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    #28639284 - 01/29/24 11:58 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

3 weeks ago, we tried 3.5 g and it barely did anything. Nature shows were nice to watch but we were both underwhelmed with the experience

Yesterday, we each took five. (Thinking 3.5 was barely anything and maybe my mushrooms were very weak )That was way too much for me.  When it hit, I looked out the window and watched the Willow branches with mosaic colors in them. Eventually I leaned over and melted into my husband.  Still watching those branches and the pretty colors and saying how beautiful it was and then I started crying because it was so beautiful.

Then I sunk into Dreamworld.  Eyes open was too much for me so I closed my eyes but I had no visuals. The weird thing was that every time I closed my eyes, something about horses and Mexico came up. At some point I decided a past life must have been horses and Mexico. I have zero ties to Mexico in my current life. Zero.

At one point I looked at my little tiny fluffy dog and saw the wolf that was inside of him and I let him know that I saw the wolf inside of him. 

Eventually, I wasn't stuck to the couch anymore and I got up to go into the kitchen. Everything was distorted and all the metal in the kitchen was so super shiny.  My husband got some chicken out and I tasted it. I had to spit it out and all I could think of saying was ugh blood. Don't want this... I'll have toast

I have looked at the level charts but the whole experience felt like awake dreaming. I have no idea what ego death is. What's for sure is that I was at the higher end of the chart. Some of the trip was beautiful. There was a moment where it became terrifying because I felt like I had to keep reminding myself to breathe and then I worried if my husband was breathing. I realized I couldn't think about anybody else at that moment and things got better.


At some point I told my husband that I knew exactly how the person felt who merged and became the ship at the end of "to sleep in a sea of stars". And that I needed to read that novel again

The trip wasn't bad but it was exhausting and I would not like my next experience to be the same. Some pretty colors and some visuals would be just lovely.  The day after, I feel sad. Nothing horrible but down.

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Re: How to determine level? [Re: autumn leaves] * 2
    #28639445 - 01/29/24 01:54 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

What you described is similar to how some of my own experiences have been. Your thoughts alone can make you feel like they are manifesting into reality even without visuals accompanying them. I would probably be sick if I tried eating some chicken but what works great for me is fruit/yogurt/carrots/peppers/milkshakes.

The level chart thing is more of a guideline it's assuming your mushrooms are about average potency. I'm guessing you have multispore mushrooms they can differ wildy in potency so sometimes 2g can be quite strong and sometimes 5g will do barely anything. If I'm using MS grows I'll take say 20-30g and make them into chocolates and try a little bit (usually 2g worth) then if it's weak you have a much better idea how much you will need to eat to get to the level you want to be at.
But remember each experience can be different try not to have any expectations what you want because you will just get dissatisfied when it doesn't go that way. If things aren't going well the best thing I found is to change my environment like go outside or go into a different room or call a friend and have a little chat that can really help alot.


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Re: How to determine level? [Re: autumn leaves] * 3
    #28639461 - 01/29/24 02:08 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

The level system is just a rough guide to intensity. It's difficult to sum up the mental (rather than visual) aspects of tripping into a number and I don't normally bother, but it sounds like you were getting some of the strangeness beyond the visuals that the level 4 description was intended to convey.

Sinking into a dreamworld, thinking about past lives or drifting into some other reality, the feeling of dreaming while awake, "melting" into your husband - that's the trippy stuff. It can be difficult to get a trip which is just "pretty colours and some visuals" because the visual intensity usually increases along with the level of weirdness, and dosing for impressive visuals can result in a very intense trip.

It can be exhausting to go deep into a trip, especially if you aren't used to the intensity. It's about taking things slowly from one trip to another and finding a balance in the dose between too much intensity and being underwhelmed. Going from 3.5 to 5g doesn't seem that much but it's like 40% more by weight, and the potency might be different too.

:psychoactiveair:

The whole topic of ego death in psychedelics is a can of worms, but one way of expressing it would be to ask "what would happen if you subtracted your sense of self from your conscious experience?"

Intuitively it seems like there would be nothing left, it would be like dying or completely losing consciousness. When "sinking into dreamworld" and the sense of morphing and merging of consciousness becomes extreme, it can feel like the trip is taking over your mind and leaving you no space left to exist as "you". I had a trip a couple of months back which didn't quite reach that stage, but it was strong and one way I described it was "the visions come forward and compress you into unbeing." It can feel like your consciousness is folding in on you, which can be quite alarming.

:aliceshocker:

Anyway, as the trip pulls you deep into it, instead of simply becoming unconscious, it's like there is this sense of vast expansiveness and bliss existing in your awareness as a background state. Then you come back and "wake up" into this state of bliss as if you've rebooted yourself.

It's a weird concept but "to sleep in a sea of stars" would be quite a good phrase to describe what happens in this brief state of ego death - it's basically something entirely unexpected that you encounter in the trip that results in a full-blown mystical experience of some sort. I doubt any two people would describe it or define it the same way but there are common features for those sort of trips.

If you got a sense of merging and becoming part of something greater, it's that sort of process taken to it's logical conclusion; I'm looking at the description of the book and "Kira is launched into a galaxy-spanning odyssey of discovery and transformation. First contact isn’t at all what she imagined, and events push her to the very limits of what it means to be human" sounds like the kind of thing that happens when you take enough mushrooms to launch you to "the brink of annihilation" - it can be extremely harsh, intense, mind-bending and challenging but you can end up somewhere amazing which makes the experience very fulfilling overall.

I think you can experience elements of this without going to extremes - "ego dissolution" is a good term which is a bit less final than "ego death" and could apply to some of the states you describe.

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Re: How to determine level? [Re: autumn leaves]
    #28639602 - 01/29/24 03:53 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

you got the best level on your second trip.
on the first I have no idea what went wrong.

it's not always dosage, although it is a major factor.


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Re: How to determine level? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #28639640 - 01/29/24 04:23 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Thank you all.  Those explanations are great! It was definitely more intense than I expected but it ended up being an interesting experience.

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Re: How to determine level? [Re: autumn leaves] * 1
    #28641188 - 01/30/24 09:58 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Aldebaran described it in great detail. :yesnod:

Heres a link from the Shroomery explaining the different "Levels" of Intensity: https://www.shroomery.org/9067/What-do-the-different-trip-levels-Lvl-1-5-mean

Its definitely a rough guide as mushrooms are quite unpredictable in effects and sometimes you can have Level 4 effects with little apparent visuals, for example. Thats the unpredictable nature of the psychedelic effects of Mushrooms.

As mentioned, it sounds like you had around a Level 4 trip the second time and a Level 1 trip the first time. :cheers:


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Re: How to determine level? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28661624 - 02/16/24 05:54 AM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Thank you!

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Re: How to determine level? [Re: autumn leaves] * 1
    #28661706 - 02/16/24 07:09 AM (2 months, 30 days ago)

:congrats: Way to go it can be very scary when you over shoot the mark but you took it with grace.
Tripping that hard is always a ton of work and I’m often very tired for days after. It can be a down feeling. Get some good food and rest and it will pass.


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Re: How to determine level? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28661737 - 02/16/24 07:32 AM (2 months, 30 days ago)

The dreaming while awake thing was what I had always expected from psychedelics from reading about indigenous medicine practices.  Instead, I got fractals and pretty colors.

But...  eventually I started having lucid dreams, while on mushrooms.  Once I opened that door, I could tap into that space pretty easy.

Now I have very psychedelic fractal visions.  Kinda a mix between the lucid dream space and the fractal space.  Like, the lucid dreams are made of the fractals.

Beyond this is not what I would call level 5 but a very deep level 4.  And I say that it's not level 5 because there's still a sense of agency.  More like a very deep meditative state than a lucid dream state.  Under all the fractals.  Under the ego, but the ego isn't asleep or knocked out like in a level 5.

So yeah, I guess I'm saying don't get too stuck on the levels.  Everyone's going to develop their own relationship with mushrooms and with themselves while on mushrooms, and our priming (conditioning) about levels and what not can become a hindrance to deeper exploration if we get hung up on them.

And I find my deep level 4s more insightful than my level 5s tbh.

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