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#28626884 - 01/19/24 08:42 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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After work I stopped at the grocery store. Grabbed groceries and a few gifts for my kid. Went across the street and got gas and a pack of papers. For whatever reason was being followed by a local cop. I’m sure the reason was my patchwork coat.
He waited until I was done getting gas and then peeled out behind me and hit me with the lights. I wasn’t sure exactly why, but I pulled over into a safe spot.
Had my id and insurance ready.
He asked if I had anything in the car. I said no. He asked 5 more times. I said no. He told me to get out of the car. I said no.
He grabs his gun and rips open my car door.
At this point I can see the escalated direction this was going c and clearly didn’t have an option. I stepped out in 15 degrees no gloves.
He said I would either give him consent to search or stand in the freezing cold detained and wait for a k9 to walk around the car.
I spent about 40 minutes explained to the now three cops how they were incorrect and they would be getting a nice complaint from my end. They sat and tried grilling me.
The cop asked for my phone number 6 times before I locked eyes with him and said “I’m not your fucking buddy. I’m not your fucking friend. I can see you’re just going to pull this bullshit and let me freeze out here, so search the fucking car, I have nothing to hide”
Cop finds a pack of papers and screams drug paraphernalia. I reminded him Marijuana is legal and there wasn’t any in the car. They searched for about 10 minutes while I was literally getting frost bite, as I wasn’t allowed to have my hands in my pockets.
I wasn’t able to record any of this as it all happened with a solid pre scripted way of the cops taking all power from me.
I was given a license plate ticket. I informed the cop I would be filing a complaint with his Sargent as well as going and filing a complaint with the federal court on him.
I look up ohios laws in regards, apparently in Ohio if the cop asks you to get out of the car, you not only have to comply, but you can be forcefully arrested for not doing so.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 4
#28626905 - 01/19/24 09:08 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Pigs be piggin'
Sorry to hear about your bullshit shakedown, the majority of cops can go choke to death on a dick, as far as I'm concerned.
How are your appendages doing after all that exposure?
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] 1
#28626949 - 01/19/24 09:49 AM (9 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Reading this thing and come to ‘consent… k9’. Something is wrong if they can pull you over and then wait for k9 to come and give them a right to then proceed to search the car. Those dogs are so far from man’s best friend.
Cop radio, “operation patchwork. Find his drugs!’
Glad to read of no troubles. And, yes, do take moment to put your two cents in to what happened. I’ve had the great disposition of being a victim to cop abuse and those cops have had the disposition of losing their employment. And the thing is, it was a major bummer by the cops action both times.
Patchwork coat, awesome clothing, a drug rug to your local cops. Ha.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28626972 - 01/19/24 10:06 AM (9 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Untested legal theory: I have said that I was outgunned and cooperating in order to avoid an inconvenience. I do not fully understand what are my rights, which would require a law degree.
Where I was told to sign, I made a notation, that I was put under pressure or duress, which really pisses them off.
There is a legal, gray area between being uncooperative and giving your rights away, and you were being held in damaging cold, the results of which should have been recorded.
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#28626982 - 01/19/24 10:09 AM (9 days, 4 hours ago) |
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ACAB
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: micronaut]
#28627068 - 01/19/24 11:09 AM (9 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Oof, they really fuck your shit right up don't they? It's disgusting. You're lucky they didn't try to accuse you DUI when they found the papers, idk about the legalities of it but I know that med patients in PA getting DUIs when they're not high is a known problem, wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't much better in Ohio.
I've been lucky enough to avoid it myself, but my friend went through it because they thought she was trafficking heroin (white girl going in and out of a bad area regulary maybe? She most certainly was not a heroin trafficker lol). Ripped her car's interior totally apart. She was a stylist and had a ton of expensive cosmetics and shampoos and stuff for work that got totally destroyed because they poured testing agents on/in everything. Found nothing, but of course there's no recouping those expenses in any current reality.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: durian_2008]
#28627574 - 01/19/24 06:11 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Untested legal theory: I have said that I was outgunned and cooperating in order to avoid an inconvenience. I do not fully understand what are my rights, which would require a law degree.
Where I was told to sign, I made a notation, that I was put under pressure or duress, which really pisses them off.
There is a legal, gray area between being uncooperative and giving your rights away, and you were being held in damaging cold, the results of which should have been recorded.
Well the body cam got turned on AFTER I got out of the car, but he forcefully opened my door hand on gun, so it was either get out or get shot.
I wasn’t even leaving a high profile area. I had a trunk and backseat full of groceries. Marijuana just got legalized on Dec 7th and he tried saying I had drug paraphernalia. I had an unopened pack of rolling papers I just bought. He couldn’t have even said ovi, as the pack had never been tampered with. I would’ve taken that to trial.
I hadn’t done a single mind altering substance what so ever. Not even nicotine. This shit happens every time I stop smoking. Like the cops are watching me and unless I’m killing my self, they’re on me. It’s why I always start.
This shit really bothers me, because I make most of my money delivering groceries in that area. There’s other areas but not as high pay. I’ve ran in with the cops countless times over the last 6 years, and they’ve always been chill and sometimes very helpful. Car breaks down on the side of the road, cop actually blocked highway traffic for me… like stood in the middle of the fucking lane and I was certain she was going to get hit… so I could put gas in my tank.
I’m not sure what this cop was on with me. It seemed very personal, and he brought up god like that. The whole thing was a head fuck. I was certain I was about to get fucked up.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 1
#28627580 - 01/19/24 06:14 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago) |
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I had a cop push my car with me. I had a cop unlock my car with my keys in it several times. I had a cop put gas in my tank twice.
I’m on the road so much it’s bound to happen here and there. They’ve always been chill, never even asked to search and just believed me when I spoke. This cop profiled the fuck out of me ( I had the same coat on in every run in with said cops accept one. )
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28627633 - 01/19/24 06:43 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Even though you shouldn't have to and it sounds stupid, maybe you should stop wearing that particular coat? Anyways, that sounds very horrible to go through. I've been strongly considering holding a sign up that says "End qualified immunity for cops" at the street corner for a while now.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28627663 - 01/19/24 07:19 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago) |
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I would throw that coat in the trash
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 1
#28627768 - 01/19/24 08:42 PM (8 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Yeah you definitely have to get out of the vehicle when asked to. You sure don't have to give them permission to search your car or give them your number that's just absurd.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: JonBongGroovy]
#28627935 - 01/19/24 11:20 PM (8 days, 15 hours ago) |
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It was like heavy metal patches sewed on or like a hobo jacket?

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It’s hand stitched by an artist in Nepal. It’s got no Grateful Dead, or any band insignia stuff on it. It’s not gang related. It’s art.
I get more positive reactions in public with this than I do any other coat. Mostly elderly people and kids.
I’m going to retire it though. I was going to retire it about a month ago, I just haven’t found a replacement yet. I kinda like the Lincoln’s that are similar to carharts though. I just got my fiancé one of those, and they look super durable and warm.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628114 - 01/20/24 05:25 AM (8 days, 9 hours ago) |
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The fact I’m being forced into changed attire is absolute bullshit though. We’ve been looking to move the last year as it is, so we are just looking at this as a blessing in disguise. Fuck Ohio.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628121 - 01/20/24 05:33 AM (8 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Keep the jacket but wear these -

They'll protect you from suspicion
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: feevers] 1
#28628126 - 01/20/24 05:38 AM (8 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Lmfao.
I’d get pulled over more with those.
“Sir, you did nothing wrong, just gonna need to ask for the name of everyone you know who does drugs”
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: It’s hand stitched by an artist in Nepal.
That's fucking gorgeous.

Too bad about the cops, man. Massive prejudice going on, evidently.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: koraks] 2
#28628169 - 01/20/24 06:40 AM (8 days, 8 hours ago) |
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It’s almost impossible to not wear it. I have the kindest walks of life approach me. People I can tell are pretty introverted, or jaded towards a harsh world, make time to just approach me and say hi. It’s always calm and happy chit chat and it brightens my day, and I can tell with my size it eases people when I enter stores.
I do 10-15 shopping trips a day. I’m a pretty large person. The coat is lightly a neutralizing approach to public for me. The cops just immediately see anything with art or style as drugs in the this area. Murder capital of the entire country, yet they focus on shit like this
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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That's an awesome coat! Ganesh has got your back even if the cops don't!
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628215 - 01/20/24 07:36 AM (8 days, 7 hours ago) |
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vandago said: The fact I’m being forced into changed attire is absolute bullshit though. We’ve been looking to move the last year as it is, so we are just looking at this as a blessing in disguise. Fuck Ohio.
No that wasn't what i envisioned, that's nice. Gtfo out of Ohio sounds like a plan, cops here only care about people doing drugs while driving, the days of 'do you have any weed in the car' are long over, maybe if you had a whole fresh crop you just tore down, but the war on weed, or personal amounts of any drugs are pretty over in my city.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: viraldrome]
#28628217 - 01/20/24 07:38 AM (8 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Marijuana is now recreationally legal to posses and grow here.
The cop pulled the papers out and said “drug paraphernalia “
I said “marijuana is legal”
He said “NOW IT IS”
I replied. “Yes. Now. As in this very moment. That is legal”
You can tell this split state will always be split.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 1
#28628286 - 01/20/24 08:53 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago) |
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If there is damage you can file a TORT claim with the department
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28628500 - 01/20/24 12:14 PM (8 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Just to my ego, and my time schedule. I was on my way home with food for tacos… the end game was me being 2 hours late, causing disruption of baby schedule. Too late to cook. The beef went bad this morning.
I dunno if I can file a request for a fresh pound of beef or not.
I mainly wanted to file a complaint that the cop needs retrained. He shouldn’t be using religion as a ground to search me for a legal substance.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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Sorry you went through it vand. Been there before but not in quite a while.
Do think it’s lame that officers get paid handsomely to sit there and search your car, and it’s OT for them if you decide to fight any of it in court. All civilians get is wasted time no usually a big middle finger from the law anyways.
Hopefully you don’t have to deal with that shit again
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: ManianFH] 2
#28628564 - 01/20/24 01:13 PM (8 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Also what I would do - in this situation follow the words of famous comedian Jerry Seinfeld - the best revenge is to live a good life.
Forget about the shit and don’t let it live rent free I. Your head any longer than it has to
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: ManianFH] 1
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I went back to work same as usual with the coat.
When I really think about it, I have more good come from it than I do bad.
Those cops reminded me of cops from the 90s. Just ignorant, forceful, lying through their teeth abuse of power with no one to stand in their way.
If that would’ve been in any other spot I would’ve just got a warning and told to move on
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 2
#28628683 - 01/20/24 03:06 PM (8 days, 1 minute ago) |
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Fuck those pigs vandago That sucks. Don't throw away that awesome coat
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
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I’m wearing it right now.
I have 3. The proceeds go to charity. I get one every few years. The work on them gets better and better.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628791 - 01/20/24 04:22 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago) |
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That hoodie screams “search me”
I like it a lot tho
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Vandago, are you sure you had to comply with the order to get out of your car when nothing had happened? That seems to go against the 4th amendment
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It’s the first time it’s ever happened. There’s been many encounters with them while I’m wearing it, and they always just help me. This is the first citation I’ve had since 2017.
Also. I do not believe I had to step out. There was 0 probable cause.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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I kinda doubt you had to. I believe you would've been completely within your rights to have a brief conversation with the window cracked just enough to talk, communicate that you weren't going to comply with unlawful or unneeded commands and hold tight until they realized you weren't worth messingwith. Even though you had nothing improper on you, people can still end up in trouble by complying. Some cops will plant evidence and drug dog handlers sometimes give a command for the dog to signal prompting more problems. It's hard dealing with cops being dicks but I try to ride the line between not giving up anything and not being too much of an asshole myself And always video your interactions before they even start
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
#28628839 - 01/20/24 04:47 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Did you read the story?
He opened my car door on his own with hand on pistol.
I was not given a choice.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628841 - 01/20/24 04:48 PM (7 days, 22 hours ago) |
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He also had his body cam off at that time. As soon as I stood up he turned it on.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28628889 - 01/20/24 05:11 PM (7 days, 21 hours ago) |
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I must've missed the part about opening your door Putting his hand on his gun was just him trying to be intimidating, which I understand, but you gotta ask yourself (or maybe him) are you really gonna shoot me over nothing?
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
#28628890 - 01/20/24 05:12 PM (7 days, 21 hours ago) |
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I guess my point is, as hard as it can be to not give in when people are powering tripping over you, giving in only leads to more power trippin
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
#28628919 - 01/20/24 05:33 PM (7 days, 21 hours ago) |
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TheStallionMang said: I must've missed the part about opening your door Putting his hand on his gun was just him trying to be intimidating, which I understand, but you gotta ask yourself (or maybe him) are you really gonna shoot me over nothing?
I’m not sure I’m going to play the “is he for real “ game when I’m out numbered 3 to 1 off camera and he’s already opened my car door.
I googled it after the fact, and Ohio state law says that if an officer demands you step out, you have to. That doesn’t mean he can search you, but he can make you step out. It also says there are no laws dictating my right to a supervisor.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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That's why he did it. Most people will just comply when his hand is on his gun and he knows it because of the implication of his hand being there I've had a lot of interactions with police and not one of them wasn't an asshole in some way
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
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What state do you live in?
Like I’ve already said. I’ve had many interactions with the cops in the last 7 years that were perfectly fine. Ran my name for warrants, and helped if need. No citation.
If the cop already has my door open, I’m getting out. I’m not getting shot because I’m standing my ground.
You may think you’re protected by rights, but that’s not until the situation is over.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629000 - 01/20/24 06:16 PM (7 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Would it be out of line to make business cards for the cop?
“Hey, I’m a cop, and I like suckin dick”
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TheStallionMang said: Vandago, are you sure you had to comply with the order to get out of your car when nothing had happened? That seems to go against the 4th amendment
In my reading the last few minutes, it seems that you have to get out of your car if an officer asks. People keep mentioning the court case Pennsylvania vs. Mimms.
"In a 6-3 per curiam ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court decided against Mimms, holding that the order to exit the car was reasonable and thus did not violate the Fourth Amendment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_v._Mimms
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TheStallionMang said: Vandago, are you sure you had to comply with the order to get out of your car when nothing had happened? That seems to go against the 4th amendment
In my reading the last few minutes, it seems that you have to get out of your car if an officer asks. People keep mentioning the court case Pennsylvania vs. Mimms.
"In a 6-3 per curiam ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court decided against Mimms, holding that the order to exit the car was reasonable and thus did not violate the Fourth Amendment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_v._Mimms
That is the exact case the officer used as reference.
He told me if I had not complied, he would have physically pulled me out of the car and arrested me on the spot.
We are living in a very dark age.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629142 - 01/20/24 08:06 PM (7 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Wow that's crazy. Quote:
vandago said: What state do you live in?
Like I’ve already said. I’ve had many interactions with the cops in the last 7 years that were perfectly fine. Ran my name for warrants, and helped if need. No citation.
If the cop already has my door open, I’m getting out. I’m not getting shot because I’m standing my ground.
You may think you’re protected by rights, but that’s not until the situation is over.
Oh I get it. When someone with a gun is making irrational demands you don't have much choice
I think it's crazy they can actually make you get out when nothing happened
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] 1
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Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629148 - 01/20/24 08:10 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I’m going to retire it though.
Yeah that is a very awesome jacket and it has such a great look and story to it, but when I first saw it, my first thought was: " The person wearing that probably does drugs" .. And from ME- that would be a good thing. But to the police?
After what you just went through- it's unfortunate that the world is this way- but that's a clear indicator.
Same thing like you said- having grateful dead and lots of other things can signal that the person (most likely)does drugs just from a glance.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: Shroomers420]
#28629164 - 01/20/24 08:22 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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That’s the sad part. This jackets proceeds go to charity in Nepal.
Grateful Dead merch typically goes to big business and rarely an artist.
I’m sure they look at my coat and immediately relate it to drugs and drug culture though. It’s sad. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.
alas, the are I work in isn’t changing for the better any time soon.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629181 - 01/20/24 08:31 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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vandago said: That’s the sad part. This jackets proceeds go to charity in Nepal.
Grateful Dead merch typically goes to big business and rarely an artist.
I’m sure they look at my coat and immediately relate it to drugs and drug culture though. It’s sad. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.
alas, the are I work in isn’t changing for the better any time soon.
It's related to me?
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629186 - 01/20/24 08:34 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago) |
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vandago said: That’s the sad part. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.
Yeah it's really messed up- but at least in the last 5 years, police mistreatment and brutality has gone way down because of cameras.
You mentioned in your original story how you couldn't film anything. Have you requested the body cam footage from the local police station?
That would be my first step./
Next- there's a guy on youtube who teaches you how to set these dirty ass pigs up with cameras that upload live to "the cloud" so even if the dirty cops destroy your phone or camera, it's all there- and there's multiple angles. It's not expensive to set them up.
Edit: And then Sue the fuck out of them and get them fired and in jail, and as a bonus get 12 million from the city. Cops know people try to set them up now, so I'm surprised this happened. Those cops abused you, plain and clear, and that's fucked up.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28629227 - 01/20/24 09:14 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up 
I like the way you think

Don't ask the cops for the body cam video, file a FOIA request for it.
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#28629252 - 01/20/24 09:38 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Buy a dash cam. They won’t pull this shit once you inform them they’re being recorded and they don’t have shit on you PC wise.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629292 - 01/20/24 10:53 PM (7 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Good point. A dash cam is a good idea. My buddy has one and he gets some funny or cool stuff recorded sometimes too
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang] 1
#28629433 - 01/21/24 05:36 AM (7 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Same thing happens to blacks. Was he wrong? Yes. And he knows it now. What to do about it? Not much. Do a YouTube search what happens when you resist.
Best case you look like a fool on YouTube. Worst case you get shot.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28629513 - 01/21/24 07:59 AM (7 days, 7 hours ago) |
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File a complaint. Maybe your complaint won't do anything but a multitude might. Obviously the officer thought he what he was doing was ok and won't stop until forced to stop. Im sorry this happened I am certain I would of also complied.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: flugelizor] 1
#28629604 - 01/21/24 09:10 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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flugelizor said: Same thing happens to blacks. Was he wrong? Yes. And he knows it now. What to do about it? Not much. Do a YouTube search what happens when you resist.
Best case you look like a fool on YouTube. Worst case you get shot.
Best case scenario you file a lawsuit and cash in Worse case scenario, your family files one on your behalf
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28629614 - 01/21/24 09:16 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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loladoreen said: File a complaint. Maybe your complaint won't do anything but a multitude might. Obviously the officer thought he what he was doing was ok and won't stop until forced to stop. Im sorry this happened I am certain I would of also complied.
It seems like every time a cop gets caught doing something really bad, they report all the prior complaints against the officer and people wonder "why didn't someone get rid of this cop with all these excessive force complaints?" Remember Derek Chauvin? I'm not saying don't file a complaint, just don't expect it to do any more than give that cop and his boss something to laugh about I know of a local cop who's raped/sexually assaulted 3 women (and likely more that didn't report it) while on duty and all they do is move him around like a dirty priest
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28629620 - 01/21/24 09:19 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up 
Ha ha that will show them when they destroy my car for a crime I lied about committing , thats just cutting off your nose to spite your face. You know these clowns plant drugs all the time right?
The best defence is be polite and get out of situation as soon as possible, be mad later. I am old enough to remember when there were no cameras and you would worry they might just shoot you and plant a gun on your body. Their is no benefit to either lipping off or screaming about your rights, get it all on your own camera and fight it later, out in the dark on the side of the road seems like odds are on their side in these interactions, no matter how well you know your rights. I mean you see the videos where it worked, but you didn't see the ones where people screaming about "muh rights" just got fucked.
Arguing against a search is pointless if they just bring in a drug dog and do the search anyway. I guess I haven't seen any vids where buddy just locks his door and refuses to exit where they smash the window, i was watching cops last night and they charge up with guns drawn, refusal to exit could be a death sentence in the USA. If they are pointing guns at you no one is arguing at that point unless they are crazy. They could say you not getting out is putting them at risk. Or they wanted to see you walk a straight line, I think you pretty much have to get out when they tell you to.
I personally have never had more than a traffic ticket, never been searched, but I give off a friendly vibe. If the choice is being an ass kisser for 10 minutes or getting a criminal record for life I know what I'm picking. Every job i had for the last 15 years did a criminal background check this would be a life ruining event for me, I get feeling a lot of young people don't recognize the long term impact. I have a buddy who got caught with a half gram of weed 30 years ago and still can't cross the US/Canada border. That is hard to explain to your wife's family when they are taking a trip and expect you to come, or your new employer who wants to send you to a conference.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: viraldrome]
#28629624 - 01/21/24 09:21 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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viraldrome said:
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spirit_shadow said: Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up 
Ha ha that will show them when they destroy my car for a crime I lied about committing , thats just cutting off your nose to spite your face. You know these clowns plant drugs all the time right?
The best defence is be polite and get out of situation as soon as possible, be mad later. I am old enough to remember when there were no cameras and you would worry they might just shoot you and plant a gun on your body. Their is no benefit to either lipping off or screaming about your rights, get it all on your own camera and fight it later, out in the dark on the side of the road seems like odds are on their side in these interactions, no matter how well you know your rights. I mean you see the videos where it worked, but you didn't see the ones where people screaming about "muh rights" just got fucked.
Arguing against a search is pointless if they just bring in a drug dog and do the search anyway. I guess I haven't seen any vids where buddy just locks his door and refuses to exit where they smash the window, i was watching cops last night and they charge up with guns drawn, refusal to exit could be a death sentence in the USA. If they are pointing guns at you no one is arguing at that point unless they are crazy. They could say you not getting out is putting them at risk. Or they wanted to see you walk a straight line, I think you pretty much have to get out when they tell you to.
I personally have never had more than a traffic ticket, never been searched, but I give off a friendly vibe. If the choice is being an ass kisser for 10 minutes or getting a criminal record for life I know what I'm picking. Every job i had for the last 15 years did a criminal background check this would be a life ruining event for me, I get feeling a lot of young people don't recognize the long term impact. I have a buddy who got caught with a half gram of weed 30 years ago and still can't cross the US/Canada border. That is hard to explain to your wife's family when they are taking a trip and expect you to come, or your new employer who wants to send you to a conference.
It would work for me cos I normally drive a beater leaving my good car at home most days. Tear it apart, I'm just gonna laught and make fun of them the whole time 
Edit: I've never been an ass kisser and I'm still a legal firearm owner. Fuck cops, don't let them bully you. I never take their shit. (I'm specifically talking about the bad ones by the way, I have met plenty of really good cops)
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: viraldrome]
#28629629 - 01/21/24 09:24 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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'Merica! Land of the free...meh
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
#28629639 - 01/21/24 09:29 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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It's the land of the free as long as you don't get caught
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28629649 - 01/21/24 09:38 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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...or if you're a cop Here's a good chunk of the news story about the cop I mentioned...he got caught, never got punished and is still a cop after promising as part of a dismissal of charges agreement that he would never be a cop again. I guess someone forgot to follow up

He's got a son and an ex-wife that are also cops and they're literally just as bad or worse than this rapist. They all still have their jobs
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28629660 - 01/21/24 09:51 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: flugelizor]
#28630968 - 01/22/24 11:48 AM (6 days, 3 hours ago) |
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flugelizor said: Same thing happens to blacks. Was he wrong? Yes. And he knows it now. What to do about it? Not much. Do a YouTube search what happens when you resist.
Best case you look like a fool on YouTube. Worst case you get shot.
What does skin color have to do with anything?
Not the angle I want this thread to go in.
I’m white. All three cops were white.
Of course the same thing happens to “blacks”. There’s not some race handbook they decide how to treat someone.
Every time anything police related happens, someone has to make it about race. Cops are pigs. They’re trained to be pigs. They’ll be a pig to ANYONE they’re not friends with or related to or work with.
Also. My fiancé got me a dash cam for Xmas. I feel silly for not having it hooked up at the time. I’ve got a lot going on in my life. It is essential for my line of work though. The intent of the cam is for my storage units, so I can film myself working and ensure no one can claim I robbed them when I end up with their shit.
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#28632034 - 01/23/24 11:08 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago) |
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So I’ve been grinding on research and info on this. It turns out the cop did not have the right to make me wait in the freezing cold for consent to search. I may sue this police department.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
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#28633123 - 01/24/24 10:08 AM (4 days, 5 hours ago) |
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I did an FOIA request this morning.
My attorney said if my story checks with the body cam footage, we are filing a civil suit.
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#28633364 - 01/24/24 01:52 PM (4 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Without trying to go too far into sovereign citizen lingo, that no one is listening to, I would be satisfied with generically-lawful behavior in which the leo's were civil servants like boyscouts.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: durian_2008]
#28633773 - 01/24/24 08:11 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago) |
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They should be.
We pay for them to harass us like this.
It’s bullshit.
I’m wondering if this body cam footage will surface.
I’m wondering how embarrassing it will be.
I don’t care. I’m taking this to the top if I can.
In 2013 I was pulled over 13 times. In all of those instances nothing was found. NOTHING. I was written 3 away belt tickets through the year. That’s all they could nail me with. During that time I just expected it my whole life.
Now I have a kid. And if my child had been with me during this, what would I do? Step out of the car and leave her alone? I’m done with it.
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28633862 - 01/24/24 09:29 PM (3 days, 17 hours ago) |
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vandago said: I did an FOIA request this morning.
My attorney said if my story checks with the body cam footage, we are filing a civil suit.
👍🏻 You asked for the police report and “any and all other info pertaining to the incident right”?
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
#28634005 - 01/25/24 04:17 AM (3 days, 10 hours ago) |
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13 times! Holy shit! What does your ride look like? Stickers, rust bucket? Do you speed?
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: flugelizor]
#28634032 - 01/25/24 05:58 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago) |
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vandago said: I did an FOIA request this morning.
My attorney said if my story checks with the body cam footage, we are filing a civil suit.
👍🏻 You asked for the police report and “any and all other info pertaining to the incident right”?
I had to file a request with the safety department, and they contact the Sargent. The Sargent should be getting everything I need, but I’m calling my criminal defense attorney again today to see if he can get more than I can.
My civil defense attorney told me not to file and claim, and tread lightly, so he can make sure the complaint is as detailed as possible.
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flugelizor said: 13 times! Holy shit! What does your ride look like? Stickers, rust bucket? Do you speed?
I was driving a mercury villager with no stickers, no rust, no loud muffler.
It was in the same county as the cbd grower above is suing, as well as a neighboring township that is also getting sued for harassment.
They pulled me over countless times in the villager , and then I was without a car for a years do to hardship. My neighbor hated my family, and started allowed the cops to sit in his driveway and do “speed traps”. So any time someone came to pick me up and take me to work, we get followed.
I was getting pulled over for crap like “a rolling stop” or “safety checks”
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