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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28623347 - 01/16/24 11:32 AM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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Most light, like that from the sun, is a mixture of wavelengths and, with the exception of excitation and emission phenomena where one color of light is changed into another via the action of a molecule, when light reaches a surface the texture of that surface can reflect specific colors, giving the object the hue that is seen. A similar thing basically happens when light moves through things, they can filter out certain colors and allow others to be transmitted.

Among the forms of light that the sun emits is a type called Infrared.
It's a thing that relates to this heat concept of yours from light interaction.

How can I use language to reach you so that you will consider the scientific evidence and theories that already provide explanation for the things you describe, if you reject valid evidence like literal photographs of the Sun?



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Nillion said:
Most light, like that from the sun, is a mixture of wavelengths and, with the exception of excitation and emission phenomena where one color of light is changed into another via the action of a molecule, when light reaches a surface the texture of that surface can reflect specific colors, giving the object the hue that is seen. A similar thing basically happens when light moves through things, they can filter out certain colors and allow others to be transmitted.

Among the forms of light that the sun emits is a type called Infrared.
It's a thing that relates to this heat concept of yours from light interaction.

How can I use language to reach you so that you will consider the scientific evidence and theories that already provide explanation for the things you describe, if you reject valid evidence like literal photographs of the Sun?




Pro ton?

Pro? Before/near

Ton? Tone


Before/near vibration

Neutron?

Neu neutral/none

Tron matter/vibration

Neutral matter

Electron

After/slow

Tron matter/vibration

Matter at slow vibration


Now then, let’s see here. The most active stars with the highest frequency would be a proton star. They vibrate the most, and have the least mass. As the neutron and electron are responsible for mass.

The neutron star would there for have more mass than a proton star, without fuel. So it wouldn’t burn, it would be inert while still having protons.

The last one to find, would then be the electron. Which would have the most mass, no fuel to burn. And what fuel it does burn, burns slowly and leaks out. The reverse star, the electron star, the black hole.


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623393 - 01/16/24 12:02 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Among the posts I retracted earlier in my frustration in this thread were links to information about what hadrons and leptons are.
Both the proton and neutron are hadrons, the electron is a lepton.

Under certain conditions an electron can be absorbed by a proton which makes the proton a neutron and a neutrino is emitted, this is called electron capture.

All of this is well explained by Quantum Chromodynamics and General Relativity as parts of the standard model of Particle Physics.

Is there a way that I can use my words in this conversation to get you to consider the possibility that you can be mistaken about things Like, is it possible that we can reach a point in this conversation where I can show you a true color image of the sun and you will not claim that it is impossible? I'm only engaging you because I am curious if we can reach a point where you will accept evidence that does not fit what you believe.

The other week I had assumed that serotonin passed the blood brain barrier, this was in relation to the potential activity or lack thereof of the molecule called norpsilocin. It turns out that I was wrong about serotonin and the blood brain barrier, someone presented me with evidence that didn't fit my belief and so I had to reject my belief. I wrote in response that they were right, I was wrong and I stand corrected.

I'm not actually trying to teach you, if anything I am trying to see if I can get you to teach yourself, by opening your mind to the possibility that evidence may exist which indicates your belief is incorrect. I think the best example of that here is the true color image of the sun, which you claimed was impossible.

I am often somewhat intellectually aggressive and this is can be mistaken for animosity and I regret that, it is however part of my nature and is at times difficult for me to avoid. I am making a strong conscious effort here to avoid aggressive tones in this conversation.

Of course if we were discussing a topic like harm reduction, which is often a literal matter of life and death, or if you were repeatedly attacking and insulting me and calling me names, I would not take an overly polite approach like this.


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28623405 - 01/16/24 12:13 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

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Of course if we were discussing a topic like harm reduction, which is often a literal matter of life and death, I would not take an overly polite approach like this.




Quotes too big.

What I’m getting at is the formation of a black hole itself. So the recent James web showed galaxies that have “early” stars that appear as ours. Simple, the yellow star.

Now you can take that information how you will. But if we go on the theory that atomic complexity was built as the universe formed. Then we look at the star colors and ranges as a spectrum of complexity.

Now what causes something to react? Chemistry called the neutron neutral, it’ll burn but you have to give it something. So any burning star is a proton based star, it’s just the idea for a star with fuel.

There are a few scenarios, when a star starts to run out of fuel. Depending on density and mass, so mass could be high and density low. So it’s large and has fuel, or it could be low density and high mass. Larger gravity, less fuel.

This seems to be important, it’s how newer nuclear warheads are designed. To compress fuel, making it more explosive we shall say.

This is a tricky thing, to figure out at what point a stars mass becomes too much for its density compressing it. This can cause a few things to happen, it could burn out rapidly. Eventually becoming a brown dwarf, or just slowly burns out.

Another route can be that the mass compresses the star causing the fuel to become super compressed. And might have a flash point, going supernova. This is one theory of how a black hole is formed. The other is natural decay of a neutron star, slowly compressing mass to an infinite point. The singularity.

New evidence has shown that this can become so intense, that it can rip holes in space. Connecting two black holes, theoretically.

Now, hmmm. I’m confused as to what part I’m missing?

Edit: grammar and might find errors.


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Edited by mushroomboy (01/16/24 12:15 PM)


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623422 - 01/16/24 12:22 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Is there a point at which it will be possible that you will give fair consideration to evidence like true color images of the Sun, like this one?



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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623424 - 01/16/24 12:24 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

It is a yes or no, but I will regard a lack of an answer as the functional equivalent of no.


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28623434 - 01/16/24 12:30 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

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Is there a point at which it will be possible that you will give fair consideration to evidence like true color images of the Sun, like this one?






Dude? I just described the formation of a black hole?

On top of that, the neutron and electron are the same root? Who named them? Why? Does a neutron decay to an electron as a smaller subatomic particle over time? Making a black hole an electron star, only visible with ultraviolet light. The smallest mass, with the largest gravitational pull and highest density. And then the only thing burned in the end would be protons caught in the center. Slowly burning/leaking as hawking radiation.


Unless they eat a star, which then comes out as a burst of energy, of what color? What does a TDE register on the spectrum of light? So what escapes a black hole? What is the spectrum of light that escapes black holes?

Edit: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/satellite/gametext.pdf


You’re confusing the actual color with meaning. The color just represents the compounds burning and not the actual content of the subatomic particles.


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Edited by mushroomboy (01/16/24 12:50 PM)


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623447 - 01/16/24 12:37 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

A standard star gives off photons and leaks radiation. A black hole gives off radiation(edit: ultraviolet) and leaks photons. It’s a reverse star!

Edit: so a standard star is UV and below dominant. You can see it. A black hole is UV and faster, X-rays. And what you get is the reverse star. It sucks in light and spits out X-rays and UV, while leaking light slowly.


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return 4; // Chosen by random dice roll
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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623471 - 01/16/24 12:54 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

So, this was a second attempt to engage with you, despite my instinct telling me that it was not a productive thing to be engaged in and at this point I'm just going to disengage from the conversation.


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28623479 - 01/16/24 01:01 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

You’re confusing the actual color with meaning. The color just represents the compounds burning and not the actual content of the subatomic particles.
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So, this was a second attempt to engage with you, despite my instinct telling me that it was not a productive thing to be engaged in and at this point I'm just going to disengage from the conversation.




What I’m saying is, what does all decay become? You’re stuck on what a star is. A star, not a black hole. And when you break down sub atomic particles, at their core. What are they?

And what is light? You’re still wanting me to say a stars light is white. I know that, and it hits our atmosphere and refracts, making it blue to us. The atmosphere, and it changes again upon the surface it hits. Dumping energy into that, as well as reflecting back as the resonance of that color.

I’m well aware. And so my question, is how do you split light? And you won’t answer that. Which I find interesting.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_(optics)

What makes a diamond do this? When it’s 99.95% one material? Carbon?

What’s the mechanic at play that splits the light? The atom? Right? The atom itself is dividing light in a way you can’t replicate with other materials can you?

Edit2: you could say the light gets decompressed into its finer wavelengths. Right?


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int getRandomNumber()
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return 4; // Chosen by random dice roll
}; // guaranteed to be random. <3 GeoHot


Edited by mushroomboy (01/16/24 01:18 PM)


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