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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28614216 - 01/08/24 03:20 PM (19 days, 22 hours ago)

You could have just said yes. :wink:


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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28614335 - 01/08/24 05:45 PM (19 days, 19 hours ago)

what would I have been agreeing to with that yes, and I asked for some clarification or rephrasing, but I am not blocking the street about it, that is not my way.


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28614393 - 01/08/24 06:43 PM (19 days, 18 hours ago)

You understood well enough to answer. I'm glad you are not blocking the street.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28614695 - 01/09/24 12:03 AM (19 days, 13 hours ago)

I think its a good point about identification bias. Identify with nation, party, culture, family.... we see what we identify with in a better light and what we don't in a worse light.

and then how this impacts our decisions. the examples in this thread are of situations where people feel compelled to make the less of two evil type decisions. Like is it a better evil to lose a liberty or to block traffic (not that these are necessarily accurate, complete, sane or logical evaluations, which is a different topic).

In the lesser of two evil situations, we tend to be biased towards the evil that benefits ourselves or group we identify with. We tend to have less empathy and compassion for those we identify less with.

When we think our liberty or groups liberty is taken away, or important needs are blocked from being fulfilled, it can create a sense of righteous justice that further erodes empathy and compassion and blocks reasoned understanding.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28614769 - 01/09/24 03:58 AM (19 days, 9 hours ago)

Personally I would avoid any taking of hostages in street occupancy or other modes of protest.
but also I would avoid making human shields out of children and non-political participants in demonstrations.

and in escalations to war, human shielding and the death of children must be avoided equally.


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28615023 - 01/09/24 09:28 AM (19 days, 4 hours ago)

it happens in much more subtle ways as well


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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28615239 - 01/09/24 12:53 PM (19 days, 46 minutes ago)

Native American Taboos. (Diné) Some things... You just don't do.





^ Somewhat related to street protest. I don't know what to say to anyone who owns a car or drives an armored vehicle other than, "I have less than you, so you should leave me alone."


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Re: Street protest [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28628113 - 01/20/24 05:24 AM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

When people block roads with their bodies they are taking a chance that the person who they are stopping isn't having a bad day and the self righteous protestor isn't the final straw. Also a lot of older people watched on tv what happened to Reginald Denny when he stopped his truck for the Rodney King protestors. I watched it and will not stop if the protestors seem violent.


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Re: Street protest [Re: MacD]
    #28629651 - 01/21/24 09:41 AM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

Protestors block roads because they are unable to change the behavior of their true target, which most of the times is the government.  They hope by disrupting the lives of regular people, this will prompt the government to address their grievance.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28629805 - 01/21/24 12:48 PM (7 days, 52 minutes ago)

blocking people as a negotiating tactic is akin to hostage taking as a negotiation tactic.


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28629935 - 01/21/24 02:34 PM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

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blocking people as a negotiating tactic is akin to hostage taking as a negotiation tactic.




Driving around a blocked street seems a lot different to me than forcibly held against my will


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28630291 - 01/21/24 06:28 PM (6 days, 19 hours ago)

when you drive around, you have not been taken hostage,
but all the people who need to access addresses that are blocked are being taken hostage.


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28630419 - 01/21/24 08:30 PM (6 days, 17 hours ago)

If I were walking down the sidewalk and someone blocked my way despite attempts to walk around them and they said "I can't let you pass because I'm using you as a photo op" it would be a problem. And there's no promise that traffic is light and turning around is an easy option. As alluded to in the OP, some people are going to feel threatened and drive through. Their travel is already being infringed. There's no guarantee the nice people blocking traffic are going to respect their other liberties.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Rahz]
    #28630857 - 01/22/24 10:03 AM (6 days, 3 hours ago)

Its not easy to try to get your needs met without causing conflict escalation in some situations.

I don't think causing a disturbance is an ideal part of a strategy to get one's needs met. But if other attempts fail, what should someone do?


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28630864 - 01/22/24 10:12 AM (6 days, 3 hours ago)

plan B


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28630893 - 01/22/24 10:37 AM (6 days, 3 hours ago)

I once felt held hostage because they were filming a movie and closed the street.

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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28630924 - 01/22/24 11:09 AM (6 days, 2 hours ago)

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plan B




so say my house is on fire

my need for shelter is threatened. if i call the fire depeartment, they will likely block the street while putting the fire out. what should my plan b be?


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Re: Street protest [Re: Kickle]
    #28630928 - 01/22/24 11:12 AM (6 days, 2 hours ago)

It's always nasty when we are bullied about
in the shared domain by private use of public space.


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Re: Street protest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28631016 - 01/22/24 12:29 PM (6 days, 1 hour ago)

I think there are socially accepted reasons to stop traffic. Protests may not be a socially acceptable reason if members of the society do not accept the cause as reasonable.

Which is a tad absurd given the nature of most socially accepted reasons IMO, e.g. entertainment.


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Re: Street protest [Re: Freedom]
    #28631056 - 01/22/24 01:05 PM (6 days, 35 minutes ago)

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Its not easy to try to get your needs met without causing conflict escalation in some situations.

I don't think causing a disturbance is an ideal part of a strategy to get one's needs met. But if other attempts fail, what should someone do?




I got no answers. I don't think karma simply disappears even under the best of resolutions. But I started this thread because it seemed people very often are more than willing to disregard individual liberty when there's a cause they find agreeable.

It speaks to the timelessness of the human condition just as much as whatever current protest is happening.


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