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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread.b [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28628144 - 01/20/24 06:01 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

Enough with the vaccine talk.  Take it to an appropriate thread.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28628370 - 01/20/24 10:09 AM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

There is not the slightest development regarding peace talks, it looks like this war will continue for at least a few more years.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: bradleytr]
    #28628381 - 01/20/24 10:19 AM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

At least


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28628406 - 01/20/24 10:46 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

Zelensky would rather keep snatching thousands of poor folks off the streets and out of their homes rather than even attempt peace. The man is in too deep and much like the Israelis has lost his fucking mind. And the people, unfortunately, pay the price.

This is the reality in Ukraine


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I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends.

Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.

The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.
- Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
- The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
- Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare.

They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.

I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.

Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.





How does one even comprehend such insanity?

Ukraine is devouring itself. And madman Zelensky would rather sacrifice all his peoples than have to face the music himself.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #28628410 - 01/20/24 10:51 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

Be honest, chop.  Are you Maria?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28628473 - 01/20/24 11:51 AM (8 days, 5 hours ago)

That is mortifying.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28628479 - 01/20/24 11:53 AM (8 days, 5 hours ago)

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There are reasons to kick an old man down a flight of stairs....




Schopenhauer kicked an old lady down a flight of stairs for being too loud.




Martin Luther said he would slap his female servant when she wasn't sufficiently subservient.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread.b [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28628520 - 01/20/24 12:28 PM (8 days, 5 hours ago)

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Enough with the vaccine talk.  Take it to an appropriate thread.
That goes for all yous guys




How many shots did you take comrade bollocks?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread.b [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 4
    #28628540 - 01/20/24 12:45 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

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I don't see any sign of Russia being capable of taking any more land than they have - nor any sign that they were willing to give up land they had the least claim to (i.e. kherson/zaporizhzhia or crimea for that matter) in a peace deal




That's certainly debatable. I tend to agree with The_Ecstatic:

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I’d be surprised if this conflict makes it to summer. No way Ukraine maintains this relative stalemate with once the battlefield thaws, especially since the U.S. has a newer shinier vassal state through which to wage war against its enemies.




In which case, Russia certainly could take more land, and probably will. Also, I don't see how Russia has the least claim to Crimea. From what I understand, Crimea is mostly ethnic Russian people in the first place, and they prefer Russia to Ukraine. Russia has already claimed Crimea... At this point, if Russia has any claim to any part of Ukraine, Crimea is certainly it.

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Ukraine isn't the only country fatigued by the war, and modern history is filled with examples of wars that ultimately ended in the defenders favor; not because they out fought the imperial power, but because they managed to fight until political fatigue set in and forced withdrawal.

Furthermore I think the notion that the US is somehow responsible for them having the will to fight, or somehow forcing them to be complete BS - Ukranians aren't weak spined, even if completely overran they would very likely be fighting a concerted guerilla war.




I never said the US is forcing them to fight. Their government certainly is, though. A very significant portion of Ukraine's army is made up of conscripts who are snatched off bus stops and street corners. These people would much prefer a peace deal. They are being sent to almost certain death, and it's not necessary.

Anyways, I'm not trying to win you over. I think people's minds are pretty well made up on this issue, and I will have to agree to disagree with many people here, and that's just how it is.

I just wanted to clarify... I do not support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I would prefer that my country focused on problems at home, rather than paying the pensions of Ukrainians, and funding an unnecessary proxy war with Russia.

Look, when the US military says it's doing something altruistic.. well, that's just never the case. Anyone who thinks it is at this point, is a sucker. The facade of altruism is the simplest means of manufacturing consent.




The Taters were the original ethnic majority of Crimea. The Russians ethnically cleansed them starting a couple hundred years ago. By 1940, Taters were less than 20% of the Crimean population, followed by 130,000 dying during the Nazi occupation, and thousands deported to Germany as work slaves. In 1944 the Soviets deported 191,000 Crimean Taters and 30,000 other ethnics in 3 days.

Crimea has a Russian majority now. Go figure.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread.b [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28628542 - 01/20/24 12:48 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #28628558 - 01/20/24 01:03 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

From 500,000 'losses' a week ago, to a million in this last post. Spaghetti on the wall is a tactic ey.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28628570 - 01/20/24 01:19 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

I'll weigh in on this

It appears as though Russia is in control of most of its original territory

Tons of weapons, ammunitions, and money were sent to Ukraine

If you see videos of Ukrainian soldiers. They are very old. That means that most young Ukrainians are dead. There are 10x more Russains than Ukrainians.

There should be a peace treaty. I don't like any wars. They usually turn out to be ploys by the megarich to make more money.

This is just sending people to be slaughtered at this point, by Ukraine

Average age for a Ukrainian troop is 43. Just to let you know how it's going

The propaganda that Ukraine is winning, is the exact opposite of what's happening. They're getting rolled.

I think Zelensky should take up arms himself. How did he get so much money?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: skOsH]
    #28628604 - 01/20/24 02:05 PM (8 days, 3 hours ago)

It's very likely there is no 'winning' this war for Ukraine, kind of like how there was no winning for the Aboriginal Australians when the settlers decided to take their land. Here in Australia we recognise that the Aboriginal peoples never seceded their territory and that it was stolen. Something similar could be said of the land that Russia now occupies in the east, as well as with Crimea.

That said, the Ukranians are fighting so as to not secede their territory which they haven't. The cost of doing so has been massive and will continue to grow. Does this say anything of the cost to Russia for engaging in this invasion of sovereign land? There is no one without the other and both sides have and will continue to experience massive loss.

Does the land gained pay for the losses of Russian life? Is that land now worth gaining? When the border is a minefield.. and much must be rebuilt from the rubble of war.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #28628757 - 01/20/24 03:52 PM (8 days, 1 hour ago)

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From 500,000 'losses' a week ago, to a million in this last post. Spaghetti on the wall is a tactic ey.




It's a random on twitter. I don't expect them to get everything right. What's important is that they went to Ukraine and saw how forced conscription is affecting these people for themselves.

As usual, you ignore this and focus on an insignificant part of the post in a weak effort to discredit the whole thing. Simply because it's not what you want to hear.

If you count all the people that have permanently fled the country and won't ever be coming back, the number is far greater than 1 million.

If Ukraine were a person, it would be a person with terminal cancer. Slowly dying and just awaiting the inevitable end.




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Be honest, chop.  Are you Maria?





I wish. She looks like she has a more interesting life


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28628830 - 01/20/24 04:40 PM (8 days, 54 minutes ago)

Here you are overlooking Russian conscription as usual.

I like how you say the 1 million losses isn't right then try to justify it anyway.

A fear of conscription is rather universal and men will try to avoid it not just in Ukraine, but in Russia too.

Conscription is somewhat like kidnapping by the state, again though, it's not just in Ukraine but Russia too.

If men are being kidnapped by armed forces in the street, that'd be horrendous but it sounds out there and requires more than just a tweet to exemplify. If someone refuses conscription they may be rounded up, but I don't see that those kind of circumstances unique to Ukraine in this regard, and not something that would equally happen in Russia.

The suggesting that American soldiers will come in and replace them sounds like a made up hoax. Some people might believe it, but the suggestion is a hoax regardless.

If the only way to peace is to secede sovereignty then peace was never offered.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: skOsH] * 2
    #28628870 - 01/20/24 05:02 PM (8 days, 33 minutes ago)

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I'll weigh in on this

It appears as though Russia is in control of most of its original territory

Tons of weapons, ammunitions, and money were sent to Ukraine

If you see videos of Ukrainian soldiers. They are very old. That means that most young Ukrainians are dead. There are 10x more Russains than Ukrainians.

There should be a peace treaty. I don't like any wars. They usually turn out to be ploys by the megarich to make more money.

This is just sending people to be slaughtered at this point, by Ukraine

Average age for a Ukrainian troop is 43. Just to let you know how it's going

The propaganda that Ukraine is winning, is the exact opposite of what's happening. They're getting rolled.

I think Zelensky should take up arms himself. How did he get so much money?



If this was all true, then Russia would've captured more than like 10 sq km over the last year lol

Strategically - conquering up to the entire east dnipro bank would make for the most defensible position.

And obviously taking Kyiv would make for the most rapid end to the war... that is if they were capable lol


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #28629057 - 01/20/24 06:50 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago)

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The propaganda that Ukraine is winning, is the exact opposite of what's happening. They're getting rolled.






Ukraine is getting rolled? :laugh2:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #28629060 - 01/20/24 06:53 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago)

Yeah, bro.. the war was over in like two months


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28629082 - 01/20/24 07:08 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago)

I like the ‘original territory’ line :popcorn:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28629217 - 01/20/24 09:04 PM (7 days, 20 hours ago)

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝖎𝖘 𝖍𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖊𝖓𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖎𝖘 𝖍𝖔𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖇𝖑𝖊. 𝕴 𝖍𝖔𝖕𝖊 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖕𝖊𝖆𝖈𝖊, 𝖇𝖚𝖙 𝕵𝖎𝖒𝖎 𝕳𝖊𝖓𝖉𝖗𝖎𝖝 𝖜𝖆𝖘 𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖜𝖍𝖊𝖓 𝖍𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉  "𝖂𝖍𝖊𝖓 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝕻𝖔𝖜𝖊𝖗 𝕺𝖋 𝕷𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖔𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖘 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝕷𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝕺𝖋 𝕻𝖔𝖜𝖊𝖗,  𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖜𝖔𝖗𝖑𝖉 𝖜𝖎𝖑𝖑 𝖐𝖓𝖔𝖜 𝖕𝖊𝖆𝖈𝖊."  𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖙'𝖘 𝖆 𝖙𝖗𝖚𝖊 𝖕𝖘𝖞𝖈𝖍𝖊𝖉𝖊𝖑𝖎𝖈 𝖎𝖓𝖘𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙.


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