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InvisibleHolybullshit
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Re: [IL] Chemistry graduate research assistant accused of creating meth on campus [Re: veggie]
    #28634414 - 01/25/24 11:49 AM (2 days, 7 hours ago)

Reminds me of an old member of opiophile before its demise... He synthesized pcp and fentanyl on campus, long before the fentanyl crisis. Before I guess after a night of too much PCP he went stark raving mad running and screaming down the halls.

He and his buddy had done so much pure fentanyl, and were probably suffering from polydrug withdrawals that weren't being treated, that it became an extreme challenge to get on maintenance therapy. Even 300mg a day of methadone was falling short, struggling to find any medical practitioners willing to go further to treat them(or at least one of them, been so long).

As far as this guy is concerned, he clearly would have been better off just stealing the glassware he needed and doing this at home... But maybe he didn't want to go through the trouble of building his own hoods. I wonder what route he was using, I guess soon I'll be able to look up the case and see what the precursor was. If he had pure norepinephrine, then obtaining lithium is easy enough, he definitely could have done this at home safely even if he was producing his own ammonia... And it's not like those labs are set up for bulk production, so with a little cleverness he should have been able to obtain all the ammonia necessary ready to go and neutralized any smells with even with little room.

Probably just overconfident, or maybe he was on benzos... Clouding his judgment.

I always found it kind of humorous the lengths trained chemists would go to follow safety protocols before battering their bodies with the hard drugs they made.

Also, sounds like he was going through a lot of trouble to either get maximum yields, or recover every bit of norepinephrine he was purifying, rather than getting in in and out... I guess he saw Thanksgiving break as an opportunity to make enough to last him for a long long time... Surely he wasn't doing it for money as cheap as meth is now.


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Re: [IL] Chemistry graduate research assistant accused of creating meth on campus [Re: durian_2008]
    #28634622 - 01/25/24 03:04 PM (2 days, 4 hours ago)

Lots of people have the idea, very few go through with it.

Those that I have known who have, especially at the University level, not some shake and bake operation, have just had a concurrent love of chemistry... And drugs. And their two interest naturally merged, they didn't get into chemistry to get high.

It's probably the same with this guy, or given his age that he was already into chemistry before he ever started doing drugs. Like I said, meth is cheap, so cheap that you can't make real money off it unless you're making it in bulk nowadays, not money worth the prison time, and anyone with a job can support a habit... He likely went ahead with synthesis because of his love of chemistry. Not because he couldn't source it elsewhere. Or he just wanted to be sure he had "safe" meth(lol).


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Re: [IL] Chemistry graduate research assistant accused of creating meth on campus [Re: durian_2008]
    #28634652 - 01/25/24 03:27 PM (2 days, 3 hours ago)

It's doable, takes a lot more dedication and natural intelligence. If you don't have the kind of parents that can assist with at least a local state or community college, then you aren't likely to have been in a school district to have taught you the requisite math and science skills to teach yourself real chemistry. Maybe you can follow along with somebody else's instructions and a lot of help online and have a little success with easier routes. You're going to need to at least get some financial aid and go to community college to get those to make sense of most chemistry textbooks.

But to teach yourself literally everything you need to do real chem on your own you are going to need to be very driven, and gifted. And at least lucky enough to have lived in a decent public school district despite your family's financial standing.

And to get very far with it, at least safely, you need a substantial amount of financial resources for glassware.

I.E. not already addicted to drugs, and not just driven to get high, but a real love and without the distraction, financial drain, or stress of supporting a habit.

And then you still can't get a real job in the industry. So basically a genius wasting their fucking time and gifts. When they could be doing something meaningful, or could go get a real education on the relative cheap at a state school and get a real job doing what you love and pay your loans off in no time. So what's the point?

Takes a lot of stars lining up right to get further than shake and bake, to have a real understanding that you can practically apply. Glassware to do something with it. And access to the needed catalysts and precursors.

Meth is one of the easiest drug synthesis there are. And you can't really make anything much more interesting than that without real equipment. Even if, you're likely to have all kind of nasty contaminants in it if you do it self-taught with a DIY rig.

Especially nowadays when you have to make precursors yourself.

Do it any other way and you're likely to be akin to a moonshiner making liquor with a rusted out car radiator. End up something that no one should really consume, and poison or hurt yourself in the process of making it.

I mean if you're smart you can teach yourself theoretical quantum physics, rocket science, medicine. All easier than teaching yourself chemistry honestly, as none require equipment. But without credentials, you're never going to be able to use them in a meaningful way. So why bother? It'll barely amount to a hobby.

Of course I say that as somebody who knows more about neuropharmacology than most psychiatrists. Even without a related degree was asked to become a research assistant once, but it didn't pay enough to survive on, lol.


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