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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28631065 - 01/22/24 01:18 PM (6 days, 25 minutes ago)

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Its not easy to try to get your needs met without causing conflict escalation in some situations.

I don't think causing a disturbance is an ideal part of a strategy to get one's needs met. But if other attempts fail, what should someone do?




I got no answers. I don't think karma simply disappears even under the best of resolutions. But I started this thread because it seemed people very often are more than willing to disregard individual liberty when there's a cause they find agreeable.

It speaks to the timelessness of the human condition just as much as whatever current protest is happening.





I think this happens because a person or group isn't getting their needs met and can't find a way to get their needs met. They see other people or groups getting their needs met. The other people or groups ignore them, don't believe, or don't see their unmet needs. Therefore the people or groups with unmet needs see escalation as the only means to getting their needs met. You basically force the other party to be in the same boat, to see that our needs are interdependent.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28631085 - 01/22/24 01:53 PM (5 days, 23 hours ago)

I would rephrase to, people are having their rights infringed, therefore we will infringe on the rights of random people in hopes the authority will quit supporting the original infringement.

With that level of desperation the choices are, accept that a group of people's rights are being infringed OR infringe on even more people's rights in hopes that fewer people's rights get infringed.

I think even when affirmative action is taken, the nature of the problem remains. Everyone divided and alone because a critical percentage of humanity is willing to infringe on basic rights.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28631167 - 01/22/24 03:05 PM (5 days, 22 hours ago)

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I would rephrase to, people are having their rights infringed, therefore we will infringe on the rights of random people in hopes the authority will quit supporting the original infringement.

With that level of desperation the choices are, accept that a group of people's rights are being infringed OR infringe on even more people's rights in hopes that fewer people's rights get infringed.

I think even when affirmative action is taken, the nature of the problem remains. Everyone divided and alone because a critical percentage of humanity is willing to infringe on basic rights.




I like the perspective of needs better than rights in this situation, because it points the seriousness and validatory underlying the motivation.

Like I have a need for food and water and shelter and exchange with others. Yes in the social contract I may have a theoretical right to these things, but the need trumps that right and isn't something i have a choice about.

I don't think people infringe on other's rights because they feel entitled to, I think its because they are either ignorant of the cosequences of their action or lack of action, or because they feel they have no other choice and its the lesser of evils


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28631180 - 01/22/24 03:17 PM (5 days, 22 hours ago)

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I don't think people infringe on other's rights because they feel entitled to...




Then apparently you have not been paying close enough attention.


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Re: Street protest [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #28631215 - 01/22/24 03:48 PM (5 days, 21 hours ago)

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I don't think people infringe on other's rights because they feel entitled to...




Then apparently you have not been paying close enough attention.






its in looking more closely at people that the idea of them just feeling entitled falls apart

sure maybe some people like sociopaths might put a sense of entitlement above others' needs or rights


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28631266 - 01/22/24 04:54 PM (5 days, 20 hours ago)

maybe they just haven't questioned their apparent entitled behavior.

(means the same thing)


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