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OfflineFrankieJustTrypt
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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2864999 - 07/07/04 03:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think they could pull this off without another gift from al-qaeda, luckily Kerry will most likely receive an innauguration present.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2865552 - 07/07/04 05:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

There are currently twin bills before Congress advocating the reinstitution of the draft:

Bill H.R. 163 (presented by: Rangel, McDermott, Conyers, Lewis, Stark, and Abercrombie).
Bill S. 89 (presented by Hollings).

These bills are virtually the same. Briefly, both bills require BOTH men and women
between 18 and 26 to report for either military or civil service (those not chosen for
military duty will perform civil service). Options for deferments include a h.s. diploma,
cessation of satisfactory pursuit of same, turning 20. Conscientious Objection status is
possible and, if awarded, C.O's will serve in the civil service. The term of duty is 2
years. These bills, if instated, would call forth the draft as early as June 2005.

There has been no public discussion or, as far as I am aware, much disclosure on the fact that these are bills currently being discussed in Congress.


http://www.bushdraft.com/proof2.html

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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: fft2]
    #2865753 - 07/07/04 06:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

There has been no public discussion or, as far as I am aware, much disclosure on the fact that these are bills currently being discussed in Congress.

That is because both of those bills are jokes and will never pass.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: d33p]
    #2865824 - 07/07/04 06:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

History is full of bills that were jokes and should never have passed.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2865853 - 07/07/04 06:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well yes, but the drafting of men AND women is absolutely fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: d33p]
    #2865866 - 07/07/04 06:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
Well yes, but the drafting of men AND women is absolutely fucking ridiculous.




Why? It been done in Israel for years if I'm not mistaken.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2865882 - 07/07/04 06:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The situation in Isreal is very different from America's.

Cases of rape would be astronomical and maybe it is just me but i do not see the Average American woman fighting effectively in a war.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: d33p]
    #2866143 - 07/07/04 07:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You know whats funny? Somebody posted a link to some site called "bushdraft" or something similar. Somebody else said it won't happen because Kerry will win. Here's the fucking joke on all you guys. Every single sponsor listed on those bills is a, hold your breath, DEMOCRAT. Kerry himself has raised the idea of two years of national service. Some people made a point that he didn't explicitly say it would be mandatory but if it's not mandatory it's just a jerk-off call for more peace corps volunteers (how's that program going these days by the way). Wake up children, the Democrats want to own you in a way that will make you beg for Big Bubba in a prison cell


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2866187 - 07/07/04 08:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well, now that we have "handed over" power to the "new" Iraqi government, we need some 5,000 more troops. When the "real" Iraqi elections come and they are a fully sovereign nation, then we will probably need another 50,000 troops so we must get ready.

Standard Bizarro logic.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Swami]
    #2866226 - 07/07/04 08:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Stop the draft....Vote Bush


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2866362 - 07/07/04 09:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Bush wants to invade other countries and unless they reorganize the military, they will have to start the draft.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: downforpot]
    #2866401 - 07/07/04 09:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

No, they won't have to start the draft. Why don't you think they will reorganize the military (why are there thousands and thousands of troops in Germany and S. Korea?), and what do you think should be done about nukes in Iran and N. Korea? Why is it that everyone who sponsors the draft bill a DEMOCRAT and you still blame Bush, even though he is foursquare against it and has promised to veto it. Wake up, you are being a fool.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2868060 - 07/08/04 10:23 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The only good I can see from the draft is that it might actually be the catalyst for a serious movement. A movement against the current two party bullshit. Against war, hate, and greed. Against consumerism run amok, self-obsession, and mass destruction of the planet. Maybe there'd even be a bunch more psychedelic drugs around as well - kinda like the 60s.....

Gee, maybe the draft wouldn't be so bad after all.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2868973 - 07/08/04 03:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I support Bush but he will probably have to start the draft if he stays in office and starts invading more countries.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: d33p]
    #2868992 - 07/08/04 03:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
The situation in Isreal is very different from America's.

Cases of rape would be astronomical and maybe it is just me but i do not see the Average American woman fighting effectively in a war.




most likely they'll just be around for clerical and adminstative type shit.

and who ever posted about syria... ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? They are saying the WMDs were moved to syria????? You've GOT to be mistaken I really hope you are mistaken.. WHAT A LOAD OF BS. Is there oil in syria?.. there must be.
America is fucking stupid..


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: blu3]
    #2869037 - 07/08/04 04:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, what was said was "the theory is".

No claim was made as to there actually being WMD's in Syria. And please note it was used as a "potential" justification which could be used to re-instate the draft.

Edited for foolishness. And again for spelling.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2869340 - 07/08/04 05:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I'd totally believe it though. I talk about this over lunch and someone told me that there IS untapped oil in syria and it would make perfect sense to attack *cough* "liberate" that country from terrorism.
since they really was no WMDs in the first place they can pretty much move them anywhere they want and provide no proof. Just like Iraq


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: blu3]
    #2869379 - 07/08/04 05:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. Notice how Bush is NOT on the TV telling Amercia how we must free the Sudanese people. (Wont happen until there is a silicon (sand) shortage anyway).


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Swami]
    #2869418 - 07/08/04 06:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you want to go, go. I personally have no interests in the Sudan. I do, however, have interests in the Middle East. As do we all in this country.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2871134 - 07/09/04 01:36 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I actually agree with the concept, but let me clarify, I agree that there should be a mandatory two year service term in which you would enter upon graduation of high school. You could choose where you serve, and if you weren't down with the military, you could serve elsewhere, like the peace corps, or Americorps, or HFH, whatever. College bound students could be exempt until they graduated.

The wording of this particular bill does not allow for this flexibility in choosing where you serve.

Just a thought.


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