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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28629008 - 01/20/24 06:21 PM (7 days, 20 hours ago)

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Vandago, are you sure you had to comply with the order to get out of your car when nothing had happened?  That seems to go against the 4th amendment





In my reading the last few minutes, it seems that you have to get out of your car if an officer asks.
People keep mentioning the court case Pennsylvania vs. Mimms.

"In a 6-3 per curiam ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court decided against Mimms, holding that the order to exit the car was reasonable and thus did not violate the Fourth Amendment."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_v._Mimms


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28629013 - 01/20/24 06:23 PM (7 days, 20 hours ago)

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Vandago, are you sure you had to comply with the order to get out of your car when nothing had happened?  That seems to go against the 4th amendment





In my reading the last few minutes, it seems that you have to get out of your car if an officer asks.
People keep mentioning the court case Pennsylvania vs. Mimms.

"In a 6-3 per curiam ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court decided against Mimms, holding that the order to exit the car was reasonable and thus did not violate the Fourth Amendment."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_v._Mimms





That is the exact case the officer used as reference.

He told me if I had not complied, he would have physically pulled me out of the car and arrested me on the spot.

We are living in a very dark age.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629142 - 01/20/24 08:06 PM (7 days, 19 hours ago)

Wow that's crazy.
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What state do you live in?

Like I’ve already said. I’ve had many interactions with the cops in the last 7 years that were perfectly fine. Ran my name for warrants, and helped if need. No citation.

If the cop already has my door open, I’m getting out. I’m not getting shot because I’m standing my ground.

You may think you’re protected by rights, but that’s not until the situation is over.




Oh I get it.  When someone with a gun is making irrational demands you don't have much choice

I think it's crazy they can actually make you get out when nothing happened


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago] * 1
    #28629144 - 01/20/24 08:07 PM (7 days, 19 hours ago)

Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up :house:


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629148 - 01/20/24 08:10 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago)

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I’m going to retire it though.





Yeah that is a very awesome jacket and it has such a great look and story to it, but when I first saw it, my first thought was: " The person wearing that probably does drugs" .. And from ME- that would be a good thing. But to the police?

After what you just went through- it's unfortunate that the world is this way- but that's a clear indicator.

Same thing like you said- having grateful dead and lots of other things can signal that the person (most likely)does drugs just from a glance.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: Shroomers420]
    #28629164 - 01/20/24 08:22 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago)

That’s the sad part. This jackets proceeds go to charity in Nepal.

Grateful Dead merch typically goes to big business and rarely an artist.

I’m sure they look at my coat and immediately relate it to drugs and drug culture though. It’s sad. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.

alas, the are I work in isn’t changing for the better any time soon.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629181 - 01/20/24 08:31 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago)

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vandago said:
That’s the sad part. This jackets proceeds go to charity in Nepal.

Grateful Dead merch typically goes to big business and rarely an artist.

I’m sure they look at my coat and immediately relate it to drugs and drug culture though. It’s sad. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.

alas, the are I work in isn’t changing for the better any time soon.



It's related to me? :awehigh:


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629186 - 01/20/24 08:34 PM (7 days, 18 hours ago)

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vandago said:
That’s the sad part. This jacket is related to spirit, nothing music or drug.






Yeah it's really messed up- but at least in the last 5 years, police mistreatment and brutality has gone way down because of cameras.

You mentioned in your original story how you couldn't film anything. Have you requested the body cam footage from the local police station?

That would be my first step./

Next- there's a guy on youtube who teaches you how to set these dirty ass pigs up with cameras that upload live to "the cloud" so even if the dirty cops destroy your phone or camera, it's all there- and there's multiple angles. It's not expensive to set them up.

Edit: And then Sue the fuck out of them and get them fired and in jail, and as a bonus get 12 million from the city.
Cops know people try to set them up now, so I'm surprised this happened.
Those cops abused you, plain and clear, and that's fucked up.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28629227 - 01/20/24 09:14 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up :house:




I like the way you think
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Don't ask the cops for the body cam video, file a FOIA request for it.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28629252 - 01/20/24 09:38 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

Buy a dash cam.  They won’t pull this shit once you inform them they’re being recorded and they don’t have shit on you PC wise.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629292 - 01/20/24 10:53 PM (7 days, 16 hours ago)

Good point. A dash cam is a good idea. My buddy has one and he gets some funny or cool stuff recorded sometimes too


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28629433 - 01/21/24 05:36 AM (7 days, 9 hours ago)

Same thing happens to blacks.
Was he wrong? Yes. And he knows it now.
What to do about it? Not much.
Do a YouTube search what happens when you resist.

Best case you look like a fool on YouTube.
Worst case you get shot.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: vandago]
    #28629513 - 01/21/24 07:59 AM (7 days, 7 hours ago)

File a complaint.
Maybe your complaint won't do anything but a multitude might. Obviously the officer thought he what he was doing was ok and won't stop until forced to stop.
Im sorry this happened
I am certain I would of also complied.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: flugelizor] * 1
    #28629604 - 01/21/24 09:10 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

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flugelizor said:
Same thing happens to blacks.
Was he wrong? Yes. And he knows it now.
What to do about it? Not much.
Do a YouTube search what happens when you resist.

Best case you look like a fool on YouTube.
Worst case you get shot.




Best case scenario you file a lawsuit and cash in
Worse case scenario, your family files one on your behalf :dead:


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28629614 - 01/21/24 09:16 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

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loladoreen said:
File a complaint.
Maybe your complaint won't do anything but a multitude might. Obviously the officer thought he what he was doing was ok and won't stop until forced to stop.
Im sorry this happened
I am certain I would of also complied.




It seems like every time a cop gets caught doing something really bad, they report all the prior complaints against the officer and people wonder "why didn't someone get rid of this cop with all these excessive force complaints?"
Remember Derek Chauvin? I'm not saying don't file a complaint, just don't expect it to do any more than give that cop and his boss something to laugh about
I know of a local cop who's raped/sexually assaulted 3 women (and likely more that didn't report it) while on duty and all they do is move him around like a dirty priest

Cops look out for their own.  It's their code


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28629620 - 01/21/24 09:19 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up :house:




Ha ha that will show them when they destroy my car for a crime I lied about committing , thats just cutting off your nose to spite your face. You know these clowns plant drugs all the time right?

The best defence is be polite and get out of situation as soon as possible, be mad later. I am old enough to remember when there were no cameras and you would worry they might just shoot you and plant a gun on your body. Their is no benefit to either lipping off or screaming about your rights, get it all on your own camera and fight it later, out in the dark on the side of the road seems like odds are on their side in these interactions, no matter how well you know your rights. I mean you see the videos where it worked, but you didn't see the ones where people screaming about "muh rights" just got fucked.

Arguing against a search is pointless if they just bring in a drug dog and do the search anyway. I guess I haven't seen any vids where buddy just locks his door and refuses to exit where they smash the window, i was watching cops last night and they charge up with guns drawn, refusal to exit could be a death sentence in the USA. If they are pointing guns at you no one is arguing at that point unless they are crazy. They could say you not getting out is putting them at risk. Or they wanted to see you walk a straight line, I think you pretty much have to get out when they tell you to.

I personally have never had more than a traffic ticket, never been searched, but I give off a friendly vibe. If the choice is being an ass kisser for 10 minutes or getting a criminal record for life I know what I'm picking. Every job i had for the last 15 years did a criminal background check this would be a life ruining event for me, I get feeling a lot of young people don't recognize the long term impact. I have a buddy who got caught with a half gram of weed 30 years ago and still can't cross the US/Canada border. That is hard to explain to your wife's family when they are taking a trip and expect you to come, or your new employer who wants to send you to a conference.


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: viraldrome]
    #28629624 - 01/21/24 09:21 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
Fuck that. I would have lied and told him I have drugs hidden extremely well in the car and I'm not telling him where. That way I can play a nice game of who can stand the cold the longest with all the officers that show up :house:




Ha ha that will show them when they destroy my car for a crime I lied about committing , thats just cutting off your nose to spite your face. You know these clowns plant drugs all the time right?

The best defence is be polite and get out of situation as soon as possible, be mad later. I am old enough to remember when there were no cameras and you would worry they might just shoot you and plant a gun on your body. Their is no benefit to either lipping off or screaming about your rights, get it all on your own camera and fight it later, out in the dark on the side of the road seems like odds are on their side in these interactions, no matter how well you know your rights. I mean you see the videos where it worked, but you didn't see the ones where people screaming about "muh rights" just got fucked.

Arguing against a search is pointless if they just bring in a drug dog and do the search anyway. I guess I haven't seen any vids where buddy just locks his door and refuses to exit where they smash the window, i was watching cops last night and they charge up with guns drawn, refusal to exit could be a death sentence in the USA. If they are pointing guns at you no one is arguing at that point unless they are crazy. They could say you not getting out is putting them at risk. Or they wanted to see you walk a straight line, I think you pretty much have to get out when they tell you to.

I personally have never had more than a traffic ticket, never been searched, but I give off a friendly vibe. If the choice is being an ass kisser for 10 minutes or getting a criminal record for life I know what I'm picking. Every job i had for the last 15 years did a criminal background check this would be a life ruining event for me, I get feeling a lot of young people don't recognize the long term impact. I have a buddy who got caught with a half gram of weed 30 years ago and still can't cross the US/Canada border. That is hard to explain to your wife's family when they are taking a trip and expect you to come, or your new employer who wants to send you to a conference.



It would work for me cos I normally drive a beater leaving my good car at home most days. Tear it apart, I'm just gonna laught and make fun of them the whole time :lol:


Edit: I've never been an ass kisser and I'm still a legal firearm owner. Fuck cops, don't let them bully you. I never take their shit. (I'm specifically talking about the bad ones by the way, I have met plenty of really good cops)


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: viraldrome]
    #28629629 - 01/21/24 09:24 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

'Merica! Land of the free...meh
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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28629639 - 01/21/24 09:29 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

It's the land of the free as long as you don't get caught :ancientaliens:


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Re: Got my entire car ripped apart last night. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28629649 - 01/21/24 09:38 AM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

...or if you're a cop
Here's a good chunk of the news story about the cop I mentioned...he got caught, never got punished and is still a cop after promising as part of a dismissal of charges agreement that he would never be a cop again.  I guess someone forgot to follow up
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He's got a son and an ex-wife that are also cops and they're literally just as bad or worse than this rapist.  They all still have their jobs

https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/crime/2013/09/20/ex-cop-pleads-guilty-agrees/41766469007/


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