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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
    #28635507 - 01/26/24 11:05 AM (1 day, 8 hours ago)

I finally got my woodlover genetics in. I have P. Alennii, Ps. Cyan, and Azures. I would love some critique to my plan:

1. Bought LC -> Agar -> Oat Grain spawn

2. Aldar and Applewood Smoker Chips (I'll call around to tree services to look for a cheaper option, but I don't live in an area with a lot of hard wood trees). I'll do a 24 hr soak then load them into xl bags and PC at 15 PSI for 4 hours

3. Grain spawn to Sterilized wood

4. Mix with Coir in cloth pots sometime in April. I also have a line on cheap milk crates, I'm thinking of trying them to see if I can get it to fruit from the sides.

5. Allow to colonize until mid may, cover with dirt and plant strawberries on top

6. Water weekly with a hose whenever we don't get much rain

7. Winter comes early where I live, I plan to bring the pots inside late September/Early October, depending on when we start seeing below 0 temperatures during the day. Fall lasted well into November this year, but that was a rarity. It's not unheard of to get snow in September.

8. Barely water through the winter, just enough to keep it from going completely dry

9. Bring the pots back outside late March 2025


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CaptainPuffy] * 4
    #28635535 - 01/26/24 11:31 AM (1 day, 7 hours ago)

No worries. Enjoy the day.
Freshend the chips around the the indoor blocks i tossed.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CaptainPuffy]
    #28635575 - 01/26/24 12:23 PM (1 day, 6 hours ago)

That sounds like a good plan to me.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: JW123] * 2
    #28636160 - 01/26/24 08:23 PM (22 hours, 43 minutes ago)

Does anyone have any ideas on what these look like? 

Also I've been curious about soaking chips; I have a 10 foot diameter, 1000 gallon open-topped water tank that's maybe 3 feet tall.  It works great for soaking chips, and I can pitchfork off the top to get the good big chunks, while some finer stuff sinks.  It's a lot of work, to move wet wood chips so many times.  I'm thinking of making it so my truck can drive to that tank.  That's what I've done before for outdoor Oyster patches on wood chips, but I've always questioned the soaking part.  Soaking chips seems to be recommended all the time for gourmet woodlovers.  Maybe that's becaues sawdust spawn is usually recommended before that...

As mentioned earlier perhaps it's harder for mycelium to run from sawdust spawn onto chips than to sterilize chips and have those colonize indoors, then use the chips as spawn for the outdoor chips.

I would lean towards soaking with a pile that's mostly hardwood but has some dead oak tree(s) pieces in there that seem dry, just to hydrate things.
If it were all freshly cut living wood I would feel better about not soaking

I'm interested more in the option of fermenting... How many people currently soak chips for so long they ferment?  is it an anaerobic fermentation thing that kills off the aerobic fungi in the chips, perhaps?

who soaks their wood chips?

who never does?



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
    #28636186 - 01/26/24 08:38 PM (22 hours, 27 minutes ago)

I find no benefit to fermenting or soaking.  If you live where it's constantly wet (eyeing the temperate rainforest in your pic) then just put the chips out and let rain take care of the rest.

The mushrooms in your picture look like cyans, but who knows these days :shrug:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28636214 - 01/26/24 09:04 PM (22 hours, 2 minutes ago)

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The mushrooms in your picture look like cyans, but who knows these days :shrug:



🤣🤣🤣🤣 right. They do look like some kind of cyanescens.

I fermented yards of chips the previous two years and the places where I put fermented chips did worse than anywhere I just tossed chips right off the pile. Fermenting was not worth it, I tried cause I saw other people doing it so I thought I was missing out. My first chip drop this fall was drought killed ponderosa, shit was about as dry as anything that comes out of a kiln, I didn’t soak any of it and for the most part it’s getting eaten up pretty well. Only time soaking seems beneficial is if your bagging kiln dried chips to treat, but a good boil or packing it in wet peat or coir or potting soil seems to work just fine too.
If anything I wish I could dry some chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28636219 - 01/26/24 09:11 PM (21 hours, 55 minutes ago)

Oh, I did like soaking wood it it was really badly infested with bugs.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 3
    #28636588 - 01/27/24 08:31 AM (10 hours, 35 minutes ago)

I soaked my indoor WL free ash chips and Hella bugs crawled out of it , I think making mine extra rotten kept mites off as well

My old ovoids had mites always it made me nervous cuz I grow my own Jah.

Pic from inside top of bag



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 2
    #28637029 - 01/27/24 02:54 PM (4 hours, 12 minutes ago)

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who soaks their wood chips?

who never does?





It all depends really... If you are using kiln-dried chips you get in a bag from inside a store where they don't get rained on, soak them. I get fresh ground mulch by the truck bed from a mulch shop, which gets rained on there or in the bed of the truck so there's no need to soak at all.

Fermenting was a fad that was proven to be inefficient. For outdoor beds of psilly or edible WL's, no pasteurization is needed as long as you have clean mulch/chips and plenty of spawn.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 2
    #28637044 - 01/27/24 03:05 PM (4 hours, 1 minute ago)

I’m glad someone outright called it a fad, I never heard about it until after I had patches going and a pretty decent grasp on things, but then saw other people doing it, and always assume if someone’s doing something it must do something, so I’d soak the chips and they would do a thing so it felt right, but then the mushrooms never said thanks for doing that in anyway.

Edit: now that we’ve set it in stone we will have a 10 year cycle where the mushrooms only want fermented chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #28637066 - 01/27/24 03:27 PM (3 hours, 39 minutes ago)

So I got a dump load of wood chips, I removed parts that didn't look ideal, and spread the pile out so that it's A foot and a half tall. 

Big piles create heat and competitors, So i always spread them thinner.  Now the rain is soaking in to the top... inch.

I'm tempted to spread it thinner to soak up more rain.

But then I think, why don't i just put some of the wood chips in their final place already.  When it comes time to spawn outdoors, would it be too hard to mix in spawn with the wood chips if at that time more wood chips were added?

Also, Has anyone ever put spawn directly in a wood chipper?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28637078 - 01/27/24 03:40 PM (3 hours, 26 minutes ago)

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I’m glad someone outright called it a fad, I never heard about it until after I had patches going and a pretty decent grasp on things, but then saw other people doing it, and always assume if someone’s doing something it must do something, so I’d soak the chips and they would do a thing so it felt right, but then the mushrooms never said thanks for doing that in anyway.




It was never meant for chips, it was a fad for "cold pasteurizing" straw for Oyster cultivation. The hypothesis was that anaerobic bacteria would kill off any aerobic contaminates, then dumping them out after the soak would aerate the substrate and kill the anaerobic bacteria. None of which is actually "fermenting" since no yeasts are breaking down any sugars. Plus the tannic acids that leach out of the wood into the soak water just causes the pH to drop way too low for any yeasts to tolerate. I think it was Stamets that first caused it to explode in the mycommunity...:rolleyes:


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Edit: now that we’ve set it in stone we will have a 10 year cycle where the mushrooms only want fermented chips.




No shit.. Cantankerous little fucks, aren't they? :spank:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28637138 - 01/27/24 04:43 PM (2 hours, 23 minutes ago)

I think you guys should use bag mulch instead of smoke chips for your containers. 

You can even lay the bag outside or on concrete and have a portable patch colonizing right in the bag.  Might even benefit from a little greenhouse effect.

It stays moist, lots of surface area. Mold already ran its course yet healthy soil microbes are there and its usually free of any detrimental competing fungus.

I think it would be fun to maybe bring a few colonized twigs every time im at the garden store.

Like uncle bens tek but for wood chip rotting mushrooms.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Notwhouthink] * 1
    #28637146 - 01/27/24 04:47 PM (2 hours, 19 minutes ago)

Scott's is still a good one?
I cud try it out next


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
    #28637155 - 01/27/24 04:55 PM (2 hours, 10 minutes ago)

I avoid the fancy brands and get the cheapest "shredded hardwood mulch" there is and find it makes a good base to start butts in when its cold.  It costs less than 3 dollars for a few cu ft.  If you skim through the shreds, you can find a bunch of big chunks in there usually.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
    #28637160 - 01/27/24 04:58 PM (2 hours, 8 minutes ago)

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Generic said:
So I got a dump load of wood chips, I removed parts that didn't look ideal, and spread the pile out so that it's A foot and a half tall. 

Big piles create heat and competitors, So i always spread them thinner.  Now the rain is soaking in to the top... inch.

I'm tempted to spread it thinner to soak up more rain.

But then I think, why don't i just put some of the wood chips in their final place already.  When it comes time to spawn outdoors, would it be too hard to mix in spawn with the wood chips if at that time more wood chips were added?

Also, Has anyone ever put spawn directly in a wood chipper?





Just lay out the chips where you want them and spawn directly to them.  3-4" is more than plenty deep enough.  Any more than that and I find I get reduced returns or they get fussy about them composting.  From your pics I'm guessing you're in the PNW somewhere on the wet side (DF, Hemlock, Alder in photo) so just make beds, let it rain on them, spawn to them. 

I have thrown spawn in a chipper, I see no benefit.  Chip, then spawn.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28637194 - 01/27/24 05:20 PM (1 hour, 46 minutes ago)

I’m officially removing fermenting chips from my to do list. I appreciate the Insight.👍 Question; do you guys have any luck starting beds in winter? I put grain to chips two weeks ago and they seem pretty well colonized. I was figuring this would take a whole lot longer and outside temps would be warmer when they were ready. Ooops. 🤡


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Notwhouthink]
    #28637213 - 01/27/24 05:40 PM (1 hour, 26 minutes ago)

Yeah the colonized bag mulch does work, I threw some agar pucks in a bag or two a few falls ago, let them colonize outside/broke them up over winter, and mixed w uncolonized mulch along with some colonized grain jars when I made a patch in the spring.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
    #28637301 - 01/27/24 06:44 PM (22 minutes, 5 seconds ago)

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Scott's is still a good one?
I cud try it out next



Scott's Nature Scapes is good to go straight out of the bag for outdoor use. Any color.


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