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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: elpico]
#28626557 - 01/18/24 10:13 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Wow those are very cool
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
#28626567 - 01/18/24 10:31 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Thanks, 99.99. I've come across some interesting phenotypes, but I like the looks of these. Still lots of work to do, though.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: elpico]
#28626624 - 01/19/24 12:12 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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elpico said: Thanks, 99.99. I've come across some interesting phenotypes, but I like the looks of these. Still lots of work to do, though.
So you got these directly from the wild specimen that would be way cool do you have any habitat photos?
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: elpico]
#28626744 - 01/19/24 05:07 AM (9 days, 1 hour ago) |
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elpico said: I'm making some slow progress on the wild Xico line. The large cluster came directly off a stone. Cloning underway:

Cool new variety elpico! Were the Rancho Agosto easier to work with initially?
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
#28626802 - 01/19/24 07:06 AM (8 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
#28626804 - 01/19/24 07:08 AM (8 days, 23 hours ago) |
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PsychedelicGator said: Quick question who have had luck fruiting tampanensis or ATL7... I have several jars currently producing stones and I'm getting ready to harvest. I'd like to fruit them just to get enough for some spore prints. What do you recommend? S2B with CVG in a monotub? Or some small pie tins in a SGFC? Thanks for any help!
Look up 99.99 ive grown lots https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28443365
Thanks for the reply 99! Unfortunately I don't have a Martha tent setup, so I'm limited to either a monotub or SGFC. Any thought on which would work better with a CVG bulk sub?
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: PsychedelicGator]
#28626986 - 01/19/24 10:12 AM (8 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Look up 99.99 ive grown lots https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28443365
Thanks for the reply 99! Unfortunately I don't have a Martha tent setup, so I'm limited to either a monotub or SGFC. Any thought on which would work better with a CVG bulk sub?
I put them in a aluminum pan,mixed 50/50 coir the size of a lasagna tray and leave the plastic top on top until you see the mushrooms coming up then you should be able to mist a couple times a day and be fine with the lid on Keep them at 80°
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
#28627884 - 01/19/24 10:13 PM (8 days, 8 hours ago) |
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So you got these directly from the wild specimen that would be way cool do you have any habitat photos?
Not my collection, but the wild print I'm working off is from this collection: inat#136200390 @Rumblestrip - I'd say progress is quicker this time around, mainly because I have a few more mex grows under my belt
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: elpico]
#28627994 - 01/20/24 12:19 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago) |
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So you got these directly from the wild specimen that would be way cool do you have any habitat photos?
Not my collection, but the wild print I'm working off is from this collection: inat#136200390 @Rumblestrip - I'd say progress is quicker this time around, mainly because I have a few more mex grows under my belt
Oh thats way cool to actually see where the specimen came from. That’s really really neat. Thanks for sharing that.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99]
#28628050 - 01/20/24 02:01 AM (8 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Which tek would your recommend for sclerotia bulk. I found that some use tubs with coir and others throw multiple jars of grain spawn into a growbag for bigger yields. Probably there are other teks im not aware of. Ty
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Loopshroom] 1
#28628087 - 01/20/24 04:05 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago) |
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For bulk sclerotia I like to do 1:4 spawn:coir and lay all my spawn on top. I then cover my spawn with casing if I plan to fruit, or 70% shade cloth if I don't. The coir gives the spawn lots of extra water for making stones. Laying the spawn on top ensures that all your stones are between the nutritious and non-nutrious layers (coir - spawn - casing/shade cloth, the stones will be the dashes)*. Shade cloth makes stones require less cleaning than casing, but I haven't gotten them to fruit through it (though I have made bulk stones using shade cloth and gone on to case and fruit later).
Half-gallon jars produce plenty of stones too. And you can still spawn them to coir after harvesting the larger stones and the smaller ones will plump up in a couple of weeks.
All my bags I ended up spawning to bulk. I didn't think the yield they were putting up was great.
* If you mix your spawn and sub you'll end up with stones all over. Often the sides, bottoms, and in the casing as they prefer the interface of nutrient/non-nutrient for making stones. But, as coir is not nutritious, they'll potentially put stones all over which doesn't make for necessarily bigger stones/yield and definitely makes harvesting/cleaning more time consuming.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog]
#28628122 - 01/20/24 05:34 AM (8 days, 1 hour ago) |
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tree frog said: For bulk sclerotia I like to do 1:4 spawn:coir and lay all my spawn on top. I then cover my spawn with casing if I plan to fruit, or 70% shade cloth if I don't. The coir gives the spawn lots of extra water for making stones. Laying the spawn on top ensures that all your stones are between the nutritious and non-nutrious layers (coir - spawn - casing/shade cloth, the stones will be the dashes)*. Shade cloth makes stones require less cleaning than casing, but I haven't gotten them to fruit through it (though I have made bulk stones using shade cloth and gone on to case and fruit later).
Half-gallon jars produce plenty of stones too. And you can still spawn them to coir after harvesting the larger stones and the smaller ones will plump up in a couple of weeks.
All my bags I ended up spawning to bulk. I didn't think the yield they were putting up was great.
* If you mix your spawn and sub you'll end up with stones all over. Often the sides, bottoms, and in the casing as they prefer the interface of nutrient/non-nutrient for making stones. But, as coir is not nutritious, they'll potentially put stones all over which doesn't make for necessarily bigger stones/yield and definitely makes harvesting/cleaning more time consuming.
Shade cloth? As in window shade? Sorry if this is a stupid question but don't people usually use bubble wrap? Also you mention the half gallon jars. I found a couple of them in someone's trash that looked brand new.(Yes I pick trash for this hobby lol) possibly a contam risk but it's hard to pass up free. I just wash it really good and pressure cooked it. But anyway I was considering using them for stones. I wonder if they'd produce more Stones in the jar if I made them like 50/50 grain to coco coir? Just a thought I had after reading your post. Maybe I'll try it. Btw for people on a budget, you'd be surprised the amount of stuff people throw away that can be used for this hobby. I live in an area where it's kind of expensive to live with triple deckers everywhere with apartments. People don't have room to store things they're not using and storage units are ridiculous imo. So people just throw shit out to avoid clutter in their homes. Also big construction sites are good just ask if you and raid their dumpster if it's closer to the street and looks safe to do. Usually they'd be happy to free up dumpster space. Was on a job last year where I'd say every week we would throw out enough wood to build a small house. It's not worth it for them to pick threw cuts so they just grab new pieces of wood through the cuts away. Sometimes they just throw away shit because it's taking up floor space. And don't buy hardware either. They throw away hardware like peanut shells. As a laborer I was able to walk around all day looking very busy while filling my pockets with screws and things and making car runs with lumber. Was able to build my greenhouse for free basically besides the fan and ultrasonic. I was inspired by the song One piece at a time by Johnny Cash if you know it Sorry for the tangent, just wanted to share that, especially in a world where recycling is a virtue.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog]
#28628325 - 01/20/24 09:22 AM (7 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Alright thanks mate! So if i understand this right i put the colonized grains on top without mixing them in. Is their not a higher risk of contam if the grains touch the "open" air? How much space to give the grains to the side of the tub? Wont the stones grow out on the top, do you know why they form between the grains and the coir? When do you spawn your jars? Ones fully colonized or if some stones are their?
Also I got some Tamp Lc which looked pretty thin compared to cube lc´s. I inoculated some quart jars with it each 2,5 ml but so far no growth :/ Do they need longer then cubes to grow on or did i do something wrong? Temps are sadly pretty low (62-64F). Ty
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Reishiman]
#28628329 - 01/20/24 09:25 AM (7 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Damn thats cool. Around my area i often find useful stuff like plant pots and even a slackline.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Loopshroom]
#28628384 - 01/20/24 10:26 AM (7 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Loopshroom said: Damn thats cool. Around my area i often find useful stuff like plant pots and even a slackline.
Yeah the tough part is deciding if I think I would ever use whatever it is I find. Then again I put a lot of stuff back out on the street and often people will come take it before trash day. Especially if it's clean and looks good still. Imo our society throws out way too much stuff I would say in an effort to save some time for the most part. It's easier to throw stuff away and let someone else deal with it. But I think we should try to learn from mushrooms and just take our time with shit. Whats the rush? Especially when taking our time with things will probably give us more time in the long run before rendering the planet uninhabitable. Not to mention all the species of plants and animals we are allowing to become extinct and lost forever.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 99.99] 4
#28628464 - 01/20/24 11:39 AM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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99.99 said: I hate stones, if I were you, I would harvest all the stones, cut them up into dime size pieces, and mix with coir
You could do the same with all the rest of it, but it would probably contaminate
Hat tip to you good sir! I had doubts, as she didnt even look colonized much other than the stones themselves. But I have clusters popping up everywhere (mostly side pins for now but still fruits!) She's been in my tent since jan 9.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Reishiman]
#28628502 - 01/20/24 12:15 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Agreed, one man´s trash is another man´s treasure.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Loopshroom]
#28629431 - 01/21/24 05:32 AM (7 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Loopshroom said: Alright thanks mate! So if i understand this right i put the colonized grains on top without mixing them in. Is their not a higher risk of contam if the grains touch the "open" air?
Not contam but dry out, hence the casing or shade cloth. Bubble wrap is fine too. I used shade cloth because I had some around and I wanted to try to get it to fruit through the cloth.
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How much space to give the grains to the side of the tub? Wont the stones grow out on the top, do you know why they form between the grains and the coir?
I basically frost the whole top with as much grains as I can using a 1:4 coir ratio. It doesn't cover the whole top generally and there's coir visible. It doesn't need to go to the edge of the tub. It doesn't matter.
The sclerotia will form between nutrients (grains) and non-nutrients (coir, glass, casing, shade cloth, bubble wrap, the side of your tote). Making a cake, with coir on bottom, grain in the middle, bubble wrap/casing/shadecloth on top, means all your stones will be with the grain instead of mixed in (give or take) because you're making a non-nutritious layer out of the coir. The mycelium will still colonize and pull water from it but you'll get stones in the grain layer mostly either pushing up into the casing or down into the coir.
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When do you spawn your jars? Ones fully colonized or if some stones are their?
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Also I got some Tamp Lc which looked pretty thin compared to cube lc´s. I inoculated some quart jars with it each 2,5 ml but so far no growth :/ Do they need longer then cubes to grow on or did i do something wrong? Temps are sadly pretty low (62-64F). Ty
They like it mid-70s to low 80s so 62 I'm not surprised they're stalling.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog]
#28629467 - 01/21/24 06:43 AM (6 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Ok thank you for the great information its a big help  Do they start growing if i put them to a warmer place now? And if i want to fruit them after harvesting the sclerotia i can just throw a casing on top.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Loopshroom] 3
#28629474 - 01/21/24 06:55 AM (6 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Marked for future reading! Gunna start some ATL7 in the next week!
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