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Woodloving Psilocybe * 1
    #28636784 - 01/27/24 11:13 AM (19 hours, 31 minutes ago)



From the Fall, in Tillamook, near the ocean beach. (Not my photos)

I'm curious, how would one distinguish between Ps. alenii and Ps. cyanescens.  I'd like to know more about distinguishing between different cyanescens relatives.


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Generic]
    #28636800 - 01/27/24 11:21 AM (19 hours, 22 minutes ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/12230/Psilocybin-Species

Lots of info on tap.  That’s where I started.


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: justjarvis]
    #28636825 - 01/27/24 11:47 AM (18 hours, 57 minutes ago)

Cyan gets my vote. Nice finds those look beefy:congrats:


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: justjarvis]
    #28636850 - 01/27/24 12:00 PM (18 hours, 43 minutes ago)

Those fit Ps. cyanescens best as the margin is waving on the more mature ones. When they are young they can look like typical allenii. Subearuginosa, allenii, azurescens, and cyanescens are all very close geneticaly, I believe weraroa too, and from what I understand subsecotoides is genetically identical to cyanescens but obviously different. As far as I understand they are all identical microscopically, and some are considering them all subaeruginosa(such as subaeruginosa var. allenii).
I have genetics from Australia that express azurescens and allenii traits along with typical subaeruginosa traits in the same patches, the white basket grow in my sig is allenii genetics, but show a lot of cyanescens traits. The cyanescens phenotype is very distinct and possibly more tolerant and a better hitchhiker than some of the others based on how widely distributed around the world it is. The traits seem very uniform across the populations in New Zeeland, UK, Germany, Eastern and Western North America, where It seems like allenii and subaeruginosa are a little more diverse. Just my observations.
A very cool talk about the discovery and cultivation of azurescens
It gets confusing the more you look into it, it’s safe to say they all share a common ancestor, but where the branches split still seems a bit muddy.


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Land Trout]
    #28637220 - 01/27/24 05:44 PM (12 hours, 59 minutes ago)

If they're all genetically "identical", they should be treated as one species.  Why aren't they?
What we now call serbica used to be several species as well, which are now concidered varieties. Unlike subaeruginosa/cyanescens+++, they differ microscopically.
According to evolution theory, doesn't all mushrooms share a common ancestor? :laugh:


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28637255 - 01/27/24 06:13 PM (12 hours, 31 minutes ago)

Yeah even I am a little bit confused about the phylogenetic/molecular data and their taxonomic implications going forward


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Moria841]
    #28637273 - 01/27/24 06:25 PM (12 hours, 18 minutes ago)

I think some are "macroscopically" identical? Different genetically though?

One grow in my mind is Babayaga liberty caps. He really had half fruits look wild huge with bumpy white stems and wavy large caps. These actives are just tough decomposers and they have shape-shifting abilities to be tough in more conditions


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28637299 - 01/27/24 06:43 PM (12 hours, 53 seconds ago)

Quote:

Psilosadhu said:
According to evolution theory, doesn't all mushrooms share a common ancestor? :laugh:



Right, recent common ancestor.


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Land Trout]
    #28637358 - 01/27/24 07:35 PM (11 hours, 9 minutes ago)

What happened to semilanceata/strictipes, by the way? They're slightly different both macroscopically and microscopically but genetically the same species. Is strictipes now concidered a variety? haven't seen it being called psilocybe semilanceata var. strictipes anywhere.


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Re: Woodloving Psilocybe [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28637533 - 01/28/24 12:30 AM (6 hours, 14 minutes ago)

Quote:

Psilosadhu said:
What happened to semilanceata/strictipes, by the way? They're slightly different both macroscopically and microscopically but genetically the same species. Is strictipes now concidered a variety? haven't seen it being called psilocybe semilanceata var. strictipes anywhere.





Psilocybe strictipes is probably a synonym of P. pelliculosa, as it was described from Oregon on conifer debris.  Some authors have misapplied this name to P. semilanceata that had caps that opened up more than usual.


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