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Genetics and their fun
    #28626874 - 01/19/24 08:32 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

So I’ve recently decided to share my thoughts. It’s an interesting topic, the genetics and all. If you look at what was done with the penis envy. A mysterious Amazonian strain, that wasn’t a cube. Slowly taking it, and breeding it over time to resemble a cube.

See, it couldn’t produce spores well. So how do you make that happen? You have to mix it with something that can. It was close enough to cube genetics to work.

Tho if you understand evolution, then the major changes in a mushroom aren’t the addition and subtraction of genetics but rather the expression of them.

I’ve made a statement on Panaeolus cyanescens. If you can breed penis envy with Texans, what can you breed pans with on agar?

It’s why reverts are more special than the original. Most of those cloned strains, while they can have good genetics. You are limited to the aspect that it’s a clone. So you have a master that needs to be maintained, or slants.

While that’s fine, the revert is where it’s at. Why? Because now you’ve bread genetics that have the potential to be the parents with the genetic reproduction expressed properly.

This is the same reason I think people have become too obsessed with contamination. A jar gets contaminated, don’t toss it. Ride it out, if it wins you might just have made genetic progress. By breeding in its defense and durability back in. While hopefully not compromising potency.

I would argue that you have reduced potency. Why? As a defense it doesn’t make sense. A mushroom wants to be eaten, as in the digestive tract spores can thrive well. Sure they travel in the wind, and many end up uneaten.


The true survival mechanic would be to spread as far as they can, and then settle in a safe spot. Far from the parent colony, as to preserve resources and spread its genes. A pile of dung sounds swell to a mushroom. So potency could be looked at as a way to get an animal to move as far away as possible. I would wadger nausea and vommiting might also change. Tho you might need actual sunlight for some of this. One could wonder what the skin of the mushroom does, as we create vitamin d…..

So that’s what I’m into finding out. How far down the rabbit hole can we go?


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Re: Genetics and their fun [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28626901 - 01/19/24 09:04 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Penis envy is a cube. Who is saying it's not?


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Re: Genetics and their fun [Re: hellofresh]
    #28627256 - 01/19/24 01:35 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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hellofresh said:
Penis envy is a cube. Who is saying it's not?




When it was found, in the Amazon, all those years ago. It wasn’t very stable……


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Re: Genetics and their fun [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28627635 - 01/19/24 06:44 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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mushroomboy said:
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hellofresh said:
Penis envy is a cube. Who is saying it's not?




When it was found, in the Amazon, all those years ago. It wasn’t very stable……



But, it was a cube. Quite literally.


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Re: Genetics and their fun [Re: HappinessStan]
    #28627816 - 01/19/24 09:18 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Species and Speciation in Mushrooms: Development of a species concept poses difficulties
This paper should clear a few things up, and as all good research papers do, lead to more questions.
Nec D is a Pan cyan x Pan cambo I believe. Cubes have been crossed with nats, and others. Penis envy is a cubensis, thats not even a question. Revert just shows a lines instability the expression of what is dominant nothing special about it at all.  like baldness that skips a generation.

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Re: Genetics and their fun [Re: Land Trout]
    #28628165 - 01/20/24 06:25 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Species and Speciation in Mushrooms: Development of a species concept poses difficulties
This paper should clear a few things up, and as all good research papers do, lead to more questions.
Nec D is a Pan cyan x Pan cambo I believe. Cubes have been crossed with nats, and others. Penis envy is a cubensis, thats not even a question. Revert just shows a lines instability the expression of what is dominant nothing special about it at all.  like baldness that skips a generation.




Species divergence over time. Yah that also gets into question what we call a strain, cause it’s also very uhhhh. Loosely used a lot. So really most of what we do is actual isolations. You could argue the cubes are just an isolate of a larger group.

Genetics get tricky this way. If they did what we do in marijuana plants, the confusion is already bad enough in that front. You could call the standard “cube” that we study a branch itself. It’s definitely not genetically the same as the wild anymore.


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