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Mus H Room Man
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Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies
#28632687 - 01/23/24 10:05 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Hi everyone
3 Years ago, I had an experience of taking 5 heroes doses in 5 days of Blue Meanies (Powdered form) which seems to have impacted my brain and thinking patterns in a negative way. I've been suffering silently with being locked in a depressive state for 3 years since and recently finding it hard to get out of bed and keep going. A friend of mine suggested I post in this forum to ask for advice on how to correct the imbalance.
3 years ago, I was with a woman who claimed that taking a series of heroes doses of mushrooms would help me get to the core of the emotional challenges I was having at the time. I was new to mushrooms and since she was not, I trusted her (bad idea).
We both took a full packet of blue meanies 5 days straight, on an empty stomach (sorry, I can't remember the exact grams). We would then go on a trip from say 10 am to 2-3 and have a light dinner, then do it again the next day - 5 days straight.
I did have a series of psychadelic experiences, however towards the end of the 5 days became quite paranoid. 2 weeks later, we were paranoid that the neighbour was trying to kill us and that we should leave immediately. (In fairness, the neighbour was behaving very weirdly). We ended up driving 1500km to another city with the intention of abandoning the house and possessions and starting again. Not far into the drive, we realized we were still in the trip and acting from paranoia and physically, could barely drive half an hour without stopping for a rest. Somehow we made the 1500km drive and at the other end, saw sense to return and pack up the house and make the move in a more rational way. For me, I began experiencing severe panic attacks after the trip and became stuck in a depressive / anxious loop. I've done all kinds of healing sessions, clearing sessions, somatic work etc, but my brain just doesn't work the way it used to and after 3 years, have close to given up. I barely go out and physically am chronically exhausted.
My diet is great, I exercise as much as I can, but I always seem to return to not being able to function. I feel like the trip broke something in my brain.
Another friend has suggested Cambo (Frog Medicine) but I'm pretty cautious now after the mushroom experience.
Hope that's enough information. Anyone who's recovered from a bad trip and corrected their brain imbalance, would be glad to hear from you.
Cheers
MR T
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Mus H Room Man] 1
#28632697 - 01/23/24 10:20 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Sorry to hear about your experience, it must be very difficult for you.
Harmalas can significantly decrease anxiety and depression, are non addictive and pose low risk if not combined with other drugs or medications. They've been used for 1000's of years by humans for this, long before big pharma came up with the idea.
They may not work for you, but they worked for me and I've seen them work for other people.
Commonly acquired as Syrian Rue seed, Esphand, Esfand or Espand. It's all the same stuff.
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Mus H Room Man] 1
#28632862 - 01/24/24 05:41 AM (4 days, 2 hours ago) |
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A drug will not help you to adapt to being the adult that you have forced yourself to become by blasting out your more youthful (but troubled) self soothing habits.
A good friend Ferdinando here talks to me about wanting to find his center, Others seek a sense of wholeness that they have lost.
I think your health program is good, but you may need to allow yourself to rediscover self soothing - perhaps in gentle breathing meditation. This would not be a return to how it was before, but it will give you more of a sense of agency and peace.
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: redgreenvines]
#28633114 - 01/24/24 09:58 AM (3 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Sorry it really sucks to to be in such a state. Sounds like you’re doing a lot right though, eating healthy and getting exercise, but feeling that depressed is awful.
Try not to dwell on the idea that the trips broke your brain. They did not but they did change you, everyday we are changed living and you can make small changes along the way for better. It’s ok to feel bad notice it but don’t get stuck on it. When you exercise are there enjoyable parts? If so notice those too.
Kambo- is non-psychoactive a lot of people claim benefits from the peptides in the venom and a lot people use it as part of the purification prosees for Ayahuasca.
I have one done 3 sessions with it, 3 days in a row to me it most reminded me of hard exercise like running or biking up a very long hill without letting up. After the Kambo ordeal I felt relaxed like after exercising as well.
I doubt it will solve your state. Your state will require constant work and adjusting every day there is no magic drug or session (at least not in my case, I deal with similar depression you described).
Listening to some lectures/podcasts below people often help me, there are many good free recordings out there. Ram Dass Jack Kornfield Joseph Goldstein
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Mus H Room Man]
#28633115 - 01/24/24 09:59 AM (3 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Howdy.
Hang in there. We've all been there. Just take it easy. For most of us it only lasts a month or maybe 6 months or 12 months. Seems like you are going on 3 years. There is hope. You can recover.
You mention your diet and exercise regimen is good. That is great. Consider the following. Go vegan, get more sleep, drink water, abstain from alcohol and drugs, avoid caffeine, salt, and sugar, get more sun, set a routine and schedule, see nature, hear nature, see water, hear water, get a job, go to school, clean your room, house, and car, see a therapist, read self help books, meditate, get a physical, take a multivitamin, visit friends and family, get new friends, get a hobby, get back to basics, get a pet, get a plant, etc.
Just curious. How old are you? You mention you took shrooms to fix emotional issues. Perhaps your current situation was your destiny whether you took shrooms or not. Perhaps you have invented a totally false narrative blaming the shrooms experience. Maybe you would be worse off today if you hadn't taken shrooms. Maybe the shrooms did help. Abandon old narratives. Stop blaming the shrooms and focus on your mental health. Accept responsibility for your situation. Look to your past.
You could see a doctor and therapist and confess all this. It would be best to find a doctor and therapist who have tripped and are sympathetic to shrooms. But finding that type of healthcare is impossible. They might put "substance abuse" in your medical records. But go for it if you feel that is your issue. Get it documented and get professional help. If they recommend pills, maybe try the pills. Or maybe politely refuse the pills and request other forms of therapy.
A lot of mental health issues manifest between the ages of 15 and 25. Stuff from our childhood messes us up. So maybe your situation had nothing to do with the shrooms.
You are on the right track. Be patient. Explore all your options. Accept yourself. Surrender. Be yourself. Life is beautiful. We all have mental and physical scars. You have your scars. Accept your scars and move on. Love yourself. This is who you are. Stop trying to be who you are not and let the universe show you who you are.
Good luck. Best wishes. Be safe.
Edited by Soul Flight (01/24/24 10:01 AM)
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Mus H Room Man]
#28633198 - 01/24/24 11:27 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Have you tried 5HTP to regulate your serotonin levels?
Have you talked with a therapist or psychiatrist? If not schedule an appointment asap.
If you smoke weed stop, it will exacerbate your symptoms. Regardless of what people say, try this strain or that strain is BS when it comes to what you’re dealing with.
The trip didn't break you, you were already broken. If left untreated it will only get worse with age. Please don’t take that the wrong way I’m broken too. Two years of pharmaceuticals and mindfulness exercises balanced me back out. I stopped taking the pills years ago and haven’t had any unmanageable episodes.
What you have described is textbook depression. As it was explained to me once; Depression is like an old friend that doesn’t call before coming over or knock when they stop by to visit. They just walk in the front door. Hence the up’s and down’s that seemingly come out of nowhere.
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Soul Flight]
#28633199 - 01/24/24 11:28 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago) |
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It sounds like you were in a difficult mental state before you did the shrooms. I believe, for me anyway, that I need to put in place any insights and "recommendations" from the trip. Which takes some time. It is like asking someone a question day after day and not absorbing the answer. The person gets annoyed with you. Any medicine, when taken too often can have bad effects.
So I am wondering what were the trips about before they got paranoid and super depressed? Especially that first heroic dose. If you can recall what you may have learned, you could start in that direction. The repetition drowned out the message perhaps?
Any medicine, when taken too often, can have bad effects.
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28633935 - 01/25/24 01:14 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said: A good friend Ferdinando here talks to me about wanting to find his center, Others seek a sense of wholeness that they have lost.
yes everything can fall into place the more one centers the closer one comes to it sometimes things fall into place when we meditate it is similar to what bhante said everything settles
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Re: Advice Please on Recovering from several Heroes doses of Blue Meanies [Re: Ferdinando]
#28634110 - 01/25/24 07:45 AM (3 days, 50 minutes ago) |
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Ditto to lots of the good recommendations above.
I will add: it may be helpful to examine any feelings of regret and self-blame, which tend to get us stuck because we are unable to go back in time and change the decisions we made. And those decisions were the best we could have made at that time. And like others have pointed out, it is impossible to know if you’d be better off or worse had you not done those trips, because you would need a super computer able to compute all possible permutations of the universe.
This is also known as self-forgiveness. And accepting yourself as you are, including feelings of brokenness. Which, btw in no way precludes you from taking steps to feel better. It actually will empower you to do so because you won’t have so much pressure on yourself and fear of failure, because you already accept yourself regardless.
But yes I feel for you and can relate, I felt quite broken for years and it was a mighty struggle.
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