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ballsalsa
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It's war season
#28639039 - 01/29/24 07:44 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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So it seems to me that these things move in cycles where war gets romanticized and then various actors start some wars. Then things shake out however they do, everyone is traumatized and people aren't so gung-ho for wars for awhile. Then, after enough time has passed that the participants don't have to worry about personally fighting in another war, the cycle repeats with new soldiers who weren't around to remember how shitty the last war was. That may be a little over simplified but yeah, we got several wars popping off right now with more in the pipeline so buckle up because I'm pretty sure this next decade is gonna suck ass.
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i think it's more psychobiological than anything- our oxytocin driven bodies find more comfort in repeating the ancient patterns of violent tribalism than they do in the ennui of peacetime.
as for the new wars- nation-states and borders are failures and people will keep wanting to draw bigger borders for smaller "Us"es.
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I think the collective memory is shorter than even that, which is not to say that these decisions are made with that sentiment in mind.
We just FINALLY “left” Afghanistan after decades, ostensibly because people were over it. Not even one presidential term later and we got troops back in Iraq, Syria never really ended, we’re going to inevitably invade Yemen, and the standard “it is now once again time to nuke Iran before they nuke us” is back in swing.
This is of course not mentioning the horrors unfolding in Gaza, which is by any objective measure sinking Biden’s poll numbers, and the Democrats are undeterred.
Even the most cynical people here say that progress requires pragmatism, and that certain bad things must be done to win elections. Which, stupid, in my opinion, but I can at least understand the rationale. However, when the Democrats do something evil that ALSO sinks their electoral chances, we are told that action is still pragmatic somehow?
I didn’t even bring up Ukraine, the liberal dream war wherein we defend Europe from jackboot Russian thugs, another conflict in which Americans are rapidly losing patience. I just don’t get how anyone can look at this stuff unfold and conclude it’s either good or necessary, let alone a reflection of popular sentiment.
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The Ecstatic said: I just don’t get how anyone can look at this stuff unfold and conclude it’s either good or necessary, let alone a reflection of popular sentiment.
You don't see how a Ukrainian could look at the Russian invasion and see the necessity in defending one's country?
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The Ecstatic
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Re: It's war season [Re: Enlil]
#28639277 - 01/29/24 11:51 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I just don’t get how anyone can look at this stuff unfold and conclude it’s either good or necessary, let alone a reflection of popular sentiment.
You don't see how a Ukrainian could look at the Russian invasion and see the necessity in defending one's country?
I’m obviously referring to American voters.
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ballsalsa
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This thread is mostly about every other country. We're pretty much always having some amount of war, somewhere
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Re: It's war season [Re: Enlil]
#28639332 - 01/29/24 12:31 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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The next decade is for sure gonna suck ass. However, if things get worse on the war front it will eventually necessitate conscription in Western nations. There have been many articles written about this lately, that it will be "necessary" to fight Russia.
I don't see this as being feasible as Westerners are quite spoiled and I personally can't see the 18-25 year olds of today being willing to allow themselves to be forcibly signed up for a war. This would trigger large mass protests. Their parents might even revolt. Things have changed, it's not the 70's anymore.
I know for sure if I was young enough to be conscripted and war broke out I would spit in the face of anyone trying to forcibly draft me before I ever took up a weapon to fight for the empire. It's a ridiculous thought. I would sooner go to prison.
This is a problem for the empire because if we ever do fight a conventional war with Russia or China the manpower necessary will be hard to find and the attempt itself could destabilize the West dramatically. Trying to pull a Ukraine-style mass mobilization here would end up with armed parents taking to the streets and willing to fight to the death to preserve the lives of their children instead.
There is no fucking way that the Chai-sipping TikTok'er generation are gonna be cool with being forced to fight and die in some pointless war they don't believe in. Virtue signaling against Russia is cool, but fighting is another story. There is just no fucking way.
That is one reason I don't see a conventional war between NATO and Russia or China ever actually happening. If it does happen, it will be nuclear.
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The Ecstatic said: I just don’t get how anyone can look at this stuff unfold and conclude it’s either good or necessary, let alone a reflection of popular sentiment.
You don't see how a Ukrainian could look at the Russian invasion and see the necessity in defending one's country?
A truly smart Ukrainian would realize that they are against an opponent they cannot beat and that pursuing peace at the loss of some territories which most don't care about anyways is the far better option.
A smart Ukrainian would also see how the US/NATO is egging them on to fight for their own purposes and find it abhorrent.
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Hartford
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It does seem like countries get bored of peace and start wars periodically.
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I've been saying this for years and years now that it's not okay for people to think war is funny or whatever like choppie here. Anyway yet again they're wrong on this one because all it would take is one these retards countries to do something egregious and you would have absolutely no problem finding a metric fuckload of gun-toting nutjobs to go absolutely sickhouse on thier asses infact a huge amount of folks have been prepping thier whole lives for it. But that's what make it so dangerous.
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Well, I believe there is a degree of truth to the cycle you espouse. It can cut both ways, though. I am certain any war veteran that has kids that sees things getting hot, will do anything to assuage the desire to serve during those times.
I told my kids I would break both legs if they wanted to join. Thing is, my daughter is already set on it, I can only postpone til she is out of my home. The young do seem pretty eager to join in those romantic notions, however, on other spectrum seems like current military recruitments are particularly low. What's more, is that war can turn that all around again, as per above.
I think the biggest trick of the modern era is that politicans and the government (at least in the US) have succeeded by largely insulating the populace from any sense of strife or loss when these wars occur....the only exception would be a dead child that served. Has anyone here felt a direct loss of any engagement in the last 30 years?
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Seems the size of war matters. Small regional conflicts will always pop off, but it's definitely time for a world war soon.
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