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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28647573 - 02/05/24 12:18 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

I remember the first time I talked to my psychiatrist, it was scenario where I felt it was right to become vulnerable if I wanted help, the ol, help them help you. I was in tears at one point but it was the right thing to do in hindsight as he was able to more clearly see the dynamics of my circumstances.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: sudly]
    #28648585 - 02/06/24 07:49 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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I remember the first time I talked to my psychiatrist, it was scenario where I felt it was right to become vulnerable if I wanted help, the ol, help them help you. I was in tears at one point but it was the right thing to do in hindsight as he was able to more clearly see the dynamics of my circumstances.



That's how it went for me too today. She can't be my therapist because she also has my mother as a patient, and it is forbidden, but she told me that my issues go way way back, and I need to first see a therapist specialised in substance abuse, and go to another psychiatrist if the therapist judges that I need medication. She gave me some phone numbers, we have some programs here that are free, and I will call first thing tomorrow to make an appointment. Talking to her, even for those 60 minutes, really really made me feel a lot better guys. Opening up, even just for a bit, proved to have a definite healing effect, I wasn't expecting this. I  am not sure I want to completely take my masks down though, to be frank. I am very used to them by now.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28648810 - 02/06/24 10:40 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

even your masks have masks so, don't worry about them too much, they'll take care of themselves.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28648819 - 02/06/24 10:50 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Gregarious creatures too, they are.

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Re: Advice needed [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28648886 - 02/06/24 11:50 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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even your masks have masks so, don't worry about them too much, they'll take care of themselves.



I am now fully aware of that, I wasn't before, but if I decide to go all in, I do, that's what I'm afraid. Well, I am almost convinced that one of the keys is acceptance, and I am not sure wether keeping any masks on would help on that front. So, I probably have to prove myself wrong and be strong for once. Oh well, at least I got out of my comfort zone and asked for help, it may be miniscule, but I feel like I am at least fighting back for once.
Fuck it, sorry for swearing, but now I am not so sure. This damned thing, whatever it is, is making cycles. Now I am not so bad, and I am able to think like that, but I am afraid that when hell comes again, I won't be able to put any of this to good use, and I will continue in the same loop. You know, when I feel well, content, happy or whatever, I always start to worry what is wrong with me, seriously. Am I just used to being like that? Addicted to misery? Truthfully, I just don't know.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28648888 - 02/06/24 11:51 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Gregarious creatures too, they are.



They have to be, as they are mainly used in the company of others. There are some that are solitary too though, and slowly, I come to realise that they are the most dangerous ones.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28648930 - 02/06/24 12:20 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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I am almost convinced that one of the keys is acceptance, and I am not sure wether keeping any masks on would help on that front. So, I probably have to prove myself wrong and be strong for...


I don't think acceptance will surmount...your opposition however will applaud.

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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
    #28649023 - 02/06/24 01:23 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

i was just fooling around about the masks having masks, but, really I think you just need people, you like talking and joking around.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
    #28649035 - 02/06/24 01:32 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

there's tons of interesting methods out there

creative ways of working with the mind

here's a bunch of cool things and there is much more

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Re: Advice needed [Re: Freedom]
    #28649042 - 02/06/24 01:35 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Oh, wow. That's a great link.

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Re: Advice needed [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28649049 - 02/06/24 01:37 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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i was just fooling around about the masks having masks, but, really I think you just need people, you like talking and joking around.



Yeah, now I am sure that I am way more transparent than I thought I was 😄 I do like joking around, talking too, I can be a bit excessive though. Especially now that the symptoms are mostly gone 😄 Damn, that's a nice intermission.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Freedom]
    #28649056 - 02/06/24 01:41 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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i was just fooling around about the masks having masks, but, really I think you just need people, you like talking and joking around.



Yeah, now I am sure that I am way more transparent than I thought I was 😄 I do like joking around, talking too, I can be a bit excessive though. Especially now that the symptoms are mostly gone 😄 Damn, that's a nice intermission.
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there's tons of interesting methods out there

creative ways of working with the mind

here's a bunch of cool things and there is much more



Holy Cow, I thank you before reading it, as it will take a while!


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Re: Advice needed [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28649724 - 02/06/24 10:22 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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It is hard to presume what another is thinking, but we all probably think that psychiatrists know so much that they can see through us.

this is not necessarily true, maybe they can detect that you are hiding something, but they cannot read your mind.
body posture, facial gestures, general disposition, yes, but not what you are not sharing willingly.

the more you do share the more likely their work can be of service to you.




Many mock therapists for asking about "feelings" - this quote by Eckhart Tolle has really helped me understand the function you describe.  For me, it's a method to bring to clarity what's been obscured by the painful fog of trauma. 

A true spiritual teacher does not have anything to teach in the conventional sense of the word, does not have anything to give or add to you, such as new information, beliefs, or rules of conduct. The only function of such a teacher is to help you remove that which separates you from the truth of who you already are and what you already know in the depth of your being.

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Re: Advice needed [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28649747 - 02/06/24 11:09 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Guys, I've found out what I think the major trauma is, which happened when I was 8, but I've also learned that I changed completely, and stopped being close to my family when I was 15. I know what happened when I was 8, but I have absolutely no idea what happened when I was 15, or how I changed exactly, apart from smoking some pot from time to time. My timeframe really stops when I was around 8-9, after that I have no idea what changes happened inside me, apart from starting drinking heavily and doing some drugs at 19 years of age till I was 25.
I am afraid that my issue is not me feeling remorse, that remorse is just the result of actions that were the result of something in the past. I am not excusing myself, I just think that this goes a little deeper than I thought.
Those mood swings are really starting to tire me out. I am on my "good" days now as you can see, and I still don't like what I see.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
    #28649870 - 02/07/24 04:43 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

you may not like all of it, but you can see how the parts are connected, some directly and others still not so clear.
with or without therapy,
that is huge.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Skropi]
    #28650152 - 02/07/24 10:15 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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I do not want to discard any negative thoughts, because they are all true . . .




How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

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You know, I've been way too good to myself till now, feeling no remorse for anything I've done




You seem to be remorseful about not feeling remorse?

That type of behavior could fuel wild mood swings

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Re: Advice needed [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28650230 - 02/07/24 11:05 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Discarding thoughts just doesn't work.
Putting up with them and just being aware of them does work.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28650267 - 02/07/24 11:34 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I'm wondering how or why someone would choose to believe negative thoughts are true or accurate.  I know it's tempting, but the consequences are huge.

Skropi says - "I still don't like what I see"

It seems so aggressively demeaning

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Re: Advice needed [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28650352 - 02/07/24 12:34 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Just an old habit.
Struggling with it makes it more catchy.
Moving past it with awareness is good.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28650497 - 02/07/24 02:44 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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I do not want to discard any negative thoughts, because they are all true . . .




How in the world did you reach that conclusion?






Good point. I assumed he was referring to the events themselves (negative memories) and wanting to take responsibility but the way it's worded is problematic.


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