec only used alcohol to extract Ipomoea seeds. It shows that you aren't familiar with Pulque or Chicha or the documented traditional preparation of grinding the seeds and using a cold water extraction on them.
Surely you have seen that the cold water preparation method was even photographed in Mexico among natives. Why would you ever claim that alcohol was the only thing used? I've not read any evidence that it was used to extract and the forms of alcohol used by the Aztec went bad fast and were only fermented for a day or two and were not stored. They don't keep long at all.
I don't have the time or the interest in continuing to address the many misconceptions in your posts, but many decades from now people are going to be dealing with the bad info you keep putting out today. You weren't nearly this bad at this 25 years ago. What happened to you man? I recall you reading and posting things as theory and asking questions back then and now today you present unproven concepts as fact.
I used to enjoy reading your posts but over the last 20 years they turned into something like psychedelic tabloid articles.
I'll probably not engage you again after this, no offense intended but I am not really interested in debating the topic with you. I'd just love to see you add the words "in theory" or "I think that" to things that are not proven. I'd also like you to read the papers you comment about and advise that learning about things like the blood carrying molecules to the brain and the biology of that could be useful to you. Your curiosity and drive to learn is a powerful asset that can work in your favor, but in theory that requires a more careful approach, or so I think.
Carry on old friend.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Nillion]
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Check out the super high levels of the CLAVINE called PENNICLAVINE (stimulating and most likely psychedelic according to 2 studies) found in heavenly blue morning glory seeds, also see high levels of LSH detected:

attached: "several alkaloids in morning glory found just as stimulating as LSD in animal experiments"
Yet another reason to extract with acidic water such as wine or water acidfied with lemon juice or DL tartaric acid, as most of these very stimulating clavines are only very slightly soluble in plain water:
From "The Alkaloids: Chemistry and Physiology", page 32: -------------------------------------------------------- "Penniclavine and Agroclavine are readily soluble in organic acids, penniclavine and agroclavine are stable to acids", wine stands as one of the sources of organic acids. Page 33 "Elymoclavine is only somewhat soluble in water". Peter Webster states in "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, the Secrets of Eleusis" in the morning glory chapter that Chanoclavine is soluble in alcohol.
From the 1957 paper "Extraction and Identification of Clavine and Lysergic acid alkaloids from morning glory": -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All members of the excitor group produced in all test animals a syndrome of central sympathetic excitation and elicited a stimulation of spontaneous activity. In this group, elymoclavine was the most potent stimulant and next come agroclavine, triseclavine, penniclavine, and LSD which are almost equipotent, as judged by the degree of symptoms exhibited in the same dose. The arousal effect of elymoclavine or agroclavine on reserpine-sedation was superior to that of LSD.
Animal experiments have shown that penniclavine, elymoclavine, lysergol, LSD and several other ergot alkaloids such as agroclavine, triseclavine, and lysergene have excitory effects on the central nervous system (Note 1: Yui & Takeo, 1957) as well as lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) which also excites the central nervous system in animals (Note 2: Glasser, 1961).
There is also an interesting on-line interview with the LSD chemist Bear Owsley where he hits on a derivative of LSD that the ancients may have discovered and prepared for the Eleusis mystery quoted here: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Owsley: Claviceps paspali ergot, same alkaloid profile as morning glory contains many natural, highly psychedelic alkaloids. Iso-ergine is one of them, Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide or LSH is another one, and in fact, is considered nearly identical to LSD in effect. Albert Hoffman told me so himself. They believe that it was this derivative contained in extracts of c.paspali which grows on certain grass that was used in the Eleusian Mysteries.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
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Nillion, my wife was able to fix the broken laptop by replacing the external power supply cord/box and now it works, it was broke for over a year, so I am now able to retrieve the 2014 study by Paulke and will post soon. I had thought that since I heard a popping noise when the laptop died that it was a group or single capacitor in the power supply that exploded internally, but it turns out it was the external power cord adapter box.
I see your point in that there are 2 conflicting studies both from Forensic Sci, we will get down to the bottom of this. One shows LSH, the other shows no LSH in HBWR.
This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.
No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine.
Just for the record, I am not against the use of HBWR for making LSI, there is a lot of LSA in HBWR that can be converted to LSI, just that HBWR also has high level of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, in fact if you read a several years post by 69ron on his HBWR experiments mixed with peppermint tea (levels of isovaleraldehyde are found in peppermint tea), he experienced profound LSD like effects for quite some time, but the cramping was bothersome from the ergometrine. Just watch the dosage. HBWR has around 17% ergometrine while morning glory seeds only contain around 3% ergometrine.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 2
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Tregar you are a legend and this substance is fan-fucking-tastic.
It's the best drug there is.
I call it Wonder.
It makes me feel like a kid again. Cures me of my ills. It has no comedown or edgy amphetamine side effects. It has all of the love of MDMA. And all of the magic of LSD.
In my opinion (and I am a doctor) this is the MOST THERAPEUTIC psychedic drug by a long way. Psilocybin has proved to be a fairly effective depression treatment. Well this is lots better. Wanna microdose? Take this is better than whatever you take.
So far I've had a few different experiences. Initially I was trying morning glory seeds but having poor extraction efficiency and I was getting vasoconstriction and sedation. So I moved to HBWR. With HBWR and room-temperature extraction with IVA I had extreme euphoria and moderate psychedelia. These experiments (2 of them) coined the term Wonder. Just insane eye-shaking euphoria. Music euphoria times a million. Bad abdominal side effects though. I did another extraction with warmer grape juice, probably reached about 45C in the blender. And IVA. 12 HBWR seeds. This produced some of the strongest psychedelia I've had in my life. ego death looking in the mirror. This was amazing. Visuals were very strong. In these experiences I often had excessive urination from the cardiac glycoside like molecules in the seed shell. It was scary. I also had strange cardiac effects and a toxic feeling. I did, however, have NO vasoconstriction.
I re-tried an experiment where I removed the isovaleraldehyde from half of the extraction mixture. I also dehydrated myself before hand because of previous experience with vasoconstriction and excessive-urination. It caused me to go into a very painful transient kidney failure. Thought I might die.
So I returned to MG seeds. Have done this once. 300 seeds. Sprouting and braining Tek. Blended with IVA and reacted for 4 hours at room temp. Strained poorly. Was very slow. Need to vacuum filter in future. Or just not bother.
Consumed. WONDER. Glorious euphoria and moderate psychedelia. Much weaker than 12 HBWRs.
Tregar: I think that with sufficient reaction temperature isovaleraldehyde would also react with ergometrine. So it is possible, with heating to 50C for example, that the ergometrine could be eliminated.
However HBWR seems to me to have a much higher toxicity profile overall. The risk of a high ergometrine dose means that women should NOT take HBWR imo. Morning Glory seeds, esepcially when shelled, however, seem much safer.
Wonder wonder wonder wonder
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Mushroom-G] 1
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
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i've put this elsewhere. but man, i used 5 HBWR seeds following Tregar's directions in the fridge with just half a fresh lemon and distilled water. 12hrs in the fridge in a small like 4oz jar wrapped in foil. it i took this in 3 quick shots, ate a total of approx 30mg thc in homemade cannabutter, and made tea out of 4.5g of 1.5 year old cubes. i took the tea about 1.2 hrs after ingesting the lsa/i.
this ended up being one of the best psychedelic experiences i've had. and i've had a couple hundred at least. top ten at i'm saying.
cheers
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
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Thought I might die.

Hydrate or diedrate 😂
Also, avoid HBWR...
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Jim I.T.I] 1
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Jim I.T.I said: and made tea out of 4.5g of 1.5 year old cubes. i took the tea about 1.2 hrs after ingesting the lsa/i.
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There's just something about being on Wonder that makes you wanna take more psychedelics
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Mushroom-G]
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Tregar you are a legend and this substance is fan-fucking-tastic.
It's the best drug there is.
I call it Wonder.
It makes me feel like a kid again. Cures me of my ills. It has no comedown or edgy amphetamine side effects. It has all of the love of MDMA. And all of the magic of LSD.
In my opinion (and I am a doctor) this is the MOST THERAPEUTIC psychedic drug by a long way. Psilocybin has proved to be a fairly effective depression treatment. Well this is lots better. Wanna microdose? Take this is better than whatever you take.
So far I've had a few different experiences. Initially I was trying morning glory seeds but having poor extraction efficiency and I was getting vasoconstriction and sedation. So I moved to HBWR. With HBWR and room-temperature extraction with IVA I had extreme euphoria and moderate psychedelia. These experiments (2 of them) coined the term Wonder. Just insane eye-shaking euphoria. Music euphoria times a million. Bad abdominal side effects though. I did another extraction with warmer grape juice, probably reached about 45C in the blender. And IVA. 12 HBWR seeds. This produced some of the strongest psychedelia I've had in my life. ego death looking in the mirror. This was amazing. Visuals were very strong. In these experiences I often had excessive urination from the cardiac glycoside like molecules in the seed shell. It was scary. I also had strange cardiac effects and a toxic feeling. I did, however, have NO vasoconstriction.
I re-tried an experiment where I removed the isovaleraldehyde from half of the extraction mixture. I also dehydrated myself before hand because of previous experience with vasoconstriction and excessive-urination. It caused me to go into a very painful transient kidney failure. Thought I might die.
So I returned to MG seeds. Have done this once. 300 seeds. Sprouting and braining Tek. Blended with IVA and reacted for 4 hours at room temp. Strained poorly. Was very slow. Need to vacuum filter in future. Or just not bother.
Consumed. WONDER. Glorious euphoria and moderate psychedelia. Much weaker than 12 HBWRs.
Tregar: I think that with sufficient reaction temperature isovaleraldehyde would also react with ergometrine. So it is possible, with heating to 50C for example, that the ergometrine could be eliminated.
However HBWR seems to me to have a much higher toxicity profile overall. The risk of a high ergometrine dose means that women should NOT take HBWR imo. Morning Glory seeds, esepcially when shelled, however, seem much safer.
Wonder wonder wonder wonder
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i've put this elsewhere. but man, i used 5 HBWR seeds following Tregar's directions in the fridge with just half a fresh lemon and distilled water. 12hrs in the fridge in a small like 4oz jar wrapped in foil. it i took this in 3 quick shots, ate a total of approx 30mg thc in homemade cannabutter, and made tea out of 4.5g of 1.5 year old cubes. i took the tea about 1.2 hrs after ingesting the lsa/i.
this ended up being one of the best psychedelic experiences i've had. and i've had a couple hundred at least. top ten at i'm saying.
cheers
HBWR second try, from Jim I.T.I
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28440282#28440282
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tregar when is your book due to come out?
Question about the order of operations:
You mention - grinding the seeds - adding shots of Sherry - adding DL tartaric acid - adding acetic acid or apple cider vinegar
Then later after seeds are sifted out - adding lemon juice/peppermint leaves/oil (or isoveraldehyde drops) - adding more apple cider vinegar as catylist
Forgive me if I misquoted or got something wrong, but the point of my question is…. Does order matter, or can I simply mix all of these in one operation?
What’s your opinion on seeds vs sprouts?
seeds only, sprouts don't work in my experience.
Within this year the book will be out, working with a lawyer to keep my author identity hidden even with a pen name. Thanks for asking. It's expensive legal work.
Check out these last few posts from others here on page 23: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/fpart/23/vc/1
Lemon juice contains levels of isovaleraldehyde just like peppermint oils and herbal peppermint teas.
Others have had success adding everything at one time, I prefer to do it in stages, just always remember to extract your seeds using wine only, if you try to extract with just water, you will end up with an emulsion that will never separate in the fridge. I've got this down to where it only takes 3 hours in the fridge for the separation of the seed mass from the wine for zero nausea. The fridge does all the work filtering. I prefer in the last step to stir the zero nausea mg or HBWR liquid several shot wine extract with the drops of isovaleraldehyde for 1 hour (temp does not matter as the boiling point of isovaleraldehyde is very high) then consume.
I prolonged releasing the book cause as a chemist I'm able to easily obtain isovaleraldehyde chemical, and even ordered some straight to my home when it was readily available to anyone via a place that sold it on line to anyone (see page 1 for a pic of bottle with where it came from on the label). However, as it stands, all places refuse to sell the chemical to a residential address, and India no longer produces the chemical for anyone on-line via that place mentioned on label of chemical. The place is H*Med** Even *mazon carried it for a while before running out of stock from India. The lack of the chemical posed a problem as I wanted this easily available to all the public. Maybe someday someone will step up and offer in at auction or similar. It's completely legal.
In the meantime, people will have to resort to using lemon juice or a combination of lemon juice and/or peppermint oils and herbal teas for the limited amounts of isovaleraldhyde in those materials.
LSI trip report made from MG seeds: on my 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.
LSI still remains at the top of my list for one of my all time favorite psychedelics next to mescaline, it's earthy and natural compared to man-made LSD and has none of the metallic feel or man-made feeling of LSD, most likely because it also targets the 3 adrenal receptors that mescaline, dmt and shrooms also target compared to LSD which only targets a2a receptor in comparison. I use LSI at least once a month and tripped on it over 2 years time already, absolutely gorgeous experience...I love to combine it with bridgesii tea. The combo of the two is my favorite, I've drank cactus tea at least 150 times over a couple decades.
--> go to the top of this page 23 and you will also find at least 10 more reports of people having excellent trips when using lemon juice for their HBWR or MG extraction...and those using wine combo with lemon juice extraction. The order of the extraction does not seem to be important: mix all at once or do in stages, I prefer to extract with wine first, then add the isovaleraldehyde or lemon juice or peppermint mixes and spin around 1 hour at high speed with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar for the condensation catalyst to form the LSI and LSH.
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779] 1
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Re: LASH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
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The researchers administered LSH to test subject in 2021, and recorded the radioligand binding data of the LSH to her brain: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
LSH was written about by Dr. Albert Hofmann (discoverer of LSD) in his book "LSD, my problem child" and "plants of the gods" and the good doctor gives colored descriptions of LSH twice in each book (below). LSA is sedating and non-psychedelic and is a breakdown product of LSH over time (time + heat) as described in the recent 2016 Polish morning glory study (1st photo).
LSH being a labile adduct also breaks down to LSA if not extracted into acidic solution like wine or lemon juice or peppermint oils or teas. Plain water will break it down to LSA. LSH is labile (unstable) and requires care to extract it or reform it, same with LSI. Like tregar recited on post #1 with pic, the Ancient Mayan and Aztec always extracted into balche, a wine or alcohol they made themselves.
Tregar is a chemist, and one of the jobs of a chemist is to keep up with all recent published chemical research studies.

Tregar said: "2nd to Last photo above: From Mehra, R.K & Panya, K.C. 1938, The condensation of aldehydes with amides - part III, the condensation of cinnamaldehyde with acetamide. Proc Natl Acad Sci India Phys Sci 7(6). 376-380
NOTE: from paper: Acetamide (very similar to LSA) when cinnamaldehyde adduct added, forms: N,N'cinnamylidenediacetamide just as LSA + isovaleraldehyde forms LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldamide. RATS RESPOND TO 3-aminopentane (same molecular weight as isovaleraldehyde and same same number of carbons and hydrogens as the 3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2 chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO
Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin or dmt with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see last pic 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD."
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tregar, it seems like Owsley never actually said anything about 'LSH': https://www.reddit.com/r/LSA/comments/16hchew/correction_owsley_never_said_anything_about_lah/

I recall tregar saying that Owsley was not the only LSD chemist, here is an ergot wine trip report from girlfriend Krystal Cole prepared by modern day LSD chemist Todd Skinner. This LSD chemist went one step further and did not just "talk the talk" but "walk the walk" in that he prepared ergot wine in jugs he stored away that he used throughout his lifetime:
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Stripper and Todd Skinner's girfriend Krystal Cole's claviceps paspali (same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory) ergot wine experience from Chapter 17 THE BLOOD OF CHRIST from the book "Lysergic": Todd Skinner and William Leonard Pickard were famous LSD chemists with the underground bunker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Leonard_Pickard Quote:
Todd knelt down, holding an ornately decorated gold chalice. A magnificent piece to behold, exquisite. It pulsated with energy, spirituality. "Sherom Teleqot Masecot," he began his prayers in ancient Chaldean, and then moved on to a higher prayer. "Ebatone Neahmeh Nohhoaayow..." the language of the gods. Reverent peacefulness engulfed him as the words came forth. He turned to face me and drank several large gulps. Then bowed his head in silence as he passed me the chalice.
"What is it?" I was totally caught by surprise; we had not planned on tripping for awhile. Things had been far too crazy lately.
"It's ancient wine. Just try a sip."
"I don't know..." I didn't want to have a repeat of my DMT experience. My mind wasn't as prepared as it should be prior to a journey. Also, I had never seen him this spiritual before a trip. He never prayed or used a chalice any other time. Usually he would non-ceremonially weigh out the doses on his lab scale, and then simply pass them out. No ceremony, no prayers. Why the sudden change?
"Just try a small sip. It is time for you to be initiated into the order, you're ready. But I would kneel and say a prayer first if I was you. This one must be taken very seriously." His head bowed slightly but he still kept eye contact.
I was curious so I knelt down, even though my instincts were telling me not to. What order? The brotherhood maybe? And what was in the chalice? It couldn't really be ancient wine, could it? I examined the liquid; it looked and smelled just like red wine. Why not? I cautiously drank a small sip. It was thinner than normal wine and had a woody taste. The most interesting part was the way it tingled as it went down. A warming sensation filled my throat and stomach. "Okay I drank some, now what is it?"
"It's Ergot wine." He smiled slyly, knowing he had gotten one over on me.
"ERGOT WINE! Oh my God!" I was in shock. "Ergot can kill people. I wouldn't have taken it if I would have known what it was. It's St. Anthony's fire! It can make you lose body parts if you touch it! Oh, my God!" My head was spinning. How could he have not warned me?
"I knew you would react like this, that's why I just told you to drink it. You get so afraid sometimes. There is no need to be; you are safe." A slight giggle escaped from his lungs.
"Are you sure it's safe? Where did you get it?" My heart was racing.
"I made it when I was younger. I did an alcohol wash of the ergot fungus with the wine. Then I corked the bottles up and stored them. The ergot fungus will feed on the sugars in the wine, giving it the woody taste. I let them age for about ten years. It is best to wait a little longer, but I felt it was an appropriate time to open one anyway. Every year it ages, it will become a little less potent and easier to control the dose."
"How do you know what a safe dose is?" I was skeptical.
"Ergot is a fungus and a precursor for LSD. Ergot is interesting because we really don't know what happens to the alkaloid concentration over time. It moves around, changes. So the dose is guesswork."
"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.
"Yes, the priest who handed down the secret formula from generation to generation did a wine infusion of the ergot."
"I can feel it already."
"I started to see holographic symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head. I had never seen symbols before in a trip. They were translucent almost like glass. Empty space had taken on a form. They constantly rotated, allowing me to see all of their sides. A few of them looked like symbols from the zodiac. Others looked like Sanskrit, or Arabic. Some I have nothing to compare them to. Where did they come from? What did they mean?"
"Out of all my journeys, ergot was my most productive and therefore my best.
"The chalice and prayers peeked my curiousity. Why had he done it this time and no others? What was the meaning of it all? He was so careful with his words, his humble demeanor, and even how he held the chalice as he drank. I had seen communion in church before and knew symbolically this is what he had meant by it all.
mushroom-g said:
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Tregar you are a legend and this substance is fan-fucking-tastic.
It's the best drug there is.
I call it Wonder.
It makes me feel like a kid again. Cures me of my ills. It has no comedown or edgy amphetamine side effects. It has all of the love of MDMA. And all of the magic of LSD.
In my opinion (and I am a doctor) this is the MOST THERAPEUTIC psychedic drug by a long way. Psilocybin has proved to be a fairly effective depression treatment. Well this is lots better. Wanna microdose? Take this is better than whatever you take.
So far I've had a few different experiences. Initially I was trying morning glory seeds but having poor extraction efficiency and I was getting vasoconstriction and sedation. So I moved to HBWR. With HBWR and room-temperature extraction with IVA I had extreme euphoria and moderate psychedelia. These experiments (2 of them) coined the term Wonder. Just insane eye-shaking euphoria. Music euphoria times a million. Bad abdominal side effects though. I did another extraction with warmer grape juice, probably reached about 45C in the blender. And IVA. 12 HBWR seeds. This produced some of the strongest psychedelia I've had in my life. ego death looking in the mirror. This was amazing. Visuals were very strong. In these experiences I often had excessive urination from the cardiac glycoside like molecules in the seed shell. It was scary. I also had strange cardiac effects and a toxic feeling. I did, however, have NO vasoconstriction.
I re-tried an experiment where I removed the isovaleraldehyde from half of the extraction mixture. I also dehydrated myself before hand because of previous experience with vasoconstriction and excessive-urination. It caused me to go into a very painful transient kidney failure. Thought I might die.
So I returned to MG seeds. Have done this once. 300 seeds. Sprouting and braining Tek. Blended with IVA and reacted for 4 hours at room temp. Strained poorly. Was very slow. Need to vacuum filter in future. Or just not bother.
Consumed. WONDER. Glorious euphoria and moderate psychedelia. Much weaker than 12 HBWRs.
Tregar: I think that with sufficient reaction temperature isovaleraldehyde would also react with ergometrine. So it is possible, with heating to 50C for example, that the ergometrine could be eliminated.
However HBWR seems to me to have a much higher toxicity profile overall. The risk of a high ergometrine dose means that women should NOT take HBWR imo. Morning Glory seeds, esepcially when shelled, however, seem much safer.
Wonder wonder wonder wonder
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Jim I.T.I said:
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i've put this elsewhere. but man, i used 5 HBWR seeds following Tregar's directions in the fridge with just half a fresh lemon and distilled water. 12hrs in the fridge in a small like 4oz jar wrapped in foil. it i took this in 3 quick shots, ate a total of approx 30mg thc in homemade cannabutter, and made tea out of 4.5g of 1.5 year old cubes. i took the tea about 1.2 hrs after ingesting the lsa/i.
this ended up being one of the best psychedelic experiences i've had. and i've had a couple hundred at least. top ten at i'm saying.
cheers
HBWR second try, from Jim I.T.I
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28440282#28440282
Kash:
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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil (contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops, editors note: and contains even more isovaleraldehyde) yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
p.s if you read post #2, you will see that ALL the best MG trip reports involved adding fresh lemon juice, examples below, this is because LEMON JUICE ALSO contains isovaleraldehyde:
vespiary:
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Having read someone's description of a cold water extraction with added lemon juice, I decided to try it one day. I've tried this method several times and will describe my best trip to date following these notes…
I've found that the ideal dose for my body weight (5'9, 200 lb.) is 30 grams of seeds. I TRIPPED HARD AS HELL.
I saw geometric patterns in everything…
It ranked up there with the best trips of my life, and that includes Mescaline, LSD, and Mushrooms. The trip lasted for about 8 hours and seemed to peak at about 3 hours. Unlike an acid trip where I peak rapidly and then come down fast, this is more like I peak slowly, level off, and then come down slow. I am always in control of my faculties.
Hermes (Lycaeum):
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With a 400 morning glory seed extract into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice, I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything! I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing.
I also find that I can control the imagery by an act of will. Anything I intend to visualize comes forth and then goes beyond what I had imagined and then transforms into something else. This is great for artists! I could swear that on one occasion while listening to Mozart's Requiem, Heaven itself opened up inside my skull! It was incredible! OH, THE BEAUTY! I saw glorious celestial architecture and there were seraphs singing along with the chorus in the music. I just can't even begin to describe what this was like.
I had tears streaming down my face. I was in the highest ecstacy I have ever known. And all of this with a nothing more than a good mindset, good music, and only about 500 seeds. I'll never forget it. It was probably all in my imagination, programmed by my Catholic upbringing. I don't know and don't really care where it came from. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I still feel great joy when I think of it. I felt so whole!
My comment: Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf.
Hermes (lycaeum March 2003) on morning glory visuals & strength, extracted into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice:
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Depending on seed quality, you should get some weak to decent effects from 8 grams, like mild reality bending, marked enhancement of aesthetic perception, insights, weak open eye visuals, moderate but subtle closed eye visuals (especially with music). I find that more satisfactory results are achieved with more seeds, like 14 grams or more. This much is needed to enter truly psychedelic territory. I wouldn't recommend this much if you haven't tried lower doses with the same seeds and method, however.
I usually just measure by Burpee bags. These are 1.8 grams each. I have used anything ranging from 3 to 12 of these. Strangely, the 12 bag trip was relatively weak. They must have been some old seeds. My strongest experience ever with MG seeds was with the Martha Stewart brand from K-Mart. I had strong effects, with good open eye visuals, on only 300 seeds! I used a cold water extraction with some added lemon juice, but the alcoholic extract by Stretchman also here at the Lycaeum I tried was the strongest.
I had strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are about 32-36 seeds to a gram. The Martha Stewarts are more expensive than the Burpees. They are like $1.30 a bag or something close to that for a 1.2 gram bag. The Burpees are something like $0.88 a bag and each bag has 1.8 grams. That's $2.05 a gram for Martha Stewart seeds and $0.92 a gram for Burpee seeds. It seems to be a trade off.
My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.
Nogal (the Nook):
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Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin).
My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.
dmthead420:
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Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours..
A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract..
No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same.
Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019:
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Years ago I stumbled across a simple method for dosing HBWR. Grind the seeds and cover them with white wine, let sit in the fridge for a day or so, shaking occasionally, decant, filter and drink. No nausea no aches no vasoconstriction. I am now off alcohol completely so I’m thinking of an alternative method short of a full on extraction. I’m convinced that something in the wine besides water and alcohol is what makes the trip so clean. I’ve tried twelve percent water alcohol mixes in the past and still had the nasty side effects and at the same time the trip is not as strong. I’m thinking acetaldehyde and or tartaric acid may be involved or at least a good place to start. Any thought on what chemically may be going on?
Red22:
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"This paper states tha "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/
ItBeBasidia Posted 14 December 2020, he posted in the "morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD like drugs, soluble in alcohol or wine, only slightly soluble in water" thread at Mycotopia:
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It's happening...I followed tregar's LSH tek but did not have the DL tartaric acid.
403 hand counted heavenly blue seeds or 12g ground and put to:
1/3 c cabernet, 1 oz whiskey, 2oz lemon juice
Kept ground seed mush extract in fridge with shaking for a while once every 15 minutes, then 45 minutes later, let seed mush fall to bottom for around 5 minutes, then filtered all the liquid above the mush in the jar thru 1/2 a cotton ball in a funnel like tregar did.
Some of it would not filter above the cotton, so I poured out the liquid above the cotton into a glass then changed out the cotton with another clean 1/2 cotton ball, and poured the solution back thru the cotton, then it would continue to filter, did this changing of cotton repeat 3 times till it all filtered, put back in fridge till I drank it.
See ya on the other side!
Well I had a wonderful time.
After drinking the liquid, I made a fire and waited about an hour and a half and was feeling light effects like enhanced senses and giddiness.
About 30 minutes after that, it hit hard. I was in my bedroom with the lights off listening to music when all of a sudden I felt very light. I looked at my hands and moved them side to side and saw brilliant colored paisley tracers in their wake. I caught glimpses of complex fractals inside the tracer smears. That was the first I've experienced tracers or seen fractals. Music was an adventure as well. It sounded very beautiful.
When I closed my eyes, I saw beautiful organic swirls, colored rotating geometrics, lattice like structures, faces, and shapes full of color going with the music. I opened my eyes and they remained if I wanted. I felt an omniscient divine presence the whole time. Every edge and outline of me and the world around me had a vibrant energy flow. My mind body connection was powerful. My mind environment connection just the same.
From onset till back to baseline was about 8 hours. I had excellent sleep and a nice after glow the next day. It felt as if I'd been optimized. Sorry it took long to get back to the thread, I needed a day to soak it all in.
Floors Made of Water Under Dancing Stars Morning Glory & Alcohol https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=95057 by Psychopsilocybin:
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Citation: Psychopsilocybin. "Floors Made of Water Under Dancing Stars: An Experience with Morning Glory & Alcohol (exp95057)". Erowid.org. Jul 10, 2017. erowid.org/exp/95057
DOSE: 8 g oral Morning Glory (extract) 24.75 oz oral Alcohol - Beer/Wine (liquid) BODY WEIGHT: 190 lb 'Morning Glory Wine'
I have tried several different morning glory preparations now, including alcohol tinctures, eating ground up seeds, LSA conversion using peppermint oil, and cold water extracts, all of which have been a let down until my last attempt. This time, I used 24g of heavenly blue variety purchased in early spring from a local store, almost as soon as the new seed displays were set out for the year. I'm not sure, but I think part of my success this time may have come from buying the seeds before they sat in the summer heat causing the goodies to degrade.
After rinsing the seeds in soapy water, I placed them in a blender and added about a half a cup of distilled water. At this point, I turned off all of the lights, and lit a few candles on the other side of the room to provide just enough light to work by. Then I used the pulse setting to grind all of the seeds as best as I could. Next, I poured the ground seeds into an empty wine bottle made from a dark amber glass, and then poured an entire new bottle of red wine into the morning glory bottle. This mixture sat for three days, while being shook up twice a day or so. On the third day, the bottle was opened and the solid matter strained out. A small portion of the liquid was held under a black light to test for LSAs, but to my disappointment, it did not glow. My friends and I decided to give it a shot any way, and what happened next rocked my world.
0:00 The wine was divided into 3 nearly equal portions, and we all began to drink it slowly. My friends by the way, are both women about the same age as I am.
0:15 It doesn't taste especially great, but it is MUCH better than other morning glory preparations I've tried in the past. Still, my body seems to recognize the smell and I start to feel a bit nauseous. My friends however have had no experience with morning glory yet, and they aren't experiencing any nausea or stomach woes.
0:30 We are all still slowly sipping our drinks, but my past experiences with mg are starting to get to me, and I think I may vomit. I was swearing off ever trying morning glory again and thinking that this experience would be like all of my others where I spend 6 hours sick and never actually trip, when my friend tries to convince me that its just all in my head.
0:50 We are starting to notice lights becoming brighter and I get excited because I realize that it is actually working, My stomach has calmed down and no one feels the slightest bit of nausea or sickness, in fact, nobody did for the rest of the trip, no stomach cramps, or vomiting, nothing.
1:20 We finally finish all of our drinks and are starting to feel the effects, and decide to watch Yellow Submarine, which I had never seen before.
2:00 The effects are really beginning to kick in, everything seems to take on a glow, and lights are almost hard to look at because they seem so bright. None of us can control our laughter and we all describe a feeling of warmth over our bodies.
3:00 We are all incredibly happy and laughing at everything, and every now and then noticing small open eyed visuals. Everything looks 'pretty' and we spend time staring at random things like the colorful flowers printed on paper towels.
4:00 The trip peaked around this time, and we decided to go to the bedroom where they had a black light and glow in the dark stars glued to the walls. I have never hallucinated in my life like I did in that room. The wall seemed to disappear and the stars were floating in the air and dancing around. They glowed so bright and I was mesmerized for a moment, when one of my friends said that the floor was water and that we should jump into the boat, which was actually the bed, As soon as I looked down, I saw ripples in the floor by my feet, and it looked just like i was standing in water so I hopped in the bed and stared at the stars some more. I started to feel this strange since of innocence being shared by all of us, like we were all just kids playing and there was nothing wrong about us tripping out on one bed together.
4:10 We decided the 'boat' was moving too much so we swam back to the living room and watched another movie.
I have tried a few other hallucinogens, mushrooms, 2C-I, salvia, and dextromethorphan, but I have never felt anything like I did that night on morning glory. I was so happy, had an incredible body buzz, and amazing feeling of empathy. I can't describe, but somehow I felt just like I was a little kid again, there was no frustrating confusion like that of 2C-I or salvia, and there was no stomach pains or nausea, it was by far the most intense and incredible experience I have had yet, and look forward to trying it again one day.
Exp Year: 1991 ExpID: 95057 Gender: Male Age at time of experience: 22 Published: Jul 10, 2017 Views: 3,553
From 69ron "recipes for Organic LSD (LSH)" https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5733
69ron: "I know some of you out there are apt to believe the statements above because you've failed at making LSH and those statements above help you feel better about you're failure. Don't fall victim to that kind of crap. Try it again. Find out what you did wrong. When it works, the difference is HUGE, not a tiny difference, the experience is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I know the effects of LSA and LSD very well. He’s used them many times. He guarantees that when the reaction works, there is NO NOTICEABLE LSA left at all in the experience. It becomes almost identical to an LSD experience at low doses. Totally different from LSA.
According to Albert Hofmann (the inventor of LSD), LSH is an adduct of LSA and acetaldehyde. Adducts are very simple to make. You just mix them in solution, that's all.
The effect of adding acetaldehyde is HUGE. I cannot feel any leftover LSA when the process is done right. So, like I said, I think those guys don't know what they're talking about and I believe Hoffman does, and that LSH is an adduct of LSA and acetaldehyde and nothing more. No complex reaction is needed to make it. You just mix the two together and LSH forms. And I believe all of the LSA forms LSH, not just a small amount of it because you cannot feel any of the effects of LSA after this is done right.
When the conversion from LSA to LSH is complete it feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. The reason some people can't tell the difference is because their conversion failed. The difference in effects are night and day. No one would ever think the effects of LSH are anything at all like LSA. It's that different."
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seeds only, sprouts don't work in my experience.
Within this year the book will be out, working with a lawyer to keep my author identity hidden even with a pen name. Thanks for asking. It's expensive legal work.
Check out these last few posts from others here on page 23: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/fpart/23/vc/1
Lemon juice contains levels of isovaleraldehyde just like peppermint oils and herbal peppermint teas.
Others have had success adding everything at one time, I prefer to do it in stages, just always remember to extract your seeds using wine only, if you try to extract with just water, you will end up with an emulsion that will never separate in the fridge. I've got this down to where it only takes 3 hours in the fridge for the separation of the seed mass from the wine for zero nausea. The fridge does all the work filtering. I prefer in the last step to stir the zero nausea mg or HBWR liquid several shot wine extract with the drops of isovaleraldehyde for 1 hour (temp does not matter as the boiling point of isovaleraldehyde is very high) then consume.
I prolonged releasing the book cause as a chemist I'm able to easily obtain isovaleraldehyde chemical, and even ordered some straight to my home when it was readily available to anyone via a place that sold it on line to anyone (see page 1 for a pic of bottle with where it came from on the label). However, as it stands, all places refuse to sell the chemical to a residential address, and India no longer produces the chemical for anyone on-line via that place mentioned on label of chemical. The place is H*Med** Even *mazon carried it for a while before running out of stock from India. The lack of the chemical posed a problem as I wanted this easily available to all the public. Maybe someday someone will step up and offer in at auction or similar. It's completely legal.
In the meantime, people will have to resort to using lemon juice or a combination of lemon juice and/or peppermint oils and herbal teas for the limited amounts of isovaleraldhyde in those materials.
LSI trip report made from MG seeds: on my 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.
LSI still remains at the top of my list for one of my all time favorite psychedelics next to mescaline, it's earthy and natural compared to man-made LSD and has none of the metallic feel or man-made feeling of LSD, most likely because it also targets the 3 adrenal receptors that mescaline, dmt and shrooms also target compared to LSD which only targets a2a receptor in comparison. I use LSI at least once a month and tripped on it over 2 years time already, absolutely gorgeous experience...I love to combine it with bridgesii tea. The combo of the two is my favorite, I've drank cactus tea at least 150 times over a couple decades.
--> go to the top of this page 23 and you will also find at least 10 more reports of people having excellent trips when using lemon juice for their HBWR or MG extraction...and those using wine combo with lemon juice extraction. The order of the extraction does not seem to be important: mix all at once or do in stages, I prefer to extract with wine first, then add the isovaleraldehyde or lemon juice or peppermint mixes and spin around 1 hour at high speed with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar for the condensation catalyst to form the LSI and LSH.
Above quotes from top of this page 23 that tregar recited from those who used fresh lemon juice or peppermint teas or oils which contain levels of isovaleraldehyde
Top of page 23 instructions:
--> How to make the ZERO NAUSEA morning glory wine which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds: <--
Page 17 Pics on how to make the easy zero nausea wine: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/fpart/17/vc/1
Blast from the past from chemist and bodybuilder tregar:
https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/journal-50-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-journeys-over-a-years-time.363967/

https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/sublingual-ayahuasca-journey-57.365063/
Edited by Eva radke (03/05/24 11:57 AM)
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