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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Asante]
#28632749 - 01/24/24 01:26 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Asante said: ...while pianoman was in his right.
I'm not so sure about that, though. It looks like the piano is inside a shopping mall. That's a private space, not a public one. On private property, you can legally limit (and most businesses in fact do) photo and video recording.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks] 1
#28632754 - 01/24/24 01:35 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago) |
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If people are filming a news story. Somebody can’t walk up to them and tell them to stop filming it because they wanna walk by. It’s up to the business in this case. The business set up a piano and let people stream. He probably asked if he was able to stream to YouTube in there. Those people didn’t have any grounds to stop them. He could have asked to have been censored out of the video. People have asked for that. But people have not been able to just have somebody not be able to film just because they exist in the same space.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28632776 - 01/24/24 02:46 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Well, you assume that he had permission to stream. You also seem to assume that this permission extended to filming onlookers. I doubt either of these assumptions are valid, let alone both.
> But people have not been able to just have somebody not be able to film just because they exist in the same space. No, but like you said, it's up to the owner of the space. And corporations these days are generally quite restrictive when it comes to these things. Understandably so - see what comes of it.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks]
#28632876 - 01/24/24 06:00 AM (3 days, 16 hours ago) |
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it's only illegal if it's used to defame or extort what they were doing is completely legal
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Yokal]
#28632885 - 01/24/24 06:11 AM (3 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Yokal said: it's only illegal if it's used to defame or extort what they were doing is completely legal
No. Portrait law in all Western countries explicitly entitle the persons depicted to block publication of the images. This is regardless of additional regulations imposed by private property owners.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks] 2
#28633414 - 01/24/24 02:37 PM (3 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Asante said: ...while pianoman was in his right.
I'm not so sure about that, though. It looks like the piano is inside a shopping mall. That's a private space, not a public one. On private property, you can legally limit (and most businesses in fact do) photo and video recording.
It's a train station. You can film in public places in the UK as long as it's not for criminal or terrorist purposes. There's no portrait law that extends over that.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Northerner]
#28633431 - 01/24/24 02:53 PM (3 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Doesn't youtube take down videos of people filmed against their will?
They could nuke the video.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Asante]
#28633433 - 01/24/24 02:56 PM (3 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Absolutely not. YouTube could not care less. There are numerous videos up on YouTube right now of people saying stop filming me. In fact, there are entire channels dedicated to it. Pretty gross actually.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#28633878 - 01/24/24 10:00 PM (3 days, 33 minutes ago) |
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I imagine they had something they were afraid about
like the chinese government using facial recognition to track them and find out something they didn't want the government to know about
if it was me i'd turn the camera off and ask them privately if they were scared and they could share what they were scared of
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Freedom]
#28633921 - 01/25/24 12:15 AM (2 days, 22 hours ago) |
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you can film pretty much what you want in public in the UK- no one can do a thing about it.
couple of points >
the guy is known for confronting people in an aggressive way and not leaving it alone (hes making content for his channel - the more clickbait he can make the better it does)
the chinese people have no clue about UK law and the guy that starts shouting is being way too aggressive - he also trys to play the race card when the chinese flag is mentioned.
my main concern was when the police got involved and the policewoman who took him to one side tried to gaslight him into thinking he was in the wrong - totally unacceptable behaviour by the police.
the police should have told the chinese people that its totally legal and that they just need to move if they dont want to be filmed - it can also be noted in the video that members of the chinese party are filming and i will bet they have not asked anyone for permission either (regardless of the fact you dont need it in a public place)
....the UK has gone to shit from a legal standpoint of defending its own residents and many natives are tired of this crap.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Northerner]
#28633945 - 01/25/24 01:31 AM (2 days, 21 hours ago) |
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koraks said:
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Asante said: ...while pianoman was in his right.
I'm not so sure about that, though. It looks like the piano is inside a shopping mall. That's a private space, not a public one. On private property, you can legally limit (and most businesses in fact do) photo and video recording.
It's a train station. You can film in public places in the UK as long as it's not for criminal or terrorist purposes. There's no portrait law that extends over that.
Railways in the UK have been privatized for years. Hence, the trainstations are PRIVATE property, not public space in a legal sense.
This station in particular is St. Pancras and it has explicit regulations on filming for the public pianos in particular:
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As primarily the pianos are for general enjoyment, we ask that anyone wishing to perform, photograph or film at the pianos for commercial gain, apply to use it for this purpose via the same form and contacts as below.
https://stpancras.com/filming-photography-and-events
They also explicitly limit filming and photography for commercial purposes. Since the guy from the YouTube video (Brendan Kavanagh) is a professional piano player, by all means his video was/is subject to these regulations.
All of the above is of course separate from the issue of portrait rights.
TL;DR don't assume a railway station is a public place just because there's lots of people running around. Legally, it isn't.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks] 2
#28633950 - 01/25/24 01:45 AM (2 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Shouty caps are not necessary.
Didn't know that train stations in the UK were private, it seems like an insane thing to sell off. I wonder if this gives the Chinese in the video any legal standing. I certainly hope it doesn't, their behaviour was out of sync with the country they were visiting. I'm sure some fuckers are digging deep looking for some legal justification for their inconsistency.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks]
#28633952 - 01/25/24 01:49 AM (2 days, 20 hours ago) |
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This simply reinforces my suspicions that he probably got the permission to stream from that piano. I doubt that was the first time he had ever done that before. So, having already gained permission to be doing that. Somebody certainly didn’t have the permission to stop him.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28633958 - 01/25/24 02:09 AM (2 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: Shouty caps are not necessary.
Didn't know that train stations in the UK were private, it seems like an insane thing to sell off.
Well, it only happened in the 1990s after all and it's not like there has been any attention given in media or research to the vast sweep of privatizations that swept across the European continent starting in the 1980s with Thatcher kissing ass to Raegan and some critical infrastructure now having ended up in the hands of the Chinese. To cut a very long story short.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Somebody certainly didn’t have the permission to stop him.
Permission to film does not waive portrait rights. The doubtful bit is to what extent these Chinese people were reasonably expecting the video to be published commercially (which, mind you, this is; the guy's YouTube channel is part of his business as a pro piano player). But even if they didn't, they had, and still do, all the right to demand the footage not to be published for commercial purposes. Which, again, is exactly what happened.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: koraks]
#28633967 - 01/25/24 02:36 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago) |
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UK public should have been up in arms about those assets being sold. That said Australians were very complacent when our telephone and electricity grids were sold off.
One might question about how public laws are applied in private spaces like train stations in the UK, as well. Like guards at the station could expect to be treated as if they were working on private property, as they are there in a private capacity, whereas the public who are there in a public capacity may be subject to public laws except where that crosses over with things like station employees and trespassing laws.
Just speculating here, because it seemed in the video that the police and public were under the impression that the people there have public rights in the station.
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Northerner] 1
#28634749 - 01/25/24 05:24 PM (2 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Northerner]
#28634787 - 01/25/24 06:10 PM (2 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Northerner]
#28635125 - 01/26/24 12:15 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago) |
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awwww yay! It makes me incredibly happy that the piano has been freed!!!!! 
There is one line from the link you shared, Northerner, regarding taking pictures in the train station that caught my attention: "Please respect the fact that some people may not want to be photographed." I wonder exactly what that means? Does this mean you are allowed to set up a camera and film the guy playing piano and any passerbys can be on camera? What if the passerby stops and says they don't want to be filmed, like what the group of Chinese people did?
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#28635129 - 01/26/24 12:25 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: awwww yay! It makes me incredibly happy that the piano has been freed!!!!! 
There is one line from the link you shared, Northerner, regarding taking pictures in the train station that caught my attention: "Please respect the fact that some people may not want to be photographed." I wonder exactly what that means? Does this mean you are allowed to set up a camera and film the guy playing piano and any passerbys can be on camera? What if the passerby stops and says they don't want to be filmed, like what the group of Chinese people did?
i think it means that you have the right to film people, and you have the right to not film people
and please be kind with your rights
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Re: Guy playing some awesome piano in the UK gets harrassed by Chinese tourists saying to not film them in public [Re: Freedom]
#28635142 - 01/26/24 12:56 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago) |
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Would make a big difference if people acted politely and respectfully as a default mode, without legal compulsion. Crazy world.
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