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What’s going on here
#28610979 - 01/05/24 08:23 PM (22 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Afternoon all,
Total noob here! So…. I did a search for this but got no definitive answer. Details are mono with B+, substrate is coco coir and verm (at good field capacity). It looked like it was starting to get early knotting but has now started to go shiny in some areas (almost like a slug has crawled over them). I stupidly misted after getting worried it was drying out, could this be the issue? Am I ok here?
P.s. tried my best to get a photo but it was very difficult. I’ve included the shiny parts and the whole tub.
Thank you all for any reply’s.


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Your surface is matting up. Likely from drying out too much and then getting misted.
You have too much fresh air exchange. You need to reduce it to dial in your tub and get proper surface moisture.
What type of setup is your tub? How many holes and what size are they?
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Re: What’s going on here [Re: Way]
#28611003 - 01/05/24 08:46 PM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Hey mate thanks for replying.
It’s a shitty thing called a boombox, after reading more I’ll be doing Pastywhytes EZ dial tub next time but unfortunately I’m stuck with this one atm.
I’ve added a picture it has vents on the top and 4 holes on the sides approx 1 1/2 inches, I’ve put two layers of micropore and have been adjusting the vents to keep the RH steady at 90 ish.

Thanks
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What I would do is start by giving it a gentle mist to get it as close to beaded up with moisture as possible. Then I'd close the top 2 vents up and leave it alone for a couple days and go from there. You don't want to let it get completely dry again and you want to avoid a cycle of drying out and misting. Your next tub will be so much better with the EZ Dial.
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NotEnoughToDoThat said: Hey mate thanks for replying.
It’s a shitty thing called a boombox, after reading more I’ll be doing Pastywhytes EZ dial tub next time but unfortunately I’m stuck with this one atm.
I’ve added a picture it has vents on the top and 4 holes on the sides approx 1 1/2 inches, I’ve put two layers of micropore and have been adjusting the vents to keep the RH steady at 90 ish.

Thanks
Hello and welcome to the forum! Upgrading to an EZ dial is an excellent idea. Once I started using them I never looked back.
A few things I noticed:
As mentioned above, the surface is matting, likely due to cycles of drying out and then misting. Misting is NOT how to re-hydrate a substrate that is drying or dried out. Misting is only to create proper surface conditions with fine beads of water.
It's easy to improperly mist in a few ways. 1) misting too frequently thinking it is going to hydrate your substrate (it wont, it will only create puddles which leads to more problems). 2) directly spraying the substrate. This leads to matting. You should spray your mist above the substrate and let the fine mist drop onto the substrate. 3) accidentally misting with 70% iso lol (it happens a lot..I'm guilty of it myself).
You should be using a much finer grade vermiculite. It looks like you've got full on stones in there.
Smooth and level surfaces promote better surface conditions and an even pinset. Your surface looks pretty lumpy.
As for your boom box - close the vents on the top and keep them closed. Forget the hygrometer on there even exists, they're useless in this hobby unless you're running a tent because they don't measure humidity on the surface which is what we're concerned about. A slow, steady evaporation of water on the surface is what triggers pinning. We don't so much care what the RH is at the top of a dome. Make adjustments to your micropore tape, not the vents. And even then I'm tempted you just stop making adjustments. As a beginner it is VERY easy to 'love your project to death'. Cubes are easy AF to grow. They're like weeds compared to other species. They'll grow in a completely sealed trash bag with no light..it's not ideal by any means, but what I'm trying to illustrate is that they're hardy and basically as long as you don't let them dry out you'll get some fruits.
Keep the humidity up (ignore the hygrometer) and get a new project started in the mean time. You may get some fruits from this tub but it won't be a pretty flush.
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Re: What’s going on here [Re: Way]
#28611104 - 01/06/24 12:28 AM (22 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Thanks for the advice! Yeah once I saw it, this one looked ridiculous really. I feel like I should stick to PF TEK for a bit to better learn the nature of the beast.
Thank you again for jumping in, it’s scary when you don’t know haha.
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Thanks for replying mate and for the welcome, loving the community.
Awesome info! It seems EZ dial tubs are the way to go. I definitely made some crappy mistakes on this one such as the lumpy bits I did it from a BRF bag and was worried to work it too much into the substrate.
The future is spawned jars, agar and EZ dial tubs and probably PF TEK for a bit longer.
If you don’t mind could I ask your opinion on a casing layer, yay or nay?
Again thank you very much for helping out, I really appreciate it.
I’ve got plenty more on the way and they’re looking good.


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Yay on the top layer. There's no benefit to not doing one. It really does help keep your surface conditions on point and promote an even pinset if you compact it.
I usually do an inch of coir and verm. Just coir is fine as well.
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Re: What’s going on here [Re: Way]
#28611152 - 01/06/24 02:21 AM (22 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Hey now i think that cute little box is neat :p . * i'm 100% not on buying one tho*
You could totaly reuse that box with some tape over the vents to dial in the air. I'd love to have a clear plastic tub for a "visual" "cool looking" box.
You can mod tubs but they aren't often that clear :P . just saying . I think it would make a good cute desk mushroom lol
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Haha yeah with ya! It’s the reason I bought it got sucked in. Table mushies is a good idea, tushies? hmm maybe not.
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Re: What’s going on here [Re: Way]
#28611159 - 01/06/24 02:29 AM (22 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Ok I’ll give it a go on the next one.
Cheers dude.
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NotEnoughToDoThat said: Thanks for replying mate and for the welcome, loving the community.
Glad to have you! This is a wonderful community.
Awesome info! It seems EZ dial tubs are the way to go. I definitely made some crappy mistakes on this one such as the lumpy bits I did it from a BRF bag and was worried to work it too much into the substrate.
EZ dial tubs are awesome but there are plenty of people on here who don't use them. They're not required to get fruits, they're just user friendly and what I use and recommend.
Mistakes are an important part of life. It doesn't matter that you make them, what matters is that you learn from them, not dwell on them and improve from them.
Once you've busted up grains or chopped/shredded cakes to be mixed into a substrate material you've already bludgeoned and abused the mycelium so at least do it justice and thoroughly mix it into the substrate
The future is spawned jars, agar and EZ dial tubs and probably PF TEK for a bit longer.
The future is however you want to proceed with the hobby! While I do love agar and making my own spawn, this is a hobby, so I advise to do it in whatever way is going to bring you success and enjoyment. Agar is easier than you might think so I encourage you to try it but there's nothing wrong with PF TEK if you're just looking to get a personal stash for the rainy days. There's no 'right' or 'wrong' way to cult...ok, there are a few 'wrong' ways to do it but, the OG TC (Trusted Cultivator) on here, fahtster, doesn't use agar, doesn't use EZ dial tubs, doesn't have a fancy flowhood, doesn't even use a SAB lol. He's developed his own unique methods over the years and is a truly talented cultivator. Whatever flails your sails.
If you don’t mind could I ask your opinion on a casing layer, yay or nay?
There's a difference between a true 'casing layer' and a 'top layer', so my answer is that it depends on what you're doing. Some species absolutely require true 'casings', but assuming you're talking about cubensis, then no, they're usually not required. PE (penis envy) is a finicky cubensis variety that does require a casing layer or a very thick top-layer like Way was describing. Some varieties of cubensis, Gandalf immediately comes to mind, will stall out with even the thinnest top-layer or casing layer.
In general, with cubensis, I would say a casing layer or a thick top-layer isn't necessary. When I spawn my tubs I like to reserve just enough of my substrate to apply a thin top-layer (after it has been thoroughly mixed, compressed and leveled) simply to cover any exposed grains or bits of PF cake that are sitting on the surface of my substrate.
That was a rather long answer to a seemingly easy question. But, as I'm sure you're figuring out there's a lot to learn in this new hobby!
Again thank you very much for helping out, I really appreciate it.
Cheers mate, I'm happy to help!
I’ve got plenty more on the way and they’re looking good.



Those are looking pretty good! I'm excited to see what comes of your next go 'round 
I didn't ask above because it's early and I'm not properly caffeinated yet, but what substrate are you using? I highly recommend CV (coir/verm) because of it's water retention, ease of prep and it doesn't have any nutrients so it's highly resistant to contaminants. The basic recipe is as follows:
600g dry coco coir, 2 quarts (sorry, I'm an imperial bastard lmao) fine/medium grade vermiculite and 1 gallon of water. This should get you pretty close to 'field capacity' (when mixed, if you grab a handful and gently squeeze it there should be a small trickle of water coming out of your hand). You can adjust moisture levels by slowly adding more water if it's too dry or add in vermiculite by the handful if it's too wet.
And again, don't be afraid to mix the substrate!
All the best. Feel free to reach out or ask any further questions you have.
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NotEnoughToDoThat said: Thanks for replying mate and for the welcome, loving the community.
Glad to have you! This is a wonderful community.
Awesome info! It seems EZ dial tubs are the way to go. I definitely made some crappy mistakes on this one such as the lumpy bits I did it from a BRF bag and was worried to work it too much into the substrate.
EZ dial tubs are awesome but there are plenty of people on here who don't use them. They're not required to get fruits, they're just user friendly and what I use and recommend.
Yeah understandable, user friendly is definitely appealing, work can get in the way and I can be forgetful haha.
Mistakes are an important part of life. It doesn't matter that you make them, what matters is that you learn from them, not dwell on them and improve from them.
Once you've busted up grains or chopped/shredded cakes to be mixed into a substrate material you've already bludgeoned and abused the mycelium so at least do it justice and thoroughly mix it into the substrate
That’s good to know, I was worried about hurting them too much.
The future is spawned jars, agar and EZ dial tubs and probably PF TEK for a bit longer.
The future is however you want to proceed with the hobby! While I do love agar and making my own spawn, this is a hobby, so I advise to do it in whatever way is going to bring you success and enjoyment. Agar is easier than you might think so I encourage you to try it but there's nothing wrong with PF TEK if you're just looking to get a personal stash for the rainy days. There's no 'right' or 'wrong' way to cult...ok, there are a few 'wrong' ways to do it but, the OG TC (Trusted Cultivator) on here, fahtster, doesn't use agar, doesn't use EZ dial tubs, doesn't have a fancy flowhood, doesn't even use a SAB lol. He's developed his own unique methods over the years and is a truly talented cultivator. Whatever flails your sails.
Wow not even an SAB, truly inspiring, what a rebel.
If you don’t mind could I ask your opinion on a casing layer, yay or nay?
There's a difference between a true 'casing layer' and a 'top layer', so my answer is that it depends on what you're doing. Some species absolutely require true 'casings', but assuming you're talking about cubensis, then no, they're usually not required. PE (penis envy) is a finicky cubensis variety that does require a casing layer or a very thick top-layer like Way was describing. Some varieties of cubensis, Gandalf immediately comes to mind, will stall out with even the thinnest top-layer or casing layer.
In general, with cubensis, I would say a casing layer or a thick top-layer isn't necessary. When I spawn my tubs I like to reserve just enough of my substrate to apply a thin top-layer (after it has been thoroughly mixed, compressed and leveled) simply to cover any exposed grains or bits of PF cake that are sitting on the surface of my substrate.
I’ll definitely save a little for the top on the next one and have a flat surface.
That was a rather long answer to a seemingly easy question. But, as I'm sure you're figuring out there's a lot to learn in this new hobby!
There’s honestly so much to take in but I’m loving it and it seems like a very supportive community that isn’t adverse to change.
Again thank you very much for helping out, I really appreciate it.
Cheers mate, I'm happy to help!
I’ve got plenty more on the way and they’re looking good.



Those are looking pretty good! I'm excited to see what comes of your next go 'round 
Thanks mate, I’ll definitely update with the results.
I didn't ask above because it's early and I'm not properly caffeinated yet, but what substrate are you using? I highly recommend CV (coir/verm) because of it's water retention, ease of prep and it doesn't have any nutrients so it's highly resistant to contaminants.
Yeah using a coir/verm mix, I did add gypsum but after reading more it seems there’s not much value in doing so.
The basic recipe is as follows:
600g dry coco coir, 2 quarts (sorry, I'm an imperial bastard lmao) fine/medium grade vermiculite and 1 gallon of water. This should get you pretty close to 'field capacity' (when mixed, if you grab a handful and gently squeeze it there should be a small trickle of water coming out of your hand). You can adjust moisture levels by slowly adding more water if it's too dry or add in vermiculite by the handful if it's too wet.
Awesome thank you!
And again, don't be afraid to mix the substrate!
Copy that.
All the best. Feel free to reach out or ask any further questions you have.
Appreciate all your assistance, it’s been a pleasure.
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Hey guys, (sorry Way couldn’t figure out how to reply to two people at the same time). Just popping in an update if you’re interested. I did what you suggested and overall the tub seems to be doing better, most of the matting “shiny areas” have disappeared and I’ve got small white dots appearing on 30-40% of the tub, hoping it’s headed in the right direction.

In other news I’ve upgraded to the EZ dial tubs and set up a new bulk tub, thanks Bigfoot for the substrate recipe not sure if I got it spot on, converting from quarts is a bitch (you know volume vs weight) anyway got heaps finer verm and flattened it nicely with the substrate layer recommended, it seems to be doing a lot better than the “boombox”.


I also set up an EZ dial for the PF cakes. I couldn’t find much on using EZ dials for them (mostly just SGFC stuff) but I’m hoping that it works just as well. I gave the cakes a good initial misting to wet the verm from the roll and it seems to be going well.


Silly open ended question incoming… how am I doing?
At the risk of saying too many times thanks for you help on this guys, could have gotten this far without you.
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Dudes,
Update time! So… the “tushies” didn’t go great. Only got some, but learnt F-ing heaps from it.

Definitely still having FAE issues as they have fuzzy feet but the smallest adjustments result in fuzzy feet or completely drying out. There’s plenty of knots but no action for a while now.
I’d like to ask should I keep going for a second flush and dunk it/flip it or cut my losses?
In other news my BRF cakes are looking great with 12 cakes that have pin sets like this all over. Used the EZ dial and boy what a difference!

Also did another mono with the EZ dial using Bigfoot’s sub recipe and it has started pinning everywhere (cheers Bigfoot) I’ll post a photo when they are bigger, fingers crossed for a beautiful canopy.
Thanks for all the advice guys.
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NotEnoughToDoThat said: Dudes,
Update time! So… the “tushies” didn’t go great. Only got some, but learnt F-ing heaps from it.
Learning is the most important part. It's the first step to self-sustainability, right after collecting your own spores

Definitely still having FAE issues as they have fuzzy feet but the smallest adjustments result in fuzzy feet or completely drying out. There’s plenty of knots but no action for a while now.
'Fuzzy Feet' is by far favored over too dry. Not to mention the fuzzy feet are fully edible, add to your yields and despite popular belief, they are not only caused by a lack of FAE. Some varieties (I'm looking at you, AA+!) just go fuzzy no matter what. It's good to notice them and see if you are able to remedy them or make adjustments, but they are not as big of a deal as people think. Plus, I'll go on record and say that I think they look cool so I kinda like them to each their own. This is your hobby I'm just giving shit advice in it
I’d like to ask should I keep going for a second flush and dunk it/flip it or cut my losses?
Only you can answer this question. Do you want more fruit? Leave it. Do you have a healthier project to put in the tub in its' place? Toss it. If you decide to move forward with it and try for another flush you can just dump a liter or so of water down the side of the tub, let the sub float/soak, drain, mist pretty hard and let 'er do 'er thang. No need to flip the substrate if you want to try and get fruits.
In other news my BRF cakes are looking great with 12 cakes that have pin sets like this all over. Used the EZ dial and boy what a difference!

Ooooo dang that's a pretty picture! Worth no less than 1,000 words I'm a moron...seriously though, nice lookin cake. EZ dial FTW 
Also did another mono with the EZ dial using Bigfoot’s sub recipe and it has started pinning everywhere (cheers Bigfoot) I’ll post a photo when they are bigger, fingers crossed for a beautiful canopy.
Cheers I'll hoist an O'Douls to that! Bet you didn't know Bigfoot was an alcoholic! Or maybe you did, my frequent late night shit-posting should have been a clear indicator of that lol.
Thanks for all the advice guys.
Happy to help! Glad to see you learning, advancing and sticking around this wonderful little community we have Keep us posted!
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NotEnoughToDoThat said: Dudes,
Update time! So… the “tushies” didn’t go great. Only got some, but learnt F-ing heaps from it.
Learning is the most important part. It's the first step to self-sustainability, right after collecting your own spores
Dam straight just did some agar with some Lactarius Deliciosus for this chunky beast (only seemed to grow in this location) so we can distribute through the forest for more chunky monkeys


Definitely still having FAE issues as they have fuzzy feet but the smallest adjustments result in fuzzy feet or completely drying out. There’s plenty of knots but no action for a while now.
'Fuzzy Feet' is by far favored over too dry. Not to mention the fuzzy feet are fully edible, add to your yields and despite popular belief, they are not only caused by a lack of FAE. Some varieties (I'm looking at you, AA+!) just go fuzzy no matter what. It's good to notice them and see if you are able to remedy them or make adjustments, but they are not as big of a deal as people think. Plus, I'll go on record and say that I think they look cool so I kinda like them to each their own. This is your hobby I'm just giving shit advice in it
Ok noted, it’s definitely a cute trait that’s for sure
I’d like to ask should I keep going for a second flush and dunk it/flip it or cut my losses?
Only you can answer this question. Do you want more fruit? Leave it. Do you have a healthier project to put in the tub in its' place? Toss it. If you decide to move forward with it and try for another flush you can just dump a liter or so of water down the side of the tub, let the sub float/soak, drain, mist pretty hard and let 'er do 'er thang. No need to flip the substrate if you want to try and get fruits.
Being my first I’ll give the respect of not dumping her after the first time she puts out, we’ll try and work things out
In other news my BRF cakes are looking great with 12 cakes that have pin sets like this all over. Used the EZ dial and boy what a difference!

Ooooo dang that's a pretty picture! Worth no less than 1,000 words I'm a moron...seriously though, nice lookin cake. EZ dial FTW 
Haha hey I agree I put it in my signature straight of the bat (what a noob haha)
Also did another mono with the EZ dial using Bigfoot’s sub recipe and it has started pinning everywhere (cheers Bigfoot) I’ll post a photo when they are bigger, fingers crossed for a beautiful canopy.
Cheers I'll hoist an O'Douls to that! Bet you didn't know Bigfoot was an alcoholic! Or maybe you did, my frequent late night shit-posting should have been a clear indicator of that lol.
Haha I assumed everyone who grows mushrooms has a drinking solution or is it problem
Thanks for all the advice guys.
Happy to help! Glad to see you learning, advancing and sticking around this wonderful little community we have Keep us posted!
Definitely will mate, keep on keeping on
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Alcohol is technically a solution if you want to be a giant dork about it lol, but it ain't mine! 
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That surface looks great in the updated shot. You may find a ton of pins on the bottom of that tub too, it tends to happen when the surface isn’t on point.
Also fuck cakes, they’re worth doing once or twice to get the experience but unless you’re doing something where you just need small amounts of many cultures they’re inferior in every way to tubs. plus they’re harder to fruit usually.
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Re: What’s going on here [Re: A.k.a]
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Nice I’ll definitely check under when I dunk it.
As for the cakes this will be the first time, but watching the cakes vs the mono I did at the same time I’m leaning mono direction for sure. The mono in the EZ dial is set and forget, the cakes I don’t even know how much to mist them fuckers in an EZ dial if at all, just guessing.
Cheers for chiming in A.k.a
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