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Should I harvest these Lions mane.
    #28629403 - 01/21/24 03:57 AM (7 days, 13 hours ago)

First time growing lions mane and just wanted a second opinion. Ready for harvest or should I give it a little bit? I mostly want them for medicinal properties for myself and family/friends (not sure if I should just dry and powderize or make an extract) but I would like to try some cooked too. I'd also like to get a spore print from at least one of the blocks. I have 5. 3 fruiting out of the top and 2 I cut slits in the side so those 2 are just starting to fruit. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: Reishiman]
    #28629429 - 01/21/24 05:24 AM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

To use for medicinals, these would be fine to harvest now.  But they are still too young for sporeprints since LM uses elongated teeth for spore and these are still little baby teeth :smile:

I would harvest some for medicinals now, harvest some for cooking with in a day or so, and harvest some for spores in a few days when the teeth get past 1/4 inch in length.

they're looking good!


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: taku]
    #28629471 - 01/21/24 06:47 AM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

Ok thank you for the reply. Will a typical human body absorb most of the good stuff, dried and made into a powder? Or is it worth it to make a double extraction? If you or anyone else has any knowledge of this it would be appreciated. I'm having trouble finding info on the pros and cons of each. At the moment I'm leaning towards drying and powderize because it seems it would be a lot easier. Thanks again


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: Reishiman]
    #28629473 - 01/21/24 06:51 AM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

Beautiful looking fruits. What substrate did u use for them? :smile:


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: Loopshroom]
    #28629483 - 01/21/24 07:16 AM (7 days, 9 hours ago)

Thanks. I used 50/50 soy pellet hulls and hardwood sawdust(some Canadian company canna wick for heating I think) I got the sawdust at either lowes or Walmart it came compressed into these big bricks. Wasn't sure it would work but it did. And the soy hulls were the typical ones used for masters mix. Inoculated the bags with a micro pint each(pint sized jar little over half full of spawn each)
I inoculated on December 28th in a slightly modified still air box. 5 bags of lions mane and 4 bags of reishi. So far all of these are growing well and seem to be contam free. Wanted to point that out because a lot of people say its necessary to have a flow hood for inoculating sawdust blocks. Oh and they were all 5 lbs blocks


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: Reishiman]
    #28629518 - 01/21/24 08:05 AM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

Dry whatever you don't feel like eating right away. Then you can make a double extract or use the powder in cooking. No idea if either one is more or less beneficial to your body.

They look great, where did you get the genetics from?


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: deadmandave]
    #28629571 - 01/21/24 08:47 AM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

I actually just ordered a cheap like $10 or $15 dollar culture syringe on Amazon I believe at the end of last summer. Didn't think the genetics would be good but figured I'd at least get my feet wet with the sawdust blocks(which I had already bought sawdust and soy hull for 6+months earlier and were just collecting dust). So I expanded the culture a few months later in November and put to grain mid Dec which I still have most of that expanded culture in my fridge. Seeing how well it did I guess I should start prepping some more grain now and get another grow going with the same culture. Hopefully it will still perform as well. Been in the fridge for little over a month I believe.

Edit: Just found the syringe it says "The Mushroom Lab" Lions Mane Hericium Erinaceus


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: Reishiman]
    #28629764 - 01/21/24 11:36 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

the medicinals in LM are something being actively researched. 

right now, indicators point to the brain busting characteristics of LM to be predominantly in the mycelium rather than the mushroom. there's a whole different process involving growing myc out on rice then dehydrating and blending for that.

i still dehydrate and blend my mushrooms into powder to put into my coffee and smoothies and such.  i only do extraction with reishi or mushrooms i can't easily process another way.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. [Re: taku]
    #28629849 - 01/21/24 01:32 PM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

Thanks for the knowledge.
  Will definitely look into a double extraction for the reishi.
  A had read that about the mycelium carrying more medicinals for the compounds tested.
  My thoughts on this:
-they only tested for certain compounds and they're still researching.
-there could be other compounds that play a role that they don't know about.
-There is so much they don't know about the brain. Therefore I would think lions mane would be a particularly difficult mushroom to study, since it is believed most of it's medicinal properties benefit the brain.
- If I'm growing it at home I have easier/cheaper access to Lions mane than most and can afford to just take enough of the fruit body to make up the difference.
-Lastly, not all research can be trusted. Especially if it's funded by a for profit corporation with it's own vested interest.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28629854 - 01/21/24 01:37 PM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

Thanks for the help everyone. I harvest 2 of the blocks. Put some aside for dinner tonight and the rest is in the dehydrater.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28630493 - 01/21/24 09:53 PM (6 days, 19 hours ago)

looks great.

did you keep any growing for spore prints?


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: taku]
    #28630633 - 01/22/24 03:38 AM (6 days, 13 hours ago)

Yes. I've got 3 more blocks. 1 is top fruiting like the ones from yesterday. That one is just about ready. Plus 2 more blocks that I cut slits in the side. Those are just starting to fruit. Still trying to figure out a plan to get a spore print from these guys but probably got a little while before they're ready to print anyway.
  Btw I sauteed 8 oz of fresh last night in olive oil and soy sauce and garlic powder. Not sure how good a cook I am but it wasn't that great. It was ok. As it cooled it tasted more and more like chicken and wasn't too bad. I may have used a little too much salt. So next time I'll go a little more easy on the salt and  garlic powder and soy. Maybe I'll try something different than soy sauce next time too.
  On a side note. I already feel a little bit smarter. Lol jk. But seriously it could be placebo effect but I feel like I'm a little more focused and interested in things.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28631474 - 01/22/24 08:33 PM (5 days, 20 hours ago)

I find lions mane need a dry sautee to rid them of some moisture. once theyre cooked down a bit you can hit em with some soy sauce or other seasoning. go easy on the seasonings as they become concentrated while the mushrooms cook.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: deadmandave]
    #28631733 - 01/23/24 06:02 AM (5 days, 10 hours ago)

Thanks Dave. (Worlds best name btw 😁) But yeah I actually did the dry sauteeing but probably could have sliced them a bit thinner.
    And definitely going to go extremely lite on the seasoning next time.
    Btw I'm experimenting with the Stamets triple stack. Minus the niacin and actuall doses of psilocybin mushrooms. Last night I tried 1.5 grams of cubes and 1.5 g dried lion mane.
    It definitely felt a little different. Hard to explain. Next time I'll try a higher dose of cubes. (Or hopefully I'll have some success with the Mexicana a, and pan cambos I'm attempting to grow right now.)


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28632781 - 01/24/24 02:55 AM (4 days, 14 hours ago)

I think for next time a dual extraction is worth it!
From my research you need to make your own shine first.
When you harvest your fresh mini brains they have so much water content that you need at least 160-180 proof 200 is best. Around here they only sell maybe 120 proof.  You blend it up, soak it in the shine for a month or 6 then you press out the liquid.  Then test for alcohol content to figure out how much water you need to boil the leftover solids to reach 35% alcohol when combined.  To little shine and it expires quick.  To much and you will have floaties/debris in the dual extracted tincture . 

I mix up my synthetic logs in the bag and bran sticks to the top part of the bag.  When it colonizes mycelium covers all the little bits above the block too.  I harvest that mycelium with just little bits of dust in it for the added medicinal effects.  Also I think a lot of the medicine is in the water of the mushroom that can't be fully digested and utilized by the meat suit unless it's extracted via dual tincture.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #28632824 - 01/24/24 04:47 AM (4 days, 12 hours ago)

Ok thanks for that. I think I will try making a tincture especially since I've got reishi blocks going too so should probably learn how to make them. I think I can get everclear at a place near where I live according to the website. Which I'm surprised because I thought it was illegal. Going to call them today and make sure they have it and it's actually everclear. I don't have the equipment or the money to buy the equipment to make a proper moonshine. Whatever that might be. I don't know much about it though.
  Also you mentioned testing the alcohol content for preservation. Have you done this before? If so how?
If it's difficult to test would it be possible to just let all the alcohol evaporate out and then just add a measured amount of everclear to make it %35 abv?


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28633497 - 01/24/24 04:18 PM (4 days, 39 minutes ago)

I am not an expert at all about spore print but I guess the more spore the better?

I wanted to see how long it is possible to let grow lion's mane and I let some of them grow until they had teeth about 1cm. I could see small spore structures forming at the end of some teeth, almost like snowflakes. 
The lions were clearly no longer the best quality for cooking but if it spore you want, I think that you can let them overmature a little bit.

To be confirmed with the pro about the spore quality but overmature will definitelly give you the most quantity :grin:

About cooking,
My favorite recipe with lion mane is sweet soy sauce Teriaki marinade, easy to make and the the resemblance to chicken is striking.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: GRETO]
    #28633516 - 01/24/24 04:35 PM (4 days, 22 minutes ago)

Nice. Sounds like a good idea with the marinade. I actually have some of that in my fridge. Will definitely try that.
  Thanks for the description about the spores too. I've got one that the strings are a little over a quarter inch I'd say but will take pictures tomorrow. I'm thinking of trying to just take an aluminum cup and put it up as close as I can underneath it while it's in the fruiting chamber. Will probably try a few different ways actually since I've never done it.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28634063 - 01/25/24 06:39 AM (3 days, 10 hours ago)

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Nice. Sounds like a good idea with the marinade. I actually have some of that in my fridge. Will definitely try that.
  Thanks for the description about the spores too. I've got one that the strings are a little over a quarter inch I'd say but will take pictures tomorrow. I'm thinking of trying to just take an aluminum cup and put it up as close as I can underneath it while it's in the fruiting chamber. Will probably try a few different ways actually since I've never done it.



Here's what it looks like now. The 2nd and 3rd pictures are of the same block. The Way it's fruiting it looks like it might be the easiest one to get a print but the one fruiting out the top is the furthest along. Not by much though.


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Re: Should I harvest these Lions mane. Update [Re: Reishiman]
    #28635010 - 01/25/24 09:04 PM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

that first pic is currently ideal for spores. but can also wait for the other block to reach that stage. 

best way to get spores for LM is to put a bag around it, not quite the same as having a cap to work with.


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