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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28637274 - 01/27/24 06:26 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

That's certainly something to fear.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #28637275 - 01/27/24 06:27 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

I totally agree with you that people in Europe have not learnt there lessons from WW2, it is very much observable as somebody who lives in europe that it seems that everybody is indeed making the same mistakes which led up to ww2 with the rise of fascist popularity of far right nationalist self-destructive pro-sanction and pro-war policy making that seems to be taking over throughout europe nowadays. the policy which is backed by the very media campaign i am arguing about in this thread and others.

yet you seem to be trying to make some kind of link with this modern day observation and communism which is really the exact opposite of what i am seeing in the country i am living in as well as france, germany and the eu parliament outcomes coming out of brussels which i see today.

you seem to be the one who is still riding on the mccarthyism and 1950s foreign policy which led to the cold war which we are still living in today and has led to the  millions of unneccessary deaths around the world caused by the US war machine which miraculously saved you from economic pinches for the last half century up until today, which may lead something completely out of the hands of the US unless somebody puts a stop to it with this war in ukraine. (and gaza and yemen)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28637276 - 01/27/24 06:29 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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That's certainly something to fear.





That's what Christianity wants you to think... that's how they retain members.  That's how Putin keeps power: the Orthodox church.
It's the perfect authoritarian tool.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637279 - 01/27/24 06:31 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Yes we still have to fight the good fight the world over the alternative is unimaginable. Wwii didn't end because of russia. We need healing.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637284 - 01/27/24 06:36 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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propoganda comes from the media narrative which you live under, if putin progoganda was real, and say that i believed in it, then i would be in russia and  under the russian republican media narrative. Actually, I am living in the Eu where the mass media portrays putin as the aggressor of a war under 1000km from Moscow and as a WW2 style fascist autocratic power with imperial intentions for taking over europe.

Just look at what the Guardian, the times, the daily mail, the observer, BBC and ITV and sky have to say about it.

If i am eating somebodies propoganda whos would it be, the western media conglomorate which i cant look in any direction without coming across, or Putins state media which is blocked most hours of the day and inaccessible on western social media platforms.

I don't advocate putin, I don't know about his domestic policy and neither have I lived in Russia where he is in power, but that still doesnt mean I cant be critical of the west for playing a hand in this wars instigation (if you want me to elaborate then please do ask away for any details)




Sounds like you're approaching this with a more level head than a lot of people. Putin clearly has no intention of invading and conquering the rest of Europe. It doesn't even make sense. He has ressons for invading Ukraine. He's not trying to invade Poland. I would have to see it to believe it. It will not happen.

For some reason people are susceptible to this sort of fear mongering, sensationalist nonsense. It really is ridiculous. People rally for war. They watch it like a sports match. They post clips of people dying, and it's like watching gladiators at the colloseum, I guess.

You're right to assume that both sides are propagandists, and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. That's the only sensible thing to believe.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28637295 - 01/27/24 06:42 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Hey I'm here to tell you that russia invaded for no good reason other than a complete land grab that they thought the west would roll over on and when that didnt happen(Biden)they were forced to pipe in this bullshit and watch their people die in a frivolous unjustified war. Wake the fuck up.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637306 - 01/27/24 06:46 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

How is Russian media blocked? you can listen to Sputnik right now.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28637319 - 01/27/24 07:00 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Russian media is blocked in certain countries. He said he's in Europe.

I remember when Russia first invaded I couldn't access RT for a few months. That may have been a Ddos though.

Europe is a clown show. Between the "hate speech" laws which are gradually criminalizing criticism of government policy and the local governments which blatantly do the bidding of Washington at the expense of their own peoples, it's a circus.

That said, all the bluster over RT on this forum is honestly stupid. First of all, many pro-Russians for the most part hardly use them, if ever as they are inferior to many other news sources on the Ukraine war. Secondly, most of the shit that gets posted on RT isn't even necessarily untrue. But people see the name "Russia" and just automatically assume Putin is personally writing all of the articles on the website.

It's a braindead IQ take.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #28637332 - 01/27/24 07:09 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Russia owns all the news and media outlets in their country. So they can control the narrative.
That’s why no one trusts them delivering news. Because usually they’re delivering a very watered down or heavily edited version of whatever the events are. To further justify themselves in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

Tune to the state ran news in China on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square. I’m sure you’re not gonna hear them talking about it. Because that country controls that states news outlets in much the same way.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28637341 - 01/27/24 07:24 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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How is Russian media blocked? you can listen to Sputnik right now.




Haha...

He said he's in Europe. The rest of the world doesn't enjoy the same rights as the United States. Our freedom of speech is the most valuable thing American culture has ever done in the world. A lot of people take it for granted. I certainly don't.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28637348 - 01/27/24 07:31 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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I believe state-media will always serve the private interest of their state



nowadays the corporations are bigger and more influential than the state, actually i am criticising state media on the basis that they seem to be unable to oppose corporate interests at all nowadays, if you look at the state of europe today its not just true for the media, but the fate of every infrastructure which is supposed to serve the people is now in the hands of private firms and their shareholders. When we speak about corporate interests which lobbys' narrative do we expect them to uphold with? Those in washington? those who make billions from arms? most likely, because at the moment there is no other lobby capable of making so much money in the west.

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I think you'd have to specificy what you're referring to when you say, "weapons with a value of almost one trillion dollars that has been used for incremental war escalations against russia circa feb 2022", for me to be able to properly address the comment.




Im referring to the war thats been going on, and its only escalating further and further, do you think that the EU is able to supply all these weapons for free, in fact the demand is still much higher than the actual supply there is as we see the war activity in ukraine fluctuating with the price of ammunition consistently for the past two years.

the trillion is a likely guesstimate i admit to a figure which cannot be verified when you look at the joint investment of all the countries who signed the nato arms contract for ukraine to help supply to differing degrees. (especially considering the awful cost efficiency of US arms manufacturing industry)

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Now this I think you're going to have to provide citations for, because from 1991 to 2014 there is specific context to the financial aid provided to Ukraine during the time.




The money put into Ukraine from the US were given through NGOs namely the national endowment for democracy NED and USAID which were funding to the three new TV Channels which appeared in late 2013 before Euromaidan and gave millions in grants for those who would serve US foreign policy interests on social media.

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Do you think Ukraine has a right to their sovereignty?




Of course every country has the right to sovereignty but it seems that there are global super powers out there who would pump millions if not billions into countries in order to steer that sovereignty towards self serving interests (to creating arms sales). Not just for Ukraine, but for maintaining the imperial influence around the world and perpetual proxy wars for the arms lobby.

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I tend to try to recognise both Western and Eastern centric imperialism without negating the responsibilities of either for their actions.




So in the case of the ukraine war, this is the most compelling and something I still don't understand why nobody else is talking about, Ukraine is less than 1000km from moscow, is not NATO weaponisation and deployment of offensive weapons in Ukraine not a direct existential threat to Russia?

Now does it make sense my stance on this war?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28637354 - 01/27/24 07:32 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

I do freedom of speech all the way.

Hoc superate iugum. Kykeon is Psilocybe arcana / serbica

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28637359 - 01/27/24 07:36 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

land grab? then why did they not take the opportunity before NATO expansion ?

why did the dissolution of the USSR declare Ukraine as a sovereign state? (they could have kept ukraine you know)

why would they put themselves in this position now? if it were not for outside aggression.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28637362 - 01/27/24 07:38 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

trust me europe is a shitshow, there is no democracy left here anymore.

I live in a police state and nobody is talking about it

i regret ever coming here/

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637364 - 01/27/24 07:40 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

No they couldn't have kept ukraine just as much as America could t have kept all of western Europe. Even less so because of the early soviet atrocities in the region. They did so because they're led by an arrogant sack of shit fighting for long buried bullshit. I wish the country would just modernize :youseethisshit:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637366 - 01/27/24 07:41 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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land grab? then why did they not take the opportunity before NATO expansion ?

why did the dissolution of the USSR declare Ukraine as a sovereign state? (they could have kept ukraine you know)

why would they put themselves in this position now? if it were not for outside aggression.



Because putin. There was no aggression against Russia


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28637369 - 01/27/24 07:45 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

i think the state of US media is just as bad
https://novaramedia.com/2024/01/15/mehdi-hasans-exit-from-msnbc-is-an-embarrassment-to-us-journalism/

your freedom of speech is free for the corporations only, of course the richest ones.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637372 - 01/27/24 07:48 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

VOA and BBC are banned in Russia

It's not 'Russian' media' that's blocked - it's state owned media ... just like is blocked in Russia from UK/US


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: kitten6]
    #28637373 - 01/27/24 07:48 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Sick bullshit piece dewd

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28637385 - 01/27/24 07:59 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Our freedom of speech is the most valuable thing American culture has ever done in the world. A lot of people take it for granted. I certainly don't.



Lots of countries have free speech, it's not unique to the US.

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