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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: kirkeng] * 1
    #28634374 - 01/25/24 11:13 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

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I find experience between tamps and mexicana to be fairly similar. Both I would consider rather gentle and easy going, very body centric to me. I find them to be very effective in assessing issues in my body, they ease pain but highlight the areas where my body is not as healthy. I much prefer fruits over stones as well, absolutely hate eating stones… They’re my go to mushrooms for getting a massage!



Sweet! Thanks mate. Potency wise compared to cubes?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: SwabMarley] * 1
    #28634387 - 01/25/24 11:24 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

Yeah around thereabouts, I recall several years ago I had some samples hplc tested at like 9-11mg/g if I remember correctly? Have since lost the report so going off memory purely. Those tests were in regards to fruits not stones.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: kirkeng]
    #28634588 - 01/25/24 02:30 PM (2 days, 15 hours ago)


So... Havent been very present with my stone tubs.
I want to save the stones - Can I?

I thought I could put some salt on the green. Mist it, wait 4 hours, maybe 6. go outside with it. Extract the stones, wash them with chlorox or similar and dry.

Anything wrong with that train of thought? Better idea?

I do have a success. First Tampanensis pins


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: kirkeng] * 1
    #28634591 - 01/25/24 02:32 PM (2 days, 15 hours ago)

I've been having body relationship issues.  Fell back into bad habits over covid, smoking, not exercising, etc.

The fruits do have a lot less body load than cubes and some of the alien-ness could be my feeling alienated from my body generally.

DMT breakthroughs for me are much more somatic than visual other-wordly shit.

Which is me saying thanks kirkeng for the alternate perspective.  I think I'll look again at the fruits.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog] * 3
    #28634642 - 01/25/24 03:19 PM (2 days, 15 hours ago)

Of course my man! Respect to everyone’s experience and perspective. I think in some regard though my experience and view of them is somewhat predicated on the situation of my life when I worked with them more heavily. During that time I was maneuvering through bad chronic respiratory issues stemming from long term mold and spore exposure from my previous employment, or at least that’s what my gut says, I don’t go to the doctors so really who knows.

But during that time I was sitting in and working sweat lodge fires, something that really forced me into my body,  many times a week for a period while working with tamps and mexicana daily really trying to tap into the issues with my respiratory, and those mushrooms in particular lended me the most insight and relief, along side the sweats. Further through that experience I was able to quit a bad drinking habit. So I think context also matters in the conversation.

Now they have just taken that role in my life I suppose given the history of it all. I think very easily another species could have fulfilled that role it just so happened to be them. I guess what I’m trying to say is the context of the intention is what facilitates how those relationships develop for me. I’d be curious to see how that could change for you given a different intention and contextual arrangement with them!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: kirkeng] * 2
    #28634711 - 01/25/24 04:32 PM (2 days, 13 hours ago)

I'm excited to explore them more.  Your post reminded me of a killer massage I got on them, and I have chronic body pain and generally not a good relationship with my body right now.

I just got off the phone with my dad, and he's also dealing with a lot of chronic body stuff.  A lot of it age related, but also working in construction when he was younger catching up with him.


Anyway, he wants to try them (and Pans and the stones).


I do like the stones for their visual intensity, but I don't think they have a lot of depth.  I ate 15g or so at the tail end of a Pan trip today and that was nice and helpful for integration.  By themselves, though, I tend to get lost in the visuals and the stories I tell myself about the visuals.

I think I'll swap my micro dosing of sclerotia out for the fruits and focus more on Qi Gong and yoga for my self care.

Any advice on getting a good flush?  I have an atl 7 clustering pheno running on 1:4 coir in a jcm water tub.  It's not producing as well as I would like.  Makes nice clusters consistently, but I haven't gotten it to put out a good pinset.  Cased with 50/50 sand.

I have MS Bisporus fruiting fine in the same conditions.  I am misting the Tamps though because the sand seems to soak things up.  Maybe I'm over misting?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Genome794]
    #28634799 - 01/25/24 06:17 PM (2 days, 12 hours ago)

Yes those are pins, as far as saving the stones if they’re not in direct contact with green shit, you could probably wash them in a 10% bleach solution, and they would be fine to consume
Better yet would to mash up the stones and boil them in tee, strain all the crap out, and drink the tea

The worst you would get, would be Calizicalmcphobia that’s where your afraid of your penis turns into a banana 🤡


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: plate.82]
    #28635070 - 01/25/24 10:17 PM (2 days, 8 hours ago)

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Edit: I did not read carefully enough. The mycellium is NOT active. Only the stones and fruits.
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Yes, and more potent than cubes.

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im way late on this but , i think it does contain psilocybin, just in much lower concentrations and has a separate composition.  mycelium does contain other alkaloids  in higher concentrations than in the fruiting body that are assumedly part of the "entourage" though. so mycelium is barely active you could say?.... to trip on it alone youd need impractical amounts that would be exponentially more productive if put to make mushrooms instead. but if u already have fruits the alkaloids in the mycelium could probably provide a boost to certain traits of the experience. i think? ...

(i am definitely not the authority on this though nor do i have any qualifications to be lol) *shakesperian acting voice*"who am i but a mortal... pondering the reasoning's of dragons?"

also, when i threw some tamp stem butts to cardboard i definitely noticed the growing mycelium turn blueish after i unfortunately dried it out

this study is on cubes but i think its implied somewhere in there, that other species mycelium similarly produces alkaloids in different concentrations than the fruits

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/ffunb.2023.1295223/full

btw i intended to say that in a friendly informative kind of way, not an argumentative  smart ass matter of fact kind of way if thats how it came off


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
    #28635108 - 01/25/24 11:34 PM (2 days, 6 hours ago)

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Yes those are pins, as far as saving the stones if they’re not in direct contact with green shit, you could probably wash them in a 10% bleach solution, and they would be fine to consume
Better yet would to mash up the stones and boil them in tee, strain all the crap out, and drink the tea

The worst you would get, would be Calizicalmcphobia that’s where your afraid of your penis turns into a banana 🤡




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Thank you for the info. Gotta go get ready for "the yuk". I really dislike green. Dont cherish the idea of having prolonged contact with it.

I didn't want to say Sodium Hypochlorite solution. Clorox was the only US bleach I could remember.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Genome794]
    #28635169 - 01/26/24 02:44 AM (2 days, 3 hours ago)

I bet the dried stones are fun to eat :lol:

Does everyone just make tea out of them I’m guessing. I’d never thought of using stones for microdosing. I’ll have to give that a try! Good idea!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #28635262 - 01/26/24 05:59 AM (2 days, 30 minutes ago)

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I bet the dried stones are fun to eat :lol:

Does everyone just make tea out of them I’m guessing. I’d never thought of using stones for microdosing. I’ll have to give that a try! Good idea!




I just make tea for macro.  Rather dried or not.

For dry stones I chop them before dehydration, so they're easier to grind later.  Make capsules or tea from the powder.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog]
    #28635268 - 01/26/24 06:15 AM (2 days, 14 minutes ago)

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I bet the dried stones are fun to eat :lol:

Does everyone just make tea out of them I’m guessing. I’d never thought of using stones for microdosing. I’ll have to give that a try! Good idea!




I just make tea for macro.  Rather dried or not.

For dry stones I chop them before dehydration, so they're easier to grind later.  Make capsules or tea from the powder.



Makes sense! Thanks again bud :thumbup:


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: SwabMarley] * 2
    #28635330 - 01/26/24 07:40 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

For sure!

Giving up on my current Tamp clones.  They cluster and put out a lot of stones in the casing but the fruits are skinny and the pinsets not great.

Took 9 tissue samples from these guys.  Three from the stone and six from the two large fruits.

Thick and clustering.  There's four fruits there but the smallest is hard to see.  And a fat stone. Hopefully they put up a decent pin set once I take them away from MS.




Excited!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #28635482 - 01/26/24 10:23 AM (1 day, 20 hours ago)

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I bet the dried stones are fun to eat :lol:

Does everyone just make tea out of them I’m guessing. I’d never thought of using stones for microdosing. I’ll have to give that a try! Good idea!




I just make tea for macro.  Rather dried or not.

For dry stones I chop them before dehydration, so they're easier to grind later.  Make capsules or tea from the powder.



Makes sense! Thanks again bud :thumbup:




Was just thinking I would add, tea is one of my two favorite ways to take stones.  I like the simplicity of it.  Mince like garlic, add a bit of acid (citric acid is nice and I use less than eighth of a teaspoon per two cups).  Simmer ten or so minutes.  Strain stones.  Add honey.  Drink.

My other favorite way is to do the above but instead of adding honey, make hot chocolate out of the liquid after you strain it.  I treated some friends to this recently, and they all really enjoyed the flavor and the trip.  They all took 10g or so and thought next time they'd like to try 15g.

Stones kinda remind me of what 2c-b would be like if it was a tryptamine.  So, for group trips, my friends really liked them.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog]
    #28636190 - 01/26/24 08:41 PM (1 day, 9 hours ago)

Hey all, quick question. I've got several jars of tampanensis and ATL7 approaching three months on rye. I want to fruit each jar individually to find some clones. I plan to put them in tiny meatloaf tins, case, and place in shoeboxes. Is there a concensus on best casing for fruiting? I saw another thread that consisted of 50:50 jiffy and play sand, pasteurized and cased at 1/4 inch. Neglect tek until pinning and then dub tub. Will this method work well or should I be considering something else? Thanks so much!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: PsychedelicGator]
    #28636292 - 01/26/24 10:37 PM (1 day, 7 hours ago)

Ive used peatmoss on most of mine but im kida getting away from anything


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99] * 2
    #28636868 - 01/27/24 12:17 PM (18 hours, 12 minutes ago)

I went and routed around in that green box (after the precautions I mentioned before).

Some of the immediately rejected stones.


The selected stones after some cleaning... A few more were rejected - on the right.


Weigh in.


So there wasnt too great a loss. Will be drying, grinding and putting in capsules.

My pins. These ones.

No further growth. More have arrived but all appear to have stalled. it even looks like one's cap has opened, its like 2-3mm across. I am keeing them damp - misting twice a day. Standard dimension unmodified 30L monotub. I had the lid skew on the tub for some FAE.

I dont know how to get them to go... Any advice would be welcome.
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