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OfflineShroomKayak
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Can you breakthrough more than once?
    #28636747 - 01/27/24 10:41 AM (3 months, 19 days ago)

My first trip was almost 15 years ago. I took 3g cubes and had a level 5 trip. I was pretty spaced out, had incredibly vivid thoughts that almost resembled hallucinations. I lay under a tree and saw countless snakes crawling down the trunk to me until I underwent a metamorphosis into a snake myself. I had thoughts like, that my life so far was only a dream or sleep, I was now "dead" and finally awake and at home, in my heaven, a place that felt incredibly familiar to me. All people, all experiences in my life so far were only manifestations of my own thoughts. Like everybody has his own universe and in this universes there always really exist only this one person.
I had the feeling of having understood the universe, simply everything.

On the second trip I took only a dose of 2.5g and I almost got there again, at least for a short momentan I was briefly "there", in my heaven.

Since then I have had some trips, often with many months or even years in between and I have never experienced this state, this place again.

Not even with doses of almost 30g dry, usually with 8 to 10g even with PE or Nats. I had beautiful, healing, deeply philosophical, spiritual and colorful trips with it but it just doesn't feel like this breakthrough.

That's why I wonder if it is possible to reach this threshold more than once? or has the mind simply learned to cope with it after the first trips?

Edited by ShroomKayak (01/27/24 10:43 AM)

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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28636787 - 01/27/24 11:14 AM (3 months, 19 days ago)

You never know what you’re going to get or how you have changed over the years.
My trips 15 years  ago were so different visually mentally all the above.


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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28636994 - 01/27/24 02:33 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

This is the case for all drugs and drug classes. The first time is the best time. Addicts keep chasing that first high. Same with sex or orgasms or other parts of life. That first kiss is the best kiss. We keep chasing that experience. First love.

So if you "wake up" or have a breakthrough or have "god realization," that can only happen once. You laugh at the cosmic joke. You can get enlightened or awakened. But the awakening process can be infinite. You can keep having epiphanies or realizations. The dominos can keep falling in your head and heart. But it is a process. You might not have that "ah ha" moment again. So yes and no to your question. :smile:

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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28637339 - 01/27/24 07:20 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

breaking through is just a made up term some oldheads made up to describe something that no one could describe, and its different for everyone. so to answer your question, sure, why not

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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: TerraMoon]
    #28637493 - 01/27/24 11:28 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Smoking changa on LSD I've had multiple breakthrough experiences in a row. I've never fully disassociated like that on shrooms or LSD alone though, only when DMT has been involved.


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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: ShroomKayak] * 2
    #28638980 - 01/29/24 05:32 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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ShroomKayak said:
My first trip was almost 15 years ago. I took 3g cubes and had a level 5 trip. I was pretty spaced out, had incredibly vivid thoughts that almost resembled hallucinations. I lay under a tree and saw countless snakes crawling down the trunk to me until I underwent a metamorphosis into a snake myself. I had thoughts like, that my life so far was only a dream or sleep, I was now "dead" and finally awake and at home, in my heaven, a place that felt incredibly familiar to me. All people, all experiences in my life so far were only manifestations of my own thoughts. Like everybody has his own universe and in this universes there always really exist only this one person.
I had the feeling of having understood the universe, simply everything.

On the second trip I took only a dose of 2.5g and I almost got there again, at least for a short momentan I was briefly "there", in my heaven.

Since then I have had some trips, often with many months or even years in between and I have never experienced this state, this place again.

Not even with doses of almost 30g dry, usually with 8 to 10g even with PE or Nats. I had beautiful, healing, deeply philosophical, spiritual and colorful trips with it but it just doesn't feel like this breakthrough.

That's why I wonder if it is possible to reach this threshold more than once? or has the mind simply learned to cope with it after the first trips?




You can't step in the same river twice, and trying is just going to get your shoes muddy.

Let go of that rung of the ladder, friend.  There's more to explore.

Other breakthroughs to be had.  But that river you stepped in 15 years ago has flowed on by and is long gone!

Stop trying to get back to that threshold.  You're not who you were 15 years ago, so why chase that person's insights?

When you breakthrough, again, it will be at a different threshold.  That's what we mean by breakthrough.  If it's the same threshold, you're chasing smoke friend!

Let go of expectations, make letting go of expectations your watchword.  And when you breakthrough, again, let that go too!

When you're out of things to let go of, congratulations.  You've arrived in the place you never left.  The here and now.  And here and now, you're home.

Edited by tree frog (01/29/24 05:45 AM)

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Re: Can you breakthrough more than once? [Re: tree frog]
    #28639437 - 01/29/24 01:49 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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tree frog said:
You can't step in the same river twice, and trying is just going to get your shoes muddy.

Let go of that rung of the ladder, friend.  There's more to explore.

Other breakthroughs to be had.  But that river you stepped in 15 years ago has flowed on by and is long gone!

Stop trying to get back to that threshold.  You're not who you were 15 years ago, so why chase that person's insights?

When you breakthrough, again, it will be at a different threshold.  That's what we mean by breakthrough.  If it's the same threshold, you're chasing smoke friend!

Let go of expectations, make letting go of expectations your watchword.  And when you breakthrough, again, let that go too!

When you're out of things to let go of, congratulations.  You've arrived in the place you never left.  The here and now.  And here and now, you're home.




Sound advice - and not just for tripping :smile:

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