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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Rahz] 3
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I read most of it, I know how he feels, but the effort to make it funny keeps it sad. in fact I feel more stupid after reading it.
I wish there was something positive to add to it. there is alas no clear remedial call to action in the face of narcissism and egalitarian stupidity.
Pointing out a good direction would be smart.
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If stupidity is a form of assault, then this thread is a beatdown.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Lithop] 1
#28631912 - 01/23/24 09:22 AM (5 days, 4 hours ago) |
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The thing about Sam Vaknin is he claims to be a psychopathic narcissist, so it's highly unlikely that he's capable of producing or writing anything that isn't insensible, or as he puts it, stupid, dumb, imbecilic.
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That is a gross overuse of the word rape so as to make it superfluous, and consequently meaningless.
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I've heard a similar sounding argument about rape... that all sex is really just a form of rape or something like that. I think that is wicked and evil rhetoric. Like... (ad hominem istum) Good for you, you don't feel anything about sex other than using the person for only your own sexual pleasure... That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way! That sex is fundamentally a violent act. This is disturbing quite frankly.
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Cory Duchesne said: I find it staggering how many people are not free in this world, myself included. The special connection and friendship you are referring to would be some kind of freedom. We're living in a partly unfree world. I don't believe I have any special connection that would lead to safe, enjoyable sex. I might have had it when I was younger, but I lost contact with those ladies. I had an alcohol problem when I was 17-20 years old, which would have been the time when I was most sexually active. I had another chance at a sexual relationship when I was 33, but I had a psychosis while with her. I've been diagnosed with bioplar disorder, schizophrenia, paranoid personality disorder.... so there's really nothing I can say that makes sense. Congrats to the people who have freedom in their relationships and can have sex without terror or tears. I find myself isolated and not really able to work very effectively. Here in Canada, they are offering maid for people with mental illness, and I really don't see the point of my existence. Would like to have a peaceful death, considering I can't seem to find much peace in life. I think it boils down to cognitive impairment. We really are living in a world with people who do have some measure of impairment when it comes to empathy, and their grandiosity gets in the way of them appreciating the moment for what it is.
I think this captures a huge issue in modern society. People are, in general, very out of touch with themselves. Because we learn from each other, we are constantly getting reinforcement to be out of touch with ourselves.
A couple years ago I had a girlfriend that got frustrated when I wanted to take things slow and really get to know each other physically and psychologically. Its like she just wanted to fuck without being aware of each other.
I think thats fine to do that sometimes, but I also wanted to really know each other with sensitivity. The relationship didn't work out.
People can only open up to you as much as they've opened up to themselves, and most people don't seem to trust themselves enough to get to know themselves and see all the layers of their mind. Like shame, or anger, or fear, or judgement, certain things are chronically and habitually avoided by almost everyone it seems.
And yet to open up its so helpful to do it with another. I think this is why therapy is becomming more popular, yet doing this an hour a week isn't really a lot of time, and then we continue to have the reinforcement from others in social situations.
For years I simply avoided people who didn't seem to have much athenticity, and was lonely, but I think I needed to do that to see through myself and live more authenticlly.
It took years to find the confidence to express myself in a way that is counter to how other people seem to, to cut through the bs and show I actually care, and see, feel, that I love etc
and then it takes even more time to learn to do this in skillful ways that don't threaten others or step on their toes
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
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People can only open up to you as much as they've opened up to themselves, and most people don't seem to trust themselves enough to get to know themselves and see all the layers of their mind. Like shame, or anger, or fear, or judgement, certain things are chronically and habitually avoided by almost everyone it seems.
People need actually someone who can break past their 'defenses,' which are really structures of association, which act with a natural defense. Notice when people are in love... They fall in love. Something pierces through to them. The unfortunate thing is the sort of defenses people can acquire... And not be able to see around them or change them. You can see this in people who constantly repeat horrible relationships with different people. It is really annoying to watch. There is a playfulness in love, but if someone isn't playful, they are going to be hard to love, even if you can see their inner playfulness, for instance. That isn't enough, because only someone else may be able to provide elements that allow all of that to come out and restrengthen. Once this happens, a person may actually think back to people who had feelings for them but they previously didn't likewise have feelings for... and may have feelings about it.
I think this is part of why so many spiritual teachers have had sexual misconduct. When you learn to get comfortable letting down your defenses, which is a large part of spiritual practice, you then start to be able to help do this with others, and they can fall in love with you but its more like they are falling in love with their reflection as you as a mirror.
This is also why therapists need strong boundaries.
Taking advantage of someone in this situation is really harmful because they've let their defenses down.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Rahz] 1
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Bad drama seems better than no drama to some and in some curious manner of logic considering people trust what they know, bad drama can be more trusted than good drama.
at a certain point I realized i was creating suffering in my life in lots of ways because my mind was conditioned in an environment of suffering, and there was familiarity in that. I would return to similar circumstances because I felt I knew how to navigate and protect myself in them, even though they were miserable.
It took a scary leap of faith to try new things, still does
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stupidity is a form of assault
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"Now, the way I see it, stupidity is a form of assault. What is assault? What is rape? Rape is the invasion of your body without consent, any part of your body. Could be your genitalia, but could also be your brain.
Secondhand smoke is respiratory rape, because someone forces smoke into your body. Ambient noise pollution is auditory rape. The great unwashed is olfactory rape. Unwanted touch, invasion of private space are tactile rape. Not fully consensual sex is rape, pure and simple.
All forms of abuse constitute emotional rape. And in my view, stupidity is a rape. It is an intellectual rape. Someone forces his idiocy, his criticism, his moronic views into my brain without my consent and permission. He is raping me intellectually.
Rape should be criminalized in all its forms. Rape should be penalized in all its forms. The perpetrators should be relegated to penal colonies, virtual or otherwise."
Beware the Stupid Takeover! (Sam Vaknin Rant)
https://vaknin-talks.com/transcripts/Beware_the_Stupid_Takeover_Sam_Vaknin_Rant_Read_PINNED_COMMENT
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"Youngsters today, according to this study, are focused on money, image, and fame, and they disparage values such as community, voluntarism, the environment, and knowledge acquisition. Ostentatious social activism is a form of virtue signaling. These youngers are socially active, demand justice in mass protests, on camera, they're posing, they're faking, they're out to garner likes and attention." Beware the Stupid Takeover! (Sam Vaknin Rant)
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html
the IQ test of yesteryear may not be as relevant now, although, I think that some of it is still core.
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You can wear sunglasses to look at the world ugly. You can look at the world free of those glasses and have optimistic view towards it all.
We are all just riding along on this planet going through the emotional changes.
Happy Belly. Happy Mind.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: WhoManBeing]
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Lol, that was a terrible read! samvaknin, one word, seems to think he's really on to something insightful while- ironically- making observations that appear equal in quality to the percieved output of the imbeciles he derides for about 3.5K words. My cringe muscles are now RIPPED off that workout. We get it. Dumb dummies are so dumb, women love meatheads. Why do smart guys get shit on? Because dumb fuckin dummies rule the world. And they're duuuuuuuuuuuuuumb, not like samvankin. Studies SHOW.


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But the stupid were wary. They were careful. They were cautious. They were afraid to express these opinions, lest they be shamed, ridiculed, and shunned by their betters. The stupid kept to themselves. They knew that if they were to venture out and offer their inane opinions or judgments or ideas, they would be put down metaphorically and sometimes physically.
So, they were afraid. They kept their counsel to themselves.
But this is no longer the case.

inb4 The fact I read the article; and am commenting about it despite knowing what it was gonna contain, perhaps proves some of his 'points'...
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redgreenvines said: in fact I feel more stupid after reading it.
Me feeling more stupidly after too, MUCH.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Lithop]
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Apparently it is a real thing https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=decline+in+IQ
As a young adult I had to work hard to realize and appreciate that many of us are differently intelligent. I was very elitist. I grieved that what I was noticing was invisible to nearly everyone. Then I started to catch on that people each had something different going on.
I really learned to appreciate others - but the backlash in the rise of fascism, terrorism, school shootings, anti-vaxism, etc. makes me want to find a nice hole and crawl inside.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: WhoManBeing]
#28631940 - 01/23/24 09:42 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago) |
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My 13-Year-Old Child Drinks Vodka Every Friday | Health Documentary | Absolute Documentaries
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Cory Duchesne said: The thing about Sam Vaknin is he claims to be a psychopathic narcissist, so it's highly unlikely that he's capable of producing or writing anything that isn't insensible, or as he puts it, stupid, dumb, imbecilic.
Yeah that checks out. Don't get me wrong, I experience stuff that hints to an eerily Idiocracyesque future too. My sense was just that to take the stance he did- as seriously as he did, does point to a concerning lack of intelligence equal to the concerns he posits. Insensible, absolutely. It just read like a teen edgelord post to me man, which as pointed out, offers no clue toward resolution.

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redgreenvines said: Apparently it is a real thing https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=decline+in+IQ
As a young adult I had to work hard to realize and appreciate that many of us are differently intelligent. I was very elitist. I grieved that what I was noticing was invisible to nearly everyone. Then I started to catch on that people each had something different going on.
I really learned to appreciate others - but the backlash in the rise of fascism, terrorism, school shootings, anti-vaxism, etc. makes me want to find a nice hole and crawl inside.
Yeah definitely important to appreciate how vast the scope of what each individuals has to contribute, 'differently intelligent' is the perfect way to put it. I'd wager sometimes, people DID notice the things you thought they didn't, but just held the outcome or whatever in a lot lower regard so just bypassed it. I understand that IQ could be dropping but in the grand scheme of things, I think there is a lot more hope for intelligence (as defined as "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills")to become a broader term, equally useful as high intelligence for world progression, as his rant and rants of their nature imply. Like in action RPG like Fallout: you allocate attribute points to your S.P.E.C.I.A.L (being strength, perception, endurance, charisma, intelligence, agility and luck.) there are many ways to achieve a balanced and effective build outside of 'min-maxing' where reduced intelligence doesn't mean reduced goodness, efficacy etc. Yes too, to the last part of your comment but IRL I very rarely come across much of that outrage fodder. I think there's something to be said for the fact that in the past, the amount opinions one may be subject to alone was way lesser than it is online.
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Blue_Lux said: That is a gross overuse of the word rape so as to make it superfluous, and consequently meaningless.
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Re: stupidity is a form of assault [Re: Blue_Lux]
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By his definition of rape, he has been raped many times. He is a self described demented psychopathic narcissist himself, so, he defines himself and things in a way that negates his contributions. I see someone desperately flapping his mouth for book sales.
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