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 Are the mushrooms really talking to me?  1
#28626685 - 01/19/24 02:31 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I've been dabbling in the psychedelics I.e mushrooms for quite some time. On several occasions it seems that there's four or five maybe more entities that are communicating seemingly telepathically. I know McKenna said it was the mushroom talking that they were maybe aliens but I'm not sure. Has anyone else experienced this? Is this like a common thing or am I just a little schizophrenic?
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead] 4
#28626705 - 01/19/24 03:22 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Threads like this always remind me how radically wild our brain is, especially of how bizarrely marvelous a collection of many integral things it really is.
I'll be forthright with you, then share some personal experience and a word or two or 10,000….cool?
So… I don't think it's literally aliens from a planet somewhere; that, say, if you gave me access to a good enough team of astronomers (I initially did call them astroduders, then edited, fact) that one day say we'd find them somewhere in the sky. Maybe, but if so, it likely wouldn't even be the one's one thought they'd be.
More like some protoplasm on a rock somewhere....
I mean, if we found the Klingon home world rl equivalent… sweet.
And, iff not, oh well, we're (some of us) are working on the *Federation (i kid, but I do mean that many people are working to better life for the lot of us all) but it's a work in progress - it ain't done-done , bruddha.
(Get on it, shroomery?!  )
Anyways, I think if you reality test your experiences thoroughly with a clear head and careful scrutiny? Over time…
You might come to consider (your experiencing living as yourself while tripping on any substance) in a variety of assorted ways, ways that can change with time but also as opposed to simply just one final slam dunk of a single proposal and - bam- that's it, I don’t think it like that, you know?
Imho, it would seem a bit too closed minded for someone who's interacted with their own brain like you've mentioned. There's maybe some good to be learned from it, maybe some nonsense to be shagged off, too. That's for you to figure out too.
Just to so you know,
I can recall fungi trips of my own with a 'telepath' 'encounter',
but when you're tripping on psychedelics…what's really doing the counting?
Let's break the word down (in merely one of a variety of possible ways: -Encounter-
'En' ~ +~(as in ) [:b]Within'~+~ ' Counter '
If not for the senseory organs in connection with the nervous system in tandem with everything else & eachother with the brain, then what else is there to account for our life’s experience?
The brain alone can't independently look, here, see, taste, touch, smell, etc - not alone without the eyes, ears, nose, tongue, etc, etc ~ those don’t detect if there’s absolute nothing beyond themselves, thankfully we’ve eachother and nature as a whole on this lovely pale blue dot to accompany us while floating through majestic space.
Alright, so you had some strange unfamiliar exp- probably not quite easy a thing to share with just anyone, so you’re here. Let’s see here, Is there anybody else in you?
Is there even a self in you?
It kind of depends on how one might look at things. For instance, I think of myself as a whole, but simultaneously, I can see shared traits and or similarities (and unique differences too) with others, as if I can see my entire family in myself, and, most other people too, including animals, plants, fungi, pretty much...anything - you name, it’s there, somehow - like a natural dreamy cool as shit hologram (tripping or not: but tripping does make the mind’s so-called ‘absence’ seem more ‘apparent’ than usual, after all psychedelic
Psyche ~ of Mind
Delic ~ Manifesto (like magic, or like an illusion - but not really either, it’s unique, although it may contain some seemingly magical quality about it, and, also carry with it the potential for illusoriness.
Overall, the mind, genetics, the cosmos in general~ we hardly (even professionals) understand anything at all ~ as a species ~ were young ~ and, It seems like psychedelics shed some light on some of the finer parts of the small fine print of one’s own 'blueprint' at times, so to speak.
So - I - Encounter, myself ~ singularly or comprehended via manifoldness, there's but still only one reflection when I look in the mirror. Despite having the capacity for vision in vision.
The only thing is, (aside from relatively large doses for myself, which becoming more rare as I age) I don't experience anything nearly that farout when tripping these days (but I’m sure that will change like everything else too)
I usually just chill and have a good time while remembering things while I'm doing them and other things, too. Idk how else to put it.
It's just….harmony, sometimes with some hiccups of chaos every now and again.
But my point is, relax, take a breath, count to ten slowly, empty yourself, shower, sleep, wake up, do whatever you must to fulfill your responsibilities within good reason ~ however, when in existential doubt about ‘oneself’ as possibly loosing their good sense….just check a mirror...ha.
Sure, they can and do morph and do all kinds of other things, too….thats "while tripping"
~ but, I’d bet on it that f you recorded yourself while actually doing so, and then look back on footage after you'd come down...? I bet it’s just a person basically dreaming while awake and not quite recognizing that as an already present somewhat almost always intrinsic part of experience ~ it’s just that it can b3come so pronounced in such variegated & even ineffable ways while on certain dosages of select psychedelic substances, some so powerful it’s like they can instantly transform our lives ~ same as with how a mighty dream might do to you if something is discovered about it.
I'll let you do the math.
Imho, That's how our brain normally operates, just usually it does so with “more so semi-permeable membranes” rather than less so - as psychedelics definitely can break down certain things….obvium!
Perhaps, due to thinking of ourselves as tripping when taking a drug and not tripping while not having ingested said drug is some sort of true divider between our experience? I don’t. It’s basically the sameness arrived at differently ; ie. Like a differential equation (in a manner of speaking), one which we might or don't usually see it so fundamentally undivided in unitary essence like that - at least, not in the same intensity of light as while compared to the contrasting of things while not on a large dosage of mushrooms, with that of being on a dose of mushrooms that can enable it that is.
For instance, in an earlier alluded to experience, I recall a trip with an 'entity' pretty much, which, from my personal (experiential only tho, as in not objectively there for all else to see, like ones dreams, ie. Private, and personal) anywho - from my visual field's point of view, the entity manifested of my own mind, despite being of mind —-would've looked like it came down from the sky!
Ha, as if descending upon my person, from up on high, only at an angle, not directly like dropping something out of your hand when no wind is blowing. Amazing.
Anyways, I was highly skeptical as to how uncanny it initially seemed to be , but, guess what?
'It' too….was highly skeptical of me! (Go figure, mind’like’mirror, anyone?. 
Hah.
Eventually I calmed down and I sat for an hour with my eyes closed for most of it and just chilled, during which it began hovering back to me, and then it was as if it had kinda merged with my person, returned of whence it came….only thereafter for about 30~45 mins or so the ummm,,”intratelecommunications commenced” (lmao, sry I find the phrasing for some these types of things to be a bit silly, but yeah, Even while sober the body talks to us, if we’re paying attention, that is.
Anywho….all in all?
Experientially, It was incredible.
I could posit any question imaginable, and
actually not only intuit the answer,
but also have a visual corresponding image with it, (wow, sounds like normal life a bit but accentuated differently- one which wasn't static in nature ~ but each one was like a transfigured version of whatever accompanying set my mood was in at the time, which took on the very features i'd recognized from prior life experience combined into my then tripping self's experience as if literally (virtually, that is) of the following:
Love or Loving-kindness (metta)
Compassion (karuna)
Sympathetic Joy (mudita)
Equanimity (upekkha)
A corridor would open in relation to one of the above, depending upon what my attitude at the time was most reflective of - each one would seemingly open endlessly wide and deep with nothing but a misty sort of light in the dark of an endless hall for each one.
Then I got ahead myself and wondered 'with it'
"hey, can you show me the future?"
and then I had the most rapid series of intense visionary experiences unfold exponentially so until it intensified to such degree that everything just went white - i opened my eyes, I was just chillin' outside at midnight, under the moon, with a smile on my face.
That's about it. I figure I might've gotten to know myself a different shade of light than usual, is all.
Idk about you. The mushrooms don't talk to me as 'mushrooms' per say. Not while they're dead and dried and powderized sitting in a jar somewhere in my pantry....I never got the whole 'the mushrooms are talking to me', then again, I never considered Mckenna as a truthful source, rather, one artist's representational imitations of mind's animation with whatever they had in store to express it with. I guess he went the alien route. Too bad the aliens don't just nut up and show themselves in the plain light of day for all the Earth to see.
My guess is, while experientially convincing at times, it's not always really all that it seems like it may seem at the time while tripping, is all.
Think about when you go to sleep and dream at night, I'm going to go out on a limb here and presuppose you've experienced dreaming featuring other people, things, places, etc, etc ~ things that felt so real and seemed so true while happening, until the dream went *poof* and awake to the fact that you were dreaming it came to light, am I right or not?
If so, then if you're brain can already do that - hallucinate people and simulate seemingly of worlds of things...then factoring in a hallucingenic into the mix of a brain already susceptible to hallucination, and it can make for some rather interesting and deceptively enchanting hallucination, too, fascinating as it is - i think it better to be as truthful as mind is transparent - psychedelics or not - to do so with ourselves as we can, sometimes it just takes time, other times...actually, idk about others times, just now and all the memories living in me through it.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead] 1
#28626845 - 01/19/24 07:58 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Who knows? What are they saying?
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead]
#28627050 - 01/19/24 11:00 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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The mushrooms are not talking to you. You are taking a drug and getting high, when you are high you brain is function differently than what you are used to when sober. Do not get sucked into the mumbo jumbo world of psychedelic pseudo science/religion. Enjoy your experiences for what they are.
I have had all sorts of wild experiences on LSD and mushrooms that could be attributed to anything the human imagination is capable off imagining. There is no need to believe that drugs give you some form of super powers, you brain is wild enough already.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead] 1
#28627142 - 01/19/24 12:07 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I am glad The Blind Ass did all that writing, cause I am not in the mood.
There are several threads about "entities" "entity encounters" etc.
Hundreds of points of view
eg https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28177920/page/1
& https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28510468/page/1
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28430478#28430478
all the way from
Yes they are totally real and the mushroom universe opens up for you...
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they are real in the sense that you are really seeing or hearing them...
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no they are not real you are just creating them with your mind.
some dogmatic, some adamant, some starry eyed, some defensive, some offensive, some scientifical, some mysticacle....
and if all of that is true, and only slightly partially contradictory it is what it is.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Kiwi89] 2
#28627144 - 01/19/24 12:09 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I don’t think they speak to you but it does feel like that. I feel it’s more some sort of opening up and allowing communication between different parts of the brain that don’t normally communicate. And or opening up and accessing the sub conscious mind more directly than possible without. But I don’t know…. I can have the same kind of understandings during meditation and it’s said that’s partially what does. Allows better access to the subconscious or higher self.
Reason I don’t think they speak to you is simple. For example, I saw a guy saying how he caught a whiff of his BO and thought man I stink. The mushrooms “said to him” because you eat the dead rotting flesh of animals. You need to eat life. So he became vegetarian/vegan.
Well I’ve been mostly carnivore for almost 5yrs now. It has been one of the best things I have ever done. Physically inside and out from appearance to aches and pains/inflammation. Mentally from better mental health to clarity. The list is long and good in every single way from what was lost and what was gained nothing but positive.
I can assure you they have never told me or hinted in any way shape or form to stop eating meat.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead] 1
#28627161 - 01/19/24 12:24 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Eatthedead said:
I've been dabbling in the psychedelics I.e mushrooms for quite some time. On several occasions it seems that there's four or five maybe more entities that are communicating seemingly telepathically.
Yes.
It is the opinion of some that these are just imaginations/mental creations.
However, I've always been heavier on the ESP( extra sensory perception, AKA- psychic abilities) side of things, so mushrooms absolutely unlock that potential in some peoples brains to experience actual psychic phenomenon. In my OPINION!
For instance, on one particular trip, I was able to remote view better than ever before while sober. Really wild stuff.
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#28627734 - 01/19/24 08:09 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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It is a somewhat common thing. Are Shrooms actually sentient beings that are able to communicate with its user who ingested them? Or are shrooms a natural method for Aliens to speak with us from other dimensions? Or are the voices/entities just our subconscious? Those questions are yet to be fully answered and heavy debates have been done in the recent past on the actual source of these voices/entities.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28627751 - 01/19/24 08:22 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said:
heavy debates have been done in the recent past on the actual source of these voices/entities.
What were the findings or summary of the debate?
Have any links or information. I'd be curious as everyone else is, I'm sure.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28627769 - 01/19/24 08:43 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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It's one of those questions similar to whether if there's an actual god or not. Nobody will ever be able to give a proper response to that. Only whatever he or she believes to be the case.
Just like LC just said above.
Debates about whether mushrooms convey a message or not, entities exist, etc are surely interesting, but you'll never get a satisfying answer to your question. Usually thread like this end in arguments where one side is defending their side and the other side is defending theirs, which can be kind of entertaining but leads to nothing.
That being said, I've had things being said to me while under the influence of DMT/changa or salvia and most of these things have been greatly beneficial to my life in general.
Was it my subconscious that I heard? Was it a being from another dimension? I don't know, but whatever it was I am grateful to have had that experience and that's what matters most to me.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Fridgedoor] 1
#28627786 - 01/19/24 08:59 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Was it my subconscious that I heard? Was it a being from another dimension? I don't know, but whatever it was I am grateful to have had that experience and that's what matters most to me.
Another explanation is it's the persons Guardian Angel. A lot of people don't realize that each human has their own Guardian Angel. We also have the ability to call upon the higher Angels for help as well. Angels are, well, entities, sure, but, given the personal Angel that each person has, perhaps the mushrooms allow the opening of conversation.
If what I say above is true, which I believe, That also means that there are other entities, like Deities, False Gods, Demons, Djinn, etc.... right? I sure do think so as I've seen some of them.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Shroomers420]
#28627809 - 01/19/24 09:16 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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However you still can't prove their existence right? So, you seem to be convinced everyone has got a guardian angel, while someone who reads your post doesn't.
And don't get me wrong, I am open to the idea of all kinds of things, but at the same time I also know that these ideas could as well be just a construct of my mind.
I say as long as our lifes benefit from whatever we believe to be true and it doesn't hurt anyone, it's all good.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Fridgedoor]
#28627821 - 01/19/24 09:24 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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However you still can't prove their existence right? So, you seem to be convinced everyone has got a guardian angel, while someone who reads your post doesn't.
And don't get me wrong, I am open to the idea of all kinds of things, but at the same time I also know that these ideas could as well be just a construct of my mind.
I say as long as our lifes benefit from whatever we believe to be true and it doesn't hurt anyone, it's all good.
Yeah exactly. I used to get into these debates like you're talking about, and try to prove through my own experiences that I am right, but other people didn't have that experience.
I learned a long time ago to never get into politics, religion/beliefs(and a few other subjects like abortion, guns, etc) etc too deep in conversation with people. It just causes problems and I do not have time for that. My time will be used listening to my Guardian Angel and making a better life for myself and others
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#28627845 - 01/19/24 09:38 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said:
heavy debates have been done in the recent past on the actual source of these voices/entities.
What were the findings or summary of the debate?
Have any links or information. I'd be curious as everyone else is, I'm sure.
Try this old thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11341643#11341643
Another oldie but goodie: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10576441#10576441
And one i made (however it goes off-topic several times): https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28430478#28430478
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Shroomers420]
#28628080 - 01/20/24 03:32 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Shroomers420 said:
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LogicaL Chaos said:
heavy debates have been done in the recent past on the actual source of these voices/entities.
What were the findings or summary of the debate?
Have any links or information. I'd be curious as everyone else is, I'm sure.
The summary was, and always will be... nobody knows!
I've never used an Ouija board! Absurd really, as I'm sure if such things as spirits do exist, DMT is a far more efficient means of communication! But for some reason I have always been hesitant...
But I do find it interesting how what those mystics, who do use Ouija board, describe as the "astral realm" so closely seems to correlate with the oral DMT, or high dose mushroom experience.
I've read books written by Ouija practitioners, and found it truly uncanny how the elemental's and demons they described (and how to deal with them) so closely correlated with the kind of demons and elemental's (and how to deal with them) I myself had encountered in hyperspace!
The moniker "spirit molecule" also seems very appropriate, though applicable only to either DMT (oral) or psilocybin in my (comparatively limited) experience.
On LSD and cannabis I've experienced full blown paranoid schizophrenia with demonic delusions insisting I was about to be murdered, but (in a manner I cannot articulate) I somehow still wouldn't call either LSD, or cannabis a spirit molecule.
Oral DMT or psilocybin? High dose?
Real or not!
These are the spirit molecules!
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LogicaL Chaos said:
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Shroomers420 said:
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LogicaL Chaos said:
heavy debates have been done in the recent past on the actual source of these voices/entities.
What were the findings or summary of the debate?
Have any links or information. I'd be curious as everyone else is, I'm sure.
Try this old thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11341643#11341643
Another oldie but goodie: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10576441#10576441
And one i made (however it goes off-topic several times): https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28430478#28430478
 
Well thank you Logical Chaos! I have hours of reasearch to do now.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#28629214 - 01/20/24 09:01 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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The clarity of what you wrote is astounding to me, thank you very much for it !
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#28630652 - 01/22/24 04:21 AM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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#28631596 - 01/22/24 11:40 PM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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Thank you for all the replies gives me a lot to ponder. It's truly amazing to see the other's think. And how opinions can differ so greatly. I really appreciate all of you.
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Re: Are the mushrooms really talking to me? [Re: Eatthedead]
#28631611 - 01/23/24 12:22 AM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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It's truly amazing to see the other's think. And how opinions can differ so greatly. I really appreciate all of you.
We need people with different opinions to shine the light in different directions so that society can move. Hopefully it is always a net move in the positive direction, which ever way that may be.
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