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Ima Trooper
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Joh.Ke] 2
#28626974 - 01/19/24 10:06 AM (9 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Not being happy in the marriage, is, to me, not frivolous. The point of a relationship to be happy, or at least happier than if you were not in one. So if someone isn't happy in the marriage, that's not an "otherwise OK" relationship. If you were on fire, but your credit score was good, your car's oil didn't need changing, and your shoes fit well, would you say that you were "otherwise OK"? No, you'd be screaming and trying to put yourself out. Because the FIRE is the important thing.
Maybe the point of being in a relationship is to be happy but I think for a marriage, the bar should be set higher, especially when there are children involved. Once your marriage produced a child, your priority should not be your personal happiness anymore. It should now be about giving the child the most stable and best possible environment to grow up in.
Your fire analogy is not accurate. I would not liken a woman feeling "unhappy" to being on fire. Of course, maybe some of them are genuinely extremely unhappy, this is possible. However, what I meant is that a lot of them simply dissolve a marriage just because they are not 100% satisfied with it, despite there not being any glaring flaw in said marriage. I know it's bad that a third party such as a society tries to determine levels of happiness in a private relationship, but I really think it needs to be done because there is a pandemic of women breaking up with their husbands for pretty much no good reasons.
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We also disagree that the parents staying together in an unhappy relationship is somehow better for the children. It's not. "Staying together for the kids" leads to exactly what I mentioned before, the children having a wildly inaccurate template of what a good relationship should be.
This is a valid point and I should keep this in mind as I try to modify and improve my suggestion.
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Your point about it being a government overreach, but that's ok because the government ALREADY overreaches, is...Well let's just say I disagree that because something wrong is already happening that we should say fuck it and double down.
Actually, I didn't say governmental overreach is always wrong. I said that when there is something important important at stake, then government intrusion into people's lives can sometimes be justified.
Furthermore, if you are against government overreach in my suggested idea, but you don't actively protest against similar overreach in, say, child abandonment laws, this means you are inconsistent in the application of your sense of justice.
I can be as selective as I want to be in what I decide to protest about, it doesn't make anything more, or less wrong than if I didn't protest about it. If you want the entire list of everything going on in the world that I feel is fucked up then we'd be here all night.
I'm not sure how many unhappy marriages you've been raised in, but it is not an example of a "stable and best possible environment" for a child as you seem to think.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about women, and that rubs me the wrong way. You are basically saying that the majority of women want out of their marriage because they selfishly want to be happy and that the man is usually doing nothing wrong. I find this a fundamentally flawed and misogynistic belief, and I give your opinions and your ideas less weight because I feel that your judgement cannot be trusted.
You seem very biased, which causes your premise to be slanted incorrectly from the very beginning, and any argument you follow down that path only leads to you being further from the conclusion that an unbiased view would find given the same set of information.
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We've tried a world without no-fault divorce and it's fucking terrible, hard pass. And until someone can provide empiric info that children do better in a loveless marriage (at best) than an amicable divorce where both parties co-parent than I see no reason to believe it would be any better for children.
BTW, If you cannot do this (amicably co-parent after a divorce) or your partner cannot do this and is not mature to y'all have fucking NO business having children together - don't stick your dick in someone who is incapable of putting their own small selfish shit aside for the sake of their literal child. Unfortunately, it's not common and people are garbage, but that doesn't make it any less pathetic.
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Not geared toward you ImaTrooper, I agree with you - just this sudden push to rollback no-fault divorce from short-sighted ideologues.
Edited by pirate-blues (01/19/24 11:12 AM)
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Joh.Ke
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Ima Trooper said:
I can be as selective as I want to be in what I decide to protest about, it doesn't make anything more, or less wrong than if I didn't protest about it. If you want the entire list of everything going on in the world that I feel is fucked up then we'd be here all night.
Perhaps I shouldn't have said protest. I don't mean that people have to be actively protesting. What I am trying to say is that when one feels one thing is bad, but is totally fine with another thing that is fundamentally the same, this means one is being inconsistent.
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I'm not sure how many unhappy marriages you've been raised in, but it is not an example of a "stable and best possible environment" for a child as you seem to think.
This is why I said your argument that forcing people to stay in an unhappy marriage can be worse for the child has some merit. But my point is rather that people should not only think about their personal happiness when evaluating their marriage. There is something else at stake, namely the welfare of their child.
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You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about women, and that rubs me the wrong way.
No. I mentioned that there are also men who act this way, in post #28626924, on page 2. I did mention women again without mentioning men, because it was easier to type. I fully acknowledge that a man can also dissolve a marriage for no good reason. This is not an exclusively female phenomenon.
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You are basically saying that the majority of women want out of their marriage because they selfishly want to be happy and that the man is usually doing nothing wrong. I find this a fundamentally flawed and misogynistic belief, and I give your opinions and your ideas less weight because I feel that your judgement cannot be trusted.
See above.
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You seem very biased, which causes your premise to be slanted incorrectly from the very beginning, and any argument you follow down that path only leads to you being further from the conclusion that an unbiased view would find given the same set of information.
I don't have any premise, because I am not arguing about a logical problem. I am just proposing a possible solution for what I see as a problem. Question for you: do you agree that there are people (not just women), who dissolve a marriage for frivolous reasons?
Edited by Joh.Ke (01/19/24 10:25 AM)
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Joh.Ke] 1
#28627007 - 01/19/24 10:30 AM (9 days, 4 hours ago) |
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I'll bite:
Yes. Do you think that's exclusive to one sex?
More questions for you:
What would you regard as frivolous? If someone's gonna jump ship over something like a petty fight, would you not agree that it'd probably be stupid to stay married to such a person in the first place? Furthermore, why do you believe government intervention is married above people dealing with the consequences of their own actions? There are mechanisms in place for people to protect themselves like prenups. After a certain point, don't you think any free society allows people to avoid staying in a marriage they don't want to, and furthermore be adults and deal with the consequences of that?
Don't pull the 'save the children' act without actual proof to back up your claims if you're trying to come across like you're actually objective.
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1-3” inches they said
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pirate-blues said: I'll bite:
Yes. Do you think that's exclusive to one sex?
More questions for you:
What would you regard as frivolous? If someone's gonna jump ship over something like a petty fight, would you not agree that it'd probably be stupid to stay married to such a person in the first place? Furthermore, why do you believe government intervention is married above people dealing with the consequences of their own actions? There are mechanisms in place for people to protect themselves like prenups. After a certain point, don't you think any free society allows people to avoid staying in a marriage they don't want to, and furthermore be adults and deal with the consequences of that?
Don't pull the 'save the children' act without actual proof to back up your claims if you're trying to come across like you're actually objective.
"Pulling an act"? "I am trying to come across like I'm actually objective"? Sounds like you have a problem with me. Come back to me when you are less biased.
Edited by Joh.Ke (01/19/24 10:41 AM)
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Joh.Ke]
#28627047 - 01/19/24 10:58 AM (9 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I apologize, I meant the "save the children" act in a trope sense - because it's a very common argument that people make and commonly without backing it up, not because of you individually.
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pirate-blues said: I apologize, I meant the "save the children" act in a trope sense - because it's a very common argument that people make and commonly without backing it up, not because of you individually.
Thank you.
And to answer your question:
Indeed we would need to determine what constitute frivolous reasons, and this is hugely problematic because it's not only subjective, it's also really not the business of a third party to try and determine such a thing in a private matter like marriage. However, I believe that this is a minor technical detail that can be worked out later. First we would have to reach the consensus that government involvement in divorces is needed. And we are still stuck on this first phase.
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Joh.Ke]
#28627323 - 01/19/24 02:31 PM (9 days, 26 minutes ago) |
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Well this thread certainly derailed in strange direction.
So anyway, let's see some pics of the snow at your place!!
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Rukus]
#28627334 - 01/19/24 02:37 PM (9 days, 20 minutes ago) |
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Hit a snow squall near Harpers Ferry, WV and all hell broke loose on the highway
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: koods]
#28627339 - 01/19/24 02:40 PM (9 days, 17 minutes ago) |
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koods said: Hit a snow squall near Harpers Ferry, WV and all hell broke loose on the highway

He is a member of the summer tires club. Usual winter meetings in the ditch.
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Rukus]
#28627349 - 01/19/24 02:52 PM (9 days, 6 minutes ago) |
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I rock studded snows on my truck and my wife the same on her SUV. I'm lucky I live right at the cut off if I lived any further south they aren't allowed. I can drive south with them and if I get pulled over the cop sees my address and cant do shit except the typical lecture about how studded tires are worse on dry roads and all this crap. I've lived in the north my entire life and know they are the tits on hard pack and icy roads there's no safer tire. I just take them off before the roads get dry.
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Rukus] 1
#28627351 - 01/19/24 02:53 PM (9 days, 4 minutes ago) |
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Some older photos but it looks like that right now
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Cool pics mang
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Winter is so neat!
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Tfw this threads topic goes from snow to people's icy ass ex's
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Re: Snowmageddon 2023 (?) [Re: twighead]
#28627636 - 01/19/24 06:44 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago) |
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twighead said: Tfw this threads topic goes from snow to people's icy ass ex's 
I was thinking the same....
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We got 6 inches of snow today. The good thing is that I got triple time to go plow it for 9 hours so no bitching from me.
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Bigworm] 4
#28628296 - 01/20/24 09:01 AM (8 days, 5 hours ago) |
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This username legit caused my heart to drop into my stomach.
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Re: Snowmageddon 2024 [Re: Ice9]
#28634503 - 01/25/24 01:12 PM (3 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Winter has been cancelled

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