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Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? * 1
    #28632897 - 01/24/24 06:24 AM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

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In the grand theater of existence, behold!
The magnum opus, the tale to be told.
A species supreme, with intellect rare,
Behold, dear universe, the human affair!


From humble origins, we arose,
Through trials and errors, our story compose.
A cosmic concoction of stardust and dreams,
In the cosmic arena, we reign, it seems.


Oh, Homo sapiens, the crown jewel divine,
In the cosmic tapestry, our brilliance does shine.
With minds like galaxies, vast and untamed,
Behold our brilliance, forever unclaimed.


From the lowly amoeba to Homo erectus,
Evolution's masterpiece, the human nexus.
A symphony of genes, a dance of cells,
We emerged victorious from nature's spells.


With opposable thumbs, we grasped the throne,
Mastering the Earth, making it our own.
Mountains we conquered, oceans we sailed,
The universe quivered as our saga unveiled.


Behold the wonders we've wrought with our hands,
Skyscrapers reaching to celestial lands.
From the wheel to the internet's might,
Our creations illuminate the cosmic night.


In the realm of creation, we stand tall,
Sculptors of destiny, architects of the sprawl.
From philosophy's heights to art's grandeur,
We're the universe's most prized curator.


Oh, humans, the zenith of creation's spree,
Narcissus in awe of our own decree.
But let's not forget, with a wink and a cheer,
Our grandiosity's just a veneer.


In the cosmic ballet, we twirl and we prance,
Yet humility's the key to cosmic romance.
So here's to humans, with tongues in our cheeks,
Let's savor our absurdity, as the cosmos peaks!





Re: please write an over the top poem lauding the human species, with tongue-in-cheek narcissistic appeal





Do you believe we are an evolutionary end point and that AI will take over from us as the next step, or do you believe theres a long evolutionary journey ahead?


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #28632925 - 01/24/24 07:10 AM (4 days, 6 hours ago)

AI is - in my opinion - like writing and metallurgy.
It may initially enhance war and greed, but it has the potential for much more.

would the medieval thinkers have extended Leonardo's dreams and imagined our world today?

while we are not quite beyond the taint of slavery (are there not more people in servitude today than ever) At least we have a loosely defined leisure class that is mixed with workers.

AI does not pursue yoga and philosophy for self soothing and improvement/growth, yet, but it may as a consequence of helping humans retire from slavery into vital and fulfilling pursuits.

I am hoping to see some advancements like warp drive and transporters...


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Asante]
    #28633194 - 01/24/24 11:26 AM (4 days, 2 hours ago)

I think we are at a tipping point that has to do with mastery over environment.

For the majority of our existence our cultures had to adapt us to our environments. People in arctic environments had to have arctic cultures to survive, jungle environments created and maintained jungle cultures. Even mass monocrop farming environments created and needed monocrop farming cultures.

Unless things fall apart, which they might, culture is now no longer bound by environmental survival pressures. The tide is turning, instead of environment shaping culture, culture now shapes environment.


So from a cultural perspective, I think we are about to see a great diversification and probably competition and conflict.


The technological advances also mean that more mutants can survive and reproduce. I don't mean this in a pejorative sense. Biologically, we will see more diversification than in the past because of a lessoning of survival pressures.

For example a radically different way of being human could emerge from something like down syndrome.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Freedom]
    #28633229 - 01/24/24 12:04 PM (4 days, 1 hour ago)

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Freedom said:
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The technological advances also mean that more mutants can survive and reproduce. I don't mean this in a pejorative sense. Biologically, we will see more diversification than in the past because of a lessoning of survival pressures.

...



this is realistically true, but if we can back off from warring, then we will have more variety in our species, but if we cannot hold back from fighting, then some mutants will form breeding clades and separate species will ensue.

Since it is known that many of us Homo Sapiens have some Neanderthal DNA, it is likely that we actually prefer to mix than to fight and form clades; in spite of how the authoritarian populists are fomenting fear of intermixing.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28633239 - 01/24/24 12:14 PM (4 days, 1 hour ago)

AI am perfectioning my speech.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28633444 - 01/24/24 03:12 PM (3 days, 22 hours ago)

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' ล  รฅ แนŠ '  said:

*Humans : are we a transit station or the end of the line ?






Cannot compute! Not enough data... 

In terms of the %s of something's occurrence happening in any specific number of ways (esp. with something novel [new to humanity], like with 'A.I.') its unfurling sometime in the now & how it becomes about after tis 'through' 'cooking in the kitchen of causality' (at least) enough so that its considered 'baked ready for consumption'?  e (so to speak) .. idfk... :lol:

Just by predicting based on now? No numbers at hand, etc.
That's a toughie. .
Still - it is very interestingly, weirdly, and sci-fi coolness to think about... and a touch freaky wrt the *unknowns* simply just entertaining the potential possibilities.

I had to guess, Safe bet style? :goodmorning:

...Like much of what humanity has fashioned from nature thus far. Likely, "whatever it is" ~ prob. nearly bound to be utilized in a myriad of different ways. 
(hopefully, less sky-netty, more sky-letting, maybe netti-netti!)


Quote:

*History's Magical-8-Ball said:

...(Shake me one more time and see what happens...[:uhoh:])
Chances are:
Used as it can for the betterment of the good for many.
Also, so it likely goes for the opposite of the above also coming true too.
*



:popcorn:
It still remains to be seen.  :shrug:
I guess we'll keep seeing until we don't.  :strokebeard:

...or...
maybe you just want sexy poems ?

:ohyou:


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28633595 - 01/24/24 05:31 PM (3 days, 20 hours ago)

I have a hypothetical question. If you were falling to your death in an airplane and there was only one other person in the back of the airplane with you, would you embrace the person or not? I think, regardless, the majority of the time, if you could actually run this thing like a simulation, people would do exactly that, regardless of who the other person is. There is something between all of us that can never be taken away, and it doesn't matter what religion or what you think.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28633620 - 01/24/24 05:56 PM (3 days, 19 hours ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
I have a hypothetical question. If you were falling to your death in an airplane and there was only one other person in the back of the airplane with you, would you embrace the person or not? I think, regardless, the majority of the time, if you could actually run this thing like a simulation, people would do exactly that, regardless of who the other person is. There is something between all of us that can never be taken away, and it doesn't matter what religion or what you think.





When I am really truly aware that we all die, every moment of my life and other people's life is seen as precious.

This image captures something about that for me. I don't mean to judge watching TV, it can be a beautiful part of life. You can substitute any moment or aspect of your life and put it in there. It puts things in perspective.



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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28633698 - 01/24/24 07:06 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

It depends...What if you were on a flight to see your family, on a single passenger flight -ie- only you and the pilot (no co-pilot).

Perhaps the other with you meant to commit suicide without your knowledge.

Or, they weren't even suicidal, who knows? 
Maybe they were somehow or other essentially 'deranged', or, maniacal, rather perhaps even freakishly 'sane' and fully cognizant or what they were doing, but for whatever reason (or for no reason, but whim, or who knows what?) had some highly peculiar penchant which only activated under the most rarefied of conditions - and - 'the stars aligned' in that respect, on the day you were the 1 and only passenger, for whatever reason - or - they desired to cause harm/murder whomever happened to be on said flight that day, regardless of whomever the individual might've been. 

Maybe - to do so just to do it -
With good reason (if that's even possible)
or ~ without any discernible reason, Mmm'kay?

Let's say said person, aka, 'The Pilot' was like something of the above or otherwise close to something like it.

...then, btw, you were able to learn, discern as an irrefutable fact they had done so.  either with or without their admittance or 'confession' of their unwholesome-action - and - Upon recognizing the situation as such, prompted them questions about it, and, did so that they gave nothing of a note of even a flicker of an ember's tip's very tippity most toppity of a lick worth of detectable remorse or guilt or conscience for doing so?

While you literally [say, idk, by accident]  caught them midact whilst doing so 'red-handed' so to speak - intentionally & maliciously sabotaging the plane for your demise?
Either: with or without their own as intentional too?
Same'ish, more or less...

Despite all of the above, what if after conversation you'd learned they're ~ (despite the imminent reality of what's occurring closing in fast by the minute/second) ~ an otherwise not insane, persay, nor were they intellectually 'unable' or something to that effect?

Understanding of what they'd done.  Who knows? Maybe simply they desired to hurt someone and or kill them like so ~ and that someone just... happens to be you, and, now you both happen to be together going along for the ride of a lifetime too? (very bad pun, very much intended)


Would you still embrace them if any in each of all the above cases regardless of however one might rationalize and combine them so?

Ik, Ik...:strokebeard:
I'm playing the ol' devil's advocate role here, but hey, it's a hypothetical - and - sometimes it isn't, at least not for some. People can and do find themselves in all sorts of weirdly bizarre, uncalled for, and unlucky a.f. type situations in life sometimes.
So yeah, there's that.  :oldman:

Now that all that b.s. is out of the way... 
I put it aside my horns and join humanity and
try to maybe share something more in line with my actual person.

I think, *depending on how exactly* on what transpires -before, during, and after learning *they've (ie - said trusty ol' meanie pilot) ~ sabotaged the plane to harm/kill? In effect, knowingly taking your life down along with it, there still might - m a y b e - depending on how things play out while time's still ticking that...

It is Tricksy!  Sure, maybe I want to embrace the other, personally, depending on the real actual circumstance in the moment-to-moment just up until the end approaching like if light itself were coiling/charging itself up before just before bursting out at max speed...well, since it is light...I guess...'light speed'.  :tongue:

What if they 'Other' [btw, I'm no longer referring/talking about Mr. Meanie Pilot Head] did not want to hug and or embrace you in any kind of way physical whatsoever at all? 

Again, tricksy, potentially anyway. :shrug:


Anyways...forgetting about all the above, overall?
Insofar as your hypothetical goes?  I tend to agree with you on that front in general I suppose.

I think I would more than likely probably go for the embrace.
Then again... I'm like all in big time on a lil love, gnome saying? :mushroom2:

I would definitely rather embrace, or, meditate in closing in on the last word written upon the very last page of one's lifetime before the book closes for good, so to speak. 

If I could 'have it my way',  heh, then I'd like for both an embrace of sorts, and, go out fully in the moment insofar as possible, if each were potentially both equally possible at the same time. 

If it were with someone I had already had developed a mutual relationship for and we each cared for one another (ex. family, friends, etc) ~ then it might depend on them.

Alone though? If nothing could truly be done about it to change my fate? Then that's that. 

I would want to go out by going being as naturally as can be within the moment as deeply as can possibly be under such circumstances, fully emptied within, and all around awareness of the moment itself encompassing inwardly flowing out and all around until the very end.

Preferably in a certain posture, if possible.  For all I know I might be thrown around hitting walls every other second the whole way down - which could change things, lmao. 

But...if...if enabled of the conditions to be able to sit, lie down, relatively still or preferably perhaps...'floating'?
(free falling ~ resembling 'close enough to ~'0'~grav ' [maybe, at least, for a time anyways]

Insofar as one could while in a possibly with various degrees of intense turbulence via the tub of metal now hurtling/falling through the atmosphere to the Earth's surface?

~ primally zazen'd
- all natural - nondualized - 
Like it were literally the best thing in the entire world ever. :geordinod:

I was foolishly dumb and a bit too arrogant and brave once (while relatively much younger) enough to do something similar (albeit alone/solo) while during the middle of a mighty hurricane.

  To say the least - it was some kind of something, yerp. 
Pls, don't emulate, it was sheer, pure, dumb, stupid luck that nothing happened gruesomely horrendous befell me at the time.
Testing one's mettle while simultaneously also doing something extreme to become more better acquainted with less familiar parts, processes, and responses [and their range of efx, etc] while under extreme duress, as per made available via our being's brain, plus, for *hopefully* obtaining some insight as to the body & bodily operations too - which I think, in general, are good things to test out and do so well - Imhoe.

Although...(at least) One...thing I would cap all this hoopla, chest thumping, foolishness off with is:

There are much wiser & smarter ways to achieve similar effects/results with respect to getting to 'know oneself'.
Than say, doing the above - So, generally speaking - the possibilities are near-endless as to other ways...without endangering one's very own life in process. ...:picard:

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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28633711 - 01/24/24 07:19 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

it's probably my wife anyway,
otherwise maybe hold hands with the stranger.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28633721 - 01/24/24 07:28 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

hand holding is chill.  :thumbup:


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28633866 - 01/24/24 09:31 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago)

:tldr:

Srry


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28634003 - 01/25/24 04:17 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago)

I don't think we won't be attracted to humans until about 100,000 years from now.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28634018 - 01/25/24 04:56 AM (3 days, 8 hours ago)

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redgreenvines said:
AI does not pursue yoga and philosophy for self soothing and improvement/growth, yet, but it may as a consequence of helping humans retire from slavery into vital and fulfilling pursuits.




good and cool point about yoga
it makes you a better person to others
that is one of the reasons to do it
even a little like 8 minutes

it also makes you have it better

more vital

more aware

more present

even hopefully more honest

it makes you able to navigate better

same with meditation

and drawing

and job

etc.

drugs can do the opposite
same with violence etc.


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28634058 - 01/25/24 06:31 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago)

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Since it is known that many of us Homo Sapiens have some Neanderthal DNA, it is likely that we actually prefer to mix than to fight and form clades; in spite of how the authoritarian populists are fomenting fear of intermixing.




From 1831-1848 the Comanche killed more than 2,600 Mexicans

The Apache were cruel and refused to embrace "diversity"


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28634062 - 01/25/24 06:39 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago)

Those tribes were authoritarian
It is a disease of the mind


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Re: Humans: are we a transit station or the end of the line? [Re: Asante]
    #28635057 - 01/25/24 09:50 PM (2 days, 15 hours ago)

On the one hand, people like to fuck. On the other hand, people like to kill. Just depends on which one of those wins out in the end, sex or violence.


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