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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28637616 - 01/28/24 05:15 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Ok, so what I'm seeing is an outright refusal/inability to answer my 2 questions. It's pretty obvious that ANY evidence of rape will be instantly dismissed as fake news by you. Your claims of past rape evidence being proven false will also remain as the unsubstantiated accusations they are. Those evil Jews are lying again! Hamas would never be so mean! Got it.

Even when I link you to a video clip, you can't understand it. The problem is Jewish students had to lock themselves in a library while a mob of losers like that clown bang on the door to get in. Of course, that's probably normal to you. Everything must confuse you.

I won't waste anymore time engaging with Hamas defenders and rape excusers like you.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28637620 - 01/28/24 05:33 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Thats not what i said.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28637631 - 01/28/24 06:09 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Acknowledge that Palestinian resistance overwhelmingly includes barbaric acts that no civilized person should employ?





nah that’s going to be excused because of pointless hypotheticals and double standards from privileged points of view.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28637664 - 01/28/24 07:08 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Acknowledge that Palestinian resistance overwhelmingly includes barbaric acts that no civilized person should employ?





nah that’s going to be excused because of pointless hypotheticals and double standards from privileged points of view.




This is a classic racist trope used by colonizers against the native populations they invade. They are always portrayed as barbaric rapists... Less than human. I would think you'd be able to see through it, but I guess I'm not surprised.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
    #28637668 - 01/28/24 07:10 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Ok, so what I'm seeing is an outright refusal/inability to answer my 2 questions. It's pretty obvious that ANY evidence of rape will be instantly dismissed as fake news by you. Your claims of past rape evidence being proven false will also remain as the unsubstantiated accusations they are. Those evil Jews are lying again! Hamas would never be so mean! Got it.




There is no evidence of rape. There is also no evidence of beheadings. Not of babies, or anyone else. Prove me wrong.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 3
    #28637674 - 01/28/24 07:18 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Overwhelmingly?

I see no excuse for rape as a weapon of war - but even if we assume that every single Hamas member is engaging in these acts, it's still significantly less than 1% of Palestinians. Overwhelmingly, Palestinian resistance is refusing to obey their oppressor with acts that are more symbolic than anything else - like throwing stones or petrol bombs at IDF soldiers who respond with sniper fire.

Personally, I consider Israeli mass bombing campaigns that result in significantly more death and destruction to be far worse than Palestinian suicide bombings and rocket attacks. If you don't, that's probably because our society has normalized that type of state violence.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28637676 - 01/28/24 07:21 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

There's a huge difference between directly targeting civilians in a terror attack and inadvertently killing them in a military operation

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #28637678 - 01/28/24 07:24 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Go on, let's hear what the huge difference is...


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #28637691 - 01/28/24 07:41 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

That you consider bombings that are guaranteed to result in civilian casualties to be "inadvertent" is an example of the normalization that comes from living in a nation that regularly engages in such violence. Ask the people who have to live under such conditions, and it's common they consider these mass bombings to be acts of terrorism, not liberation.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28637699 - 01/28/24 07:48 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Yeah, but if you call it by a different name then it's all good.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28637705 - 01/28/24 07:49 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

If those people don't want to be targeted maybe they shouldn't hide military equipment and personnel inside civilian infrastructure only to then exploit it for propaganda purposes and complain about it when something happens. You know a war crime. :youseethisshit:

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28637722 - 01/28/24 08:02 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Those people? I thought we were talking about the "inadvertently" targeted civilians who don't see mass bombing military operations with the same clinical perspective as you.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28637723 - 01/28/24 08:04 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Ok, so what I'm seeing is an outright refusal/inability to answer my 2 questions. It's pretty obvious that ANY evidence of rape will be instantly dismissed as fake news by you. Your claims of past rape evidence being proven false will also remain as the unsubstantiated accusations they are. Those evil Jews are lying again! Hamas would never be so mean! Got it.




There is no evidence of rape. There is also no evidence of beheadings. Not of babies, or anyone else. Prove me wrong.




I have provided the evidence of rape, referencing all of it that you can easily search for yourself. This doesn't seem to matter to you. I have repeatedly asked you to do tell me exactly what evidence you're requiring that you can't also just dismiss like everything referenced. You won't tell me. Because there is none.

Again, what the fuck is this magic evidence that you won't discount as "racist tropes from colonizers." You are already convinced that no rape has happened and any suggestion that it has is just racism from bad people. Do you need a video of Hamas terrorists gangraping the girls at the festival? Is that what you're asking?

This back-and-forth is like talking to an annoying child. I am going out of my way to get you to define what the evidence is ahead of time. This is necessary because it's obvious that the goal posts will shift once I do. If this weren't the case, the eyewitness testimony of rape, doctor testimony of raped hostages, plans found on dead terrorists to perform rape, and the multitude of other evidence would be enough.

Not to mention, you're the one who made a readily falsifiable claim that everything had been debunked. Please show me this evidence!

Regarding beheadings, yes, there is evidence of this, including children. There are eyewitness reports detailing the bodies, both from soldiers clearing civilian dwellings and from non-Iraeli doctors helping go through the bodies for identification. It wasn't possible to know if they were beheaded by hand or by RPGs in some of those cases.

But if you watch the video of an IDF soldier first clearing the festival grounds, you can see one of the victims has their throat slashed wide open in an obvious beheading attempt. There is definitely a video of a Thai national being beheaded by a Hamas terrorist with a garden hoe, I believe. Why don't you Google for these videos and accounts and then get back to me? I'm sure that garden hoe video is readily available since I first saw it on Twitter. I didn't watch it, but I know it exists. I'd love to hear how none of it counts.

Classic terrorist sympathizers. "There's no evidence they did anything more than brutally shoot civilians in the head and sometimes set them on fire after killing their children in front of them. Stop using racist tropes to make my rapist friends look barbaric!" Classic begging the question illogical line of thinking. Perhaps consider that some people can indeed by barbaric and backwards-thinking. Palestinian isn't a race, either. Religion is the problem here, not genetic makeup.

Edited by stareatclouds (01/28/24 08:14 AM)

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28637727 - 01/28/24 08:09 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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There's a huge difference between directly targeting civilians in a terror attack and inadvertently killing them in a military operation




Not to the "Free Palestine" children. And even if they finally acknowledge that Hamas deliberately uses schools and hospitals as military assets, it's no different than shooting a full daycare of babies on purpose. Even when the IDF drops leaflets and sends evacuation messages to their phones, it's still never permitted to launch an attack at anything with civilians around. You know, because the terrorists should have this obvious strategy of rendering their enemy useless. These idiots think the use of human shields is a commendable tactic. They're obviously fine with it and think the IDF should do everything they can to let Hamas plan more successful attacks.

Blaming Hamas for launching rockets out of refugee camps, purposely martyrizing children for propaganda is never possible. But if they'd do that, the spell would be broken and they'd stop supporting brutal terrorists. Too bad.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: stareatclouds] * 3
    #28637747 - 01/28/24 08:22 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Even when the IDF drops leaflets and sends evacuation messages to their phones, it's still never permitted to launch an attack at anything with civilians around.



Serious 'Putin never lies' energy.


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The Israeli military says it has mistakenly killed three hostages during its campaign in Gaza after they were mis-identified as a "threat".



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67732353

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Nearly a fifth of Israeli fatalities since the invasion of Gaza in late October were caused by friendly fire or accidents, accounting for 36 of the 188 soldiers killed at the time of the report.



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The IDF can't even prevent themselves from killing Israeli hostages or their own troops, and you're out here suggesting they never target Palestinian citizens... If you want people to take your criticism seriously, you need to stop yourself from spewing blatant propaganda too.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28637749 - 01/28/24 08:25 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Hospitals and schools US tax payers are apparently funding.:youseethisshit:

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28637815 - 01/28/24 09:04 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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This back-and-forth is like talking to an annoying child. I am going out of my way to get you to define what the evidence is ahead of time. This is necessary because it's obvious that the goal posts will shift once I do. If this weren't the case, the eyewitness testimony of rape, doctor testimony of raped hostages, plans found on dead terrorists to perform rape, and the multitude of other evidence would be enough.




How about a rape kit, or some forensic evidence, for starters.

If you're going to make a positive claim, back it up.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28637823 - 01/28/24 09:19 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Personally, I consider Israeli mass bombing campaigns that result in significantly more death and destruction to be far worse than Palestinian suicide bombings and rocket attacks. If you don't, that's probably because our society has normalized that type of state violence.




I don’t disagree with that one but I’m not comparing nor am I excusing or supporting.

Both parties are being barbaric. I completely recognize my inability to truly sympathize with oppressed people because as a white American guy what repression have I experienced? None. Our culture has definitely normalized colonization I am aware you are preaching to the choir.

however I could never see myself blowing up myself in a crowded market of civilians. I’d go out attacking a tank or probably get shot at a armed protest of sorts. Not like a coward taking out defenseless indoctrinated civilians otherwise i become what I hate.

That’s not mentioning that blowing myself up is fully sanctioned and supported by my religious state in a journey to martyrdom complete with virgins. It’s nutty.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28637844 - 01/28/24 09:37 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

I could maybe see myself killing every last Jew in  Israel  if I were a Palestinian , women , children , all of them .
    But commit rape ? No way , that's too hard to believe , I'm better than that .


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 3
    #28637848 - 01/28/24 09:39 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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however I could never see myself blowing up myself in a crowded market of civilians.




I don’t get why this is your sticking point.

Since 2008, there have been two (2) suicide attacks by Palestinians. The first in 2015 was a woman who blew up her own car at a military checkpoint, resulting in one injury (presumably a soldier, not a civilian), and the other was a bus bombing in 2016 which also resulted in no deaths (but was an attack on civilians).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks


Even during the height of Palestinian suicide attacks during the Second Intifada it wasn’t like they were killing hundreds (let alone thousands) of Israelis. To be honest it just seems like you’re painting Arabs with this broad brush of backwards fundamentalist psychos, and then begrudgingly equivocating the far worse actions of the Israelis because the evidence and the scale of their crimes is too high to dismiss away. Admittedly, it’s because you were raised in a society where injuring one soldier with a suicide bomb is far more barbaric than killing 100 civilians by bombing a hospital.


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