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Moore and Stern Take On Bush
    #2862310 - 07/06/04 07:52 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Moore and Stern Take On Bush

He's likely to become one of the most influential men in American politics -- and he's not even a politician. Michael Moore's scathing anti-Bush film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," has earned more than $60 million at the box office, and Time magazine made Moore this week's cover boy.

According to Time Senior Writer Richard Lacayo, Moore's movie could potentially cost Bush a second term in the White House. "Moore's been able to make this film very quickly and drop it right into the most potent moment in the election season," Lacayo insisted.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" paints the president as incompetent and uncovers Bush family connections to the powerful Bin Laden family. Meanwhile, the Bush camp has called Moore's film a "pack of lies." But in attempt to be fair, Moore set up a "Fahrenheit war room" to deal with the accusations of inaccuracies.

Moore has even employed former Clinton administration officials to deal with the media blitz. But it seems that the director has got a new best friend in his mission to remove Bush from office -- radio icon Howard Stern.

Stern has been on a daily radio rant against the Bush administration, saying he's been unfairly targeted by the FCC for indecency. So could a Stern/Moore team be enough to get the president out?

Lacayo told us it's amazing how much these two could sway the election by working together: "Taken together, Michael Moore and Howard Stern are both at the top of their industries: radio and film. They both have an enormous audience, and together, they'll be punching away until Election Day."

With four months until the election, there's still plenty of time for campaigning and plenty of time for America's newest power couple to make an impact. Meanwhile, Moore is already eying his next target; he will focus on HMOs and the healthcare system in his next documentary.

And for more on Moore's latest film, and the implications it may have come Election Day, tune into Tuesday's edition of "Extra."  :smile: :lol: :loveeyes: :devil: :headbang: :yesnod: :cheers: :goodluck:


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: fft2]
    #2862462 - 07/06/04 08:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Bush better start packing. And I don't mean for one of his vacations either.

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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: fft2]
    #2864131 - 07/07/04 10:21 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Stern has been on a daily radio rant against the Bush administration, saying he's been unfairly targeted by the FCC for indecency. So could a Stern/Moore team be enough to get the president out?




I can't stand Stern and i'm on his side 100%. The radio station I listen to will get fined upwards of $250,00 for a violation. This is pathetic and i've been quite surprised when I talk with my "conservative" relatives and they're all for it while claiming to actually be a "conservative". So much for the less government thing.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2864143 - 07/07/04 10:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand why people can't just change the station if they don't like what someone has to say. Besides you don't censor bad speech, you battle it with good speech.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Worf]
    #2864155 - 07/07/04 10:32 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

bad speach is all relative.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2864308 - 07/07/04 11:33 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

it's stern for crying out loud...

it's not like their showing boobies on
cspan...it's FUCKING STERN!!!!

you know exactly what it's going to be
about, so change the effing channel.

Michael Powell is such a pathetic tool....


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: afoaf]
    #2864420 - 07/07/04 12:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

don't question them, they know best. Boobies are bad!!!


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Worf]
    #2864448 - 07/07/04 12:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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outputrotation said:
I don't understand why people can't just change the station if they don't like what someone has to say.




I dont think an eight year old accidently turning on the radio needs to listen to Howard Stern, move him to XM or something that has the ability to be monitored better.

Just like TV does not allow nudity and all that sex chat on the public airwaves.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864502 - 07/07/04 12:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> I dont think an eight year old accidently turning on the radio needs to listen to Howard Stern

I don't think most eight year olds that accidently turn on the radio would understand what Stern was saying, let along be interested enough to listen.

And while we are on the subject of kids... why should my right to listen to whatever I want on the radio be impeded by people that want to have a safe environment to raise their children? I have not had any children because I enjoy my freedom too much; I don't want to be locked down for the next 18 to 20 years. I have nothing against people that do have children, but why should a parents rights have more weight than my rights? We should be fining the parents for not watching their kids, not the broadcasters for entertaining the masses.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864516 - 07/07/04 12:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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but why should a parents rights have more weight than my rights? We should be fining the parents for not watching their kids, not the broadcasters for entertaining the masses.




*Starts slow clap* CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!

I agree 100%.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864526 - 07/07/04 12:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Why dont they let porn on ABC...

Fine, a 12 year old turns on Stern accidently, what then. And your right to listen to whatever on the radio? Go buy XM.

If the parents want to have their kids listening to Howard Stern thats their decision, but if they have a radio in their room while their parents are sleeping, they can listen to him at night after the parents sleep. Im sure there are plenty of other scenerios as well.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864574 - 07/07/04 12:49 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> Fine, a 12 year old turns on Stern accidently, what then.

Not my problem... I don't have a 12 year old, nor do I own a TV... why should it be anybodies problem, other than the 12 year old and the parents of that 12 year old?

I know that I am being difficult here... but I am trying to make a point. Just because somebody has children, they should not be granted some mystical 'child protection' shield at the expense of the rest of us.

You want kids, fine, but don't go pulling down my porn theatre because you feel it is inappropriate for your kids to have a porn theatre in their neighborhood. Sorry, it isn't their neighborhood... it is our neighborhood, and children shouldn't be cause to grant people extra votes, better privledges, or anything else.

> but if they have a radio in their room while their parents are sleeping ...

Again... why is this my problem? I don't have kids so that I don't have to worry about this sort of stuff... there is no way I would bring a child into this world, could I help it... but because you do have kids, I am expected to suffer? Screw that.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864597 - 07/07/04 12:53 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

They wont let kids into porn theatres, as they wont show porn on public tv, as they shouldnt have sex chat on the public radio. If you want your porn you have to pay to get it, Americans dont have a right to free porn on the airwaves.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864607 - 07/07/04 12:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

In some countries in Europe, they'll show sex on network TV, and the kids there seem to turn out fine. We shouldn't have to go on with a society that pretends sex doesn't exist in the hope of "protecting" our children from it.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864610 - 07/07/04 12:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

They dont show sex on TV there, they show topless women.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864615 - 07/07/04 12:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> Americans dont have a right to free porn on the airwaves

Why not? I can tune into any number of free 'get your dose of God' stations on public airwaves... I find that sort of programming equally offensive as I do porn...

Still boils down to the same arguement... people with children seem to think they should have more rights than people without children...


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864620 - 07/07/04 12:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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They dont show sex on TV there, they show topless women.



Actually, I was in Germany once, flipping through the channels, and they did indeed show sex.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864626 - 07/07/04 12:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> They dont show sex on TV there, they show topless women.

You say topless women, I say sex... I am offended if my children see a bare ankle on TV, it just isn't right...  where do we draw the line, and who decides on the line?  Why are we drawing lines again... oh yeah, people with children think they deserve... :wink:


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864629 - 07/07/04 12:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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In some countries in Europe, they'll show sex on network TV, and the kids there seem to turn out fine.  We shouldn't have to go on with a society that pretends sex doesn't exist in the hope of "protecting" our children from it.



:thumbup:

Half the fun of swearing when young is that you "are not supposed to".

Treat breasts, asses, and swearing like any other body parts and words, and the novelty goes away.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864632 - 07/07/04 01:00 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Whoops, I guess they do, ohh well. Im sure sex on TV would be popular out here with the parents.

I guess I cant argue this sex on TV thing with you Suess, you dont give a shit if kids see porn on tv, I do.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864640 - 07/07/04 01:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It sounds to me as if he thinks parents should be responsible for their own kids, not for everyone.

He's right.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2864654 - 07/07/04 01:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunatly we live in a world where single moms are almost the norm, working multiple jobs and not raising their kids well. The gov. needs to do something to try and not screw these kids up completly. The parents need to be responsable, but that wont hold itself up anymore in our society.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864660 - 07/07/04 01:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Unfortunatly we live in a world where single moms are almost the norm, working multiple jobs and not raising their kids well.



And all this in spite of(or perhaps because of) the fact that we suppress sex in the media far more than our European friends, who all have a much lower teen pregnancy rate.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864665 - 07/07/04 01:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Are they religious people over there? I have no idea, but it could have something to do with it, as many other factors as well.

We hype sex over here to the extreme to the point where its sex without the nudity, that is the problem. We are a sex driven country that is pushed to its limits, without the proper attitude towards it. Its taboo in an odd way


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864669 - 07/07/04 01:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> you dont give a shit if kids see porn on tv, I do.

Wrong... I care a lot. But is the job of the parents to prevent their kids from seeing porn on TV... not the job of the broadcasters not to broadcast porn on TV...

I live by a simple mantra: The government shall not legislate moral values.

If you want to boycott stations that broadcast Stern, etc... or you want to get radios and TVs to have some kind of child-watch rating system built into them... or anything else which doesn't include creating laws to restrict freedom, I will be right there with you. I will not, however, stand by and watch somebody take away my rights in the name of protecting their children.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864672 - 07/07/04 01:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Then you all better find a way to make the parents be more responsable, because it wont happen on its own.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864675 - 07/07/04 01:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Are they religious people over there? I have no idea, but it could have something to do with it, as many other factors as well.



Europe, I believe, is mostly atheist or agnostic now. If only this country could follow suit...

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We hype sex over here to the extreme to the point where its sex without the nudity, that is the problem. We are a sex driven country that is pushed to its limits, without the proper attitude towards it. Its taboo in an odd way



Thanks for making my case for me. It is precisely because it is taboo to us that it drives us so much. Like luvdemshrooms said, when it's out in the open, it looses its mystique.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864677 - 07/07/04 01:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Unfortunatly we live in a world where single moms are almost the norm



So what? Let them keeps their legs clamped together. Don't own a TV if you are incapable of controlling what your kids watch.

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The gov. needs to do something to try and not screw these kids up completly. 



The Feds fuck up just about everything they do. Do you really want fuck ups to be the ones deciding who can watch what? Just look at how they fucked up the Jackson boob shot. Had they said nothing, the stink would have died down in days rather than weeks.

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The parents need to be responsable, but that wont hold itself up anymore in our society. 



Bullshit.

(yup, another one word answer for the fans)  :moon:


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864681 - 07/07/04 01:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Then you all better find a way to make the parents be more responsable, because it wont happen on its own.



If a parent doesn't care enough to prevent their child from seeing porn, so be it. Even as things stand, children often end up finding their dad's Playboy magazines anyway. Sex is not something that should be kept under wraps. The sooner kids learn about it, the better they can be later in life about making informed decisions about it.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2864682 - 07/07/04 01:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> don't own a TV if you are incapable of controlling what your kids watch.

Exactly! Bingo! Hit the nail on the head... If you can't keep from drinking and driving, then give up drinking or give up driving. If you can't keep your kids from watching bad programming on TV, give up the kids to a responsible parent that can prevent them from watching porn on TV or give up the TV.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864693 - 07/07/04 01:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Give up the kids to a responsible parent??? And how do you just do that?

If the parents dont give a shit about the kids, they would be able to watch all the porn on TV they want and get more screwed up. People interactions is what is needed, and if they dont get that at home the easiest thing to do is turn on the TV. If porn is on that is the best thing to watch as a preteen with hormones raging.

We have a bigger due to parenting, and whats to do about it? It wont fix itself, its only going to get worse. The government, sad as it is sometimes, is the only other possible solution. Without it, its a much faster spiral.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #2864696 - 07/07/04 01:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

man, i walk away for a few minutes and this great debate happens. Seuss, I have to say that my point of view, on this topic, is exactly like your own. It's good to see people out there that respect the individuals right to govern his or her own life. Bravo.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864744 - 07/07/04 01:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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If the parents dont give a shit about the kids, they would be able to watch all the porn on TV they want and get more screwed up.



Kids learning about sex!!! How terrible! The government must intervene!!!

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People interactions is what is needed, and if they dont get that at home the easiest thing to do is turn on the TV. If porn is on that is the best thing to watch as a preteen with hormones raging.



Again, I ask: So?

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We have a bigger due to parenting, and whats to do about it? It wont fix itself, its only going to get worse. The government, sad as it is sometimes, is the only other possible solution. Without it, its a much faster spiral.



Ah, the old "father knows best" state. This is authoritarianism at its worst.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864748 - 07/07/04 01:39 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Ah, the old "father knows best" state. This is authoritarianism at its worst.




So if you dont believe 'father knows best', and dont agree with government regulation, you believe in kids raising themselves?


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864757 - 07/07/04 01:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

In this case, I was using "father" as a metaphor for the state. The fact is that the state has no business raising someone else's kids. It should not intervene simply to prevent what some might see as moral depravity. Instill your kids with whatever morals you wish to teach them, but don't try to raise mine for me.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864764 - 07/07/04 01:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Won't say what's already been said, needless to say I agree absolutely with Seuss, Silver, Luvdem, etc. I'd like to add though, if government would get out of the regulation of the what-people-watch/listen-to-business, I'm sure the private sector will come up with devices/products that can limit what is shown on the family tv/radio. This EXACT THING is happening now with regards to the internet...a very large amount of companies are throwing in child protection services with their products in an effort to appeal to the worried and concerned parent. Get the government out and let the free market work.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864768 - 07/07/04 01:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you want your kid to listen to sex chat and porn, you can do it, but you have to go out of your way to do it. Why should a parent have do more work to block their kids from this material then you would have to if you wanted to expose your child to it.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2864772 - 07/07/04 01:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Won't say what's already been said, needless to say I agree absolutely with Seuss, Silver, Luvdem, etc. I'd like to add though, if government would get out of the regulation of the what-people-watch/listen-to-business, I'm sure the private sector will come up with devices/products that can limit what is shown on the family tv/radio. This EXACT THING is happening now with regards to the internet...a very large amount of companies are throwing in child protection services with their products in an effort to appeal to the worried and concerned parent. Get the government out and let the free market work.




They have, its called the V-Chip. Janet Jackson still did what she did at the superbowl, not any late night mature show.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864782 - 07/07/04 01:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want your kid to listen to sex chat and porn, you can do it, but you have to go out of your way to do it. Why should a parent have do more work to block their kids from this material then you would have to if you wanted to expose your child to it.



Because it's not the state's business to raise your children. It's YOURS. You can get a V-chip for your TV, or throw out your TV altogether. Think it's difficult? Tough shit. If you don't like what's being shown on TV, turn it off. You know, I thought conservatives were supposed to be about small government, yet you seem to have the least problem with government intervention out of anyone on this board, including the socialists.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2864785 - 07/07/04 01:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on what issue, I dont like all the hardcore emotional shit thats been rampant lately. I like honesty, which seems to not be around anymore.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2864879 - 07/07/04 02:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Janet Jackson still did what she did at the superbowl, not any late night mature show.



Yes, I'll bet a shot of tittie screwed up countless youngsters.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2865457 - 07/07/04 04:52 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

sex is taboo because americans are puritanical
freakazoids who refuse to accept their own sexuality.

further burying it doesn't solve the problem, it simply
exacerbates it.

you are what is wrong with america today.

it's parent's responsibility to raise their kids, not the
state, if they can't do the job, unfortunately, the kids
pay the price, but, again, it's not the state's responsibility
or fault....it's the parent's.

keep your government out of my fucking livingroom.

move to sweden if you want big brother to coddle you
more.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2865924 - 07/07/04 06:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

hey toolbox, stern is on in the AM so kids cant listen when the rents goto bed. kids are in school while stern is on 6am - 11am. oh and free speech is supposed to encompass all speech even if a prude conservative like u doesnt like it


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2866311 - 07/07/04 08:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Janet Jackson still did what she did at the superbowl, not any late night mature show.

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Yes, I'll bet a shot of tittie screwed up countless youngsters.

Yes, I am still reeling from the implications. Oh, wait, you did say youngsters...

The same week, the 80s mini-series Chaka Zulu was on broadcast TV showing hundreds of firm young African breasts and nipples. Seems only American celebrity breasts are off limits.

Have any of you watched this seasons "Nip/Tuck" TV show? The sex scenes would have gotten an X rating 30 years ago and far surpass any graphic activity ever displayed on broadcast TV.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: fft2]
    #2866613 - 07/07/04 10:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i love stern and this thread michael moore is kool too. all i have to say is i was afraid to listen to stuff like stern when i was a kid b.c i knew i couldnt and if i didnt it wouldnt have affected my life in any way. these republicans pushing this are not republicans republicans used to be for less government control now they are controling your radio dial


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    #2867538 - 07/08/04 03:34 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Fiend said:

if you call yourself a conservative and LDS is in on destroying your arguments, it's probably time to commit suicide.




LDS and I are not the same person, we can disagree...

He is a libertarian (I believe), I am more of a conservative, so we will still have differences.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2867582 - 07/08/04 04:02 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Why dont they let porn on ABC...

Fine, a 12 year old turns on Stern accidently, what then. And your right to listen to whatever on the radio? Go buy XM.

If the parents want to have their kids listening to Howard Stern thats their decision, but if they have a radio in their room while their parents are sleeping, they can listen to him at night after the parents sleep. Im sure there are plenty of other scenerios as well.


Everyone should suffer becuase some asshole parents want there kid never to see what there is in life. Stern has a right to free speach, if everyone wants him off the air everyone should stop listening. I cant do anything except write a letter or vote when i dont like somthing they should do the same.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Turdy]
    #2867632 - 07/08/04 04:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Stern has a right to free speach, if everyone wants him off the air everyone should stop listening. I cant do anything except write a letter or vote when i dont like somthing they should do the same.




They push the limits further and further, somebody has to draw the line or else they go as far as they are allowed to. These are public airwaves, controlled by the FCC, so they have to be within the guidelines. I cant go out with a truck and a loudspeaker throughout the city saying sexually explicit things without consequence.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2867712 - 07/08/04 05:46 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

you clearly dont listen. they dont push it further the show is way tamer these days. and they dont even know what the limits are. the fcc is setup to be used as a political punishment. they dont have set regulations other that, you shouldnt say something that is indecent. why let unselected officials decide what you think is indesecent thats up to you to do. no one in the fcc was elected or has any credentials, michael powel is only the head of it b/c he is colin powels son. it is known in many areas of the media suckh as news and radio, you cannot preach the truth if it strongly goes against what the rich and others in high level of government think, or you will be destroyed. the only way you can challenge America is to be known and respected by stern, but still they attack him using their dogs at the FCC. he has violated laws that dont even exist. this is a witch hunt they hate him because he is a hook nosed jew that looks like a witch. and he left his almost always conservative political view points to come out against bush. the day he did this he was fired from every swing state that clear channel has him in. this is clearly political and has nothing at all to do with decency, if you think it does you are a blind sheep just like most of America.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2867887 - 07/08/04 08:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

FCC has regulations for people to abide by, and they just havent been enforced. It took the broadcasters all these years to finally piss off the FCC enough to make this an issue. The FCC should have been enforcing these regulations a long time ago, so it wouldnt have gotten to where it is today.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2867956 - 07/08/04 09:16 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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And all this in spite of(or perhaps because of) the fact that we suppress sex in the media far more than our European friends, who all have a much lower teen pregnancy rate.





Britain has by far the highest teen prenancy rate in Europe; Labour's response....

Hand out leaflets to primary school children teaching them how to pleasure themselves and many other useful tips...

Reminds me of Brave New World


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2868074 - 07/08/04 10:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Hand out leaflets to primary school children teaching them how to pleasure themselves and many other useful tips...





So would you say being completly open about it works on a better level then trying to limit it?


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2868222 - 07/08/04 11:15 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

you don't read sarcasm well....


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: Redo]
    #2868416 - 07/08/04 12:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Stern has a right to free speach, if everyone wants him off the air everyone should stop listening. I cant do anything except write a letter or vote when i dont like somthing they should do the same.




They push the limits further and further, somebody has to draw the line or else they go as far as they are allowed to. These are public airwaves, controlled by the FCC, so they have to be within the guidelines. I cant go out with a truck and a loudspeaker throughout the city saying sexually explicit things without consequence.



Maybe not with loudspeakers(that could generate a noise complaint, which of course is entirely dependent on zoning restrictions), but I'm sure you could walk through the street saying those things, without facing any consequences other than wierd looks.


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Re: Moore and Stern Take On Bush [Re: silversoul7]
    #2871253 - 07/09/04 01:58 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe not with loudspeakers(that could generate a noise complaint, which of course is entirely dependent on zoning restrictions), but I'm sure you could walk through the street saying those things, without facing any consequences other than wierd looks.




No, kids can be walking around, you cant, cops will give you a warning to stop. If you continue they will take action.


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