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Re: Physics [Re: koraks]
    #28622077 - 01/15/24 11:42 AM (12 days, 10 hours ago)

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Alright then, since you understand it so well, please explain a couple of things to me.

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the color gets absorbed by the pigment.



Define 'the color'. What is it, according to you?

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The reflection is the wave without the color it reflected from.



Define 'the wave'. It sounds like you're talking about it in the singular. Explain how a single wave would have 'a color' substracted from it.

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You then detect this as color. Yup, look it up. It’s the reverse wave form of the pigment you reflect the light on.



Explain how the wave form relates to color. Explain how inverting this supposed waveform would alter color.




It’s the physics of pigment. Light hits a color, that color absorbs the frequency that it isnt. This is what causes things to “warm up” by the sun. The reflected light is that colors wavelength. Which your eyes interpret. They see color by sensing it.

That’s seriously how light works on the eye. The actual physics of it.

Edit: I had it right the first time. Damn it, it reflects the wave of the color absorbing everything else.

https://sciencing.com/colors-reflect-light-8398645.html

That’s a basic idea. What is light?


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622173 - 01/15/24 01:13 PM (12 days, 9 hours ago)

You have not answered any of my questions. You say "the actual physics", but you've not touched upon the most elementary physics of color so far.

So again: what is color in terms of wavelength?

And here's another one for you to research: how do we see yellow? And given how that works, what does that mean for your earlier statements about 'yellow' sunlight?


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Re: Physics [Re: koraks]
    #28622232 - 01/15/24 02:06 PM (12 days, 8 hours ago)

The color, it’s just a representation of a frequency range. Or? An energy state, with certain colors more excited than others.

If you think about that, then frequency is the speed in which the light vibrates. What is spin? So could you equate a certain energy range of light to the spin of an electron?

So then yellow, that’s the base spin around a yellow sun. As it’s effected by the gravity, which could also become a quantum harmonic.

I actually did answer this, you just weren’t really paying attention.

So the neutron is represented as? Green, but wasn’t that blue and yellow? So now what would be yellow and purple? That’s the energy range if you converted light frequency into an energy spectrum.

That’s somewhat what Enstein did, people just didn’t know it. Then the proton starts within the yellow spectrum, that’s the energy state where it’s spin starts well say.

Now what Enstein did was make the electron blue, however he was colorblind. It should have been purple. So then the energy range, frequency, of the color purple is where the electron resides.

So you need to know the color spectrum properly, the right order. The hint to this is the yellow sun. A hydrogen based fusion reaction. Which creates yellow light.

So the neutron is essentially the least to want change, the most indifferent. And changes based on the states of the total system of protons and electrons.

You then get to the proton, this will be less indifferent to change. So it will be willing to change more than a neutron. As it’s also effected by the total system.

Then you get the electron, this is the most unstable. It likes change, and will do this often to retain its natural color or state. It’s spin.

Does that make more sense?


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622579 - 01/15/24 07:21 PM (12 days, 3 hours ago)



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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622591 - 01/15/24 07:30 PM (12 days, 2 hours ago)



This is pretty cool, it is a filter dimmed photograph of the actual color of the sun before it's light enters our atmosphere, taken from Wikipedia and resized to make it smaller for the forum.

This is the true color of the sun in terms of visible light.


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28622617 - 01/15/24 07:50 PM (12 days, 2 hours ago)

Ugh impossible. When we first did atomic physics. We thought the color of the sun was yellow. That’s what they based the hydrogen spin off. A yellow sun, so to make the other math work. They needed to know the color or spectrum of light the electron resided in. They thought the blue spectrum.

Turns out, that was wrong. But what IS the right spectrum? If the electron is purple, you need to look at it in the ultraviolet spectrum. Like a reverse star, a black hole……

Cause it would be the opposite of a normal star, a hydrogen based star.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622625 - 01/15/24 07:54 PM (12 days, 2 hours ago)

Impossible eh?

Good times!


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28622633 - 01/15/24 07:59 PM (12 days, 2 hours ago)

Just as a neutron based star is a brown dwarf. It’s in the astrophysics itself. That’s why it’s funny. The quote Enstein made:

Azul, the blue little dot that circles the sun. To protect the sun, to protect the galaxy.

You don’t really need much else to understand what that meant. He was talking about the sun and the quotes describing what Enstein saw the hydrogen atom “looking” like if spectral energy was described as color. That’s why in chemistry it’s a yellow proton, green neutron, and blue electron. Enstein thought about it as a color. But he had the spectrums of energy wrong. The electron is ultraviolet. And you can use the different stars and there base materials that burn to figure it out.

So a proton based star, hydrogen, is yellow. A neutron star is brown, a brown dwarf. Almost a star and almost a planet. And an electron is like a black hole, that’s what I’m getting at.

So look for the electron atomically in the ultraviolet spectrum.

Edit: and a proton heavy star burns, a neutron heavy star doesn’t, and an electron heavy star becomes a black hole


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622703 - 01/15/24 08:45 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

Is there any chance that you could be mistaken about any of this?


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28622766 - 01/15/24 10:07 PM (12 days, 19 minutes ago)

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Is there any chance that you could be mistaken about any of this?




What do you mean?

Literally stars burn fuel. Right? Fuel is?

So then, we can already extrapolate how a star burns. So they know the general particles present and their percents. Then just figure out the difference of a burning star and a brown dwarf. You’ll probably get more protons than neutrons……. Mass , all that they can extrapolate.

Then what’s a black hole? A star that doesn’t burn. So what’s the difference between a live star and a brown dwarf? Take the opposite of that. You now know what a black hole is…..

Next just check to see if the electron leaks ultraviolet. Hawking radiation. What is it? Photons? What leaks out of electrons? Photons? Weird right?


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622780 - 01/15/24 10:24 PM (12 days, 2 minutes ago)

I mean, is there any chance, in your mind, that you could be mistaken about any of this?

Do you believe it might be possible for any of the details you are sharing to be incorrect?


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28622811 - 01/15/24 11:00 PM (11 days, 23 hours ago)

Hawking
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I mean, is there any chance, in your mind, that you could be mistaken about any of this?

Do you believe it might be possible for any of the details you are sharing to be incorrect?




So the electron gets excited and emits photons….. what is hawking radiation?

Like no. That’s why I posted the Enstein quote as I’ve never taken physics. Ever, I just added a bit.

Azul the little blue man, the little blue dot that circles the sun. The little blue man to protect the earth, to protect the sun, to protect the galaxy. For if we blew up mars, we could blow up the earth. If we blew up the earth, we lose Father Time. If we lose Father Time, we lose all hope. Without hope there would be no bomb. For without the bomb there would be no explosion. Without the explosion there would be no space and all time would be lost in the galaxy.

And I realized what he was trying to say. And all you have to do is use the technology we have today.

Enstein said the atomic bomb wasn’t right. And I’ve always had an issue with the electron. It doesn’t make sense the way you describe it. And this, this makes much more sense. Especially if you take into account what hawking radiation is.

So yah, I’m basically saying that you got the wrong spin on the electron. Use ultraviolet to find it. It’s there, trust me.

Edit:

Time is the illusion the self tells the mind as it passes through space

Space is the illusion the mind tells the self to exist

Space time is the illusion the self tells the mind as a story

Story is the illusion the mind tells the self as it passes through space and time


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622920 - 01/16/24 04:21 AM (11 days, 18 hours ago)

Your story about blue, green and yellow shows you're clutching at straws. It's interesting subject matter, but you'll have to investigate further. Moreover, you'll have to get rid of the apparent feeling of "I've got this" that currently stops you from learning.

I didn't ask because I wanted you to explain it to me. I asked because I hoped that you'd be stimulated to do some very basic reading on the subject. Whether you want to do this, is up to you. Good luck and have fun with physics. Or metaphysics, if you prefer. Don't ever mix them up, again.


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Re: Physics [Re: koraks]
    #28622924 - 01/16/24 04:33 AM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

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Your story about blue, green and yellow shows you're clutching at straws. It's interesting subject matter, but you'll have to investigate further. Moreover, you'll have to get rid of the apparent feeling of "I've got this" that currently stops you from learning.

I didn't ask because I wanted you to explain it to me. I asked because I hoped that you'd be stimulated to do some very basic reading on the subject. Whether you want to do this, is up to you. Good luck and have fun with physics. Or metaphysics, if you prefer. Don't ever mix them up, again.




No, it’s seriously how fusion works. When you burn fuel, you’re actually burning something? So you figure this out by going from hotter stars to cooler stars. The color of a star is the representation of the energy and amount of fuel.

https://www.space.com/22437-main-sequence-star.html

They primarily burn? And the difference between a star and a theoretical brown dwarf? Is? It’s considered neutron star.

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/objects/neutron_stars1.html

So a star with fuel is a proton based star. And the amount of fuel is the color. So find the weakest star….

Then you already know a neutron star, they can find them.

The only fucking thing left, is an electron based star. Which is what we never had tech to find. A black hole. Aka the reverse star


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622928 - 01/16/24 04:42 AM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

When light hits something like a pigment, color…. Or a metal…. It gets warm right? But it reflects a color right? The heat is a representation of the atom being? Excited? With the most excited thing the? Electron? When then reflects, leaks the spectrum of light that it is……


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622936 - 01/16/24 04:55 AM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

Oh, and I’m coming from Robert Penrose and the perspective that consciousness isn’t what it appears. So then, what is light? As we assume that something hits the eye? Right? But we know rods and cones don’t detect photons.

So, what is light? Like, hawking radiation? Electrons emit light when excited, we already know this. It’s in physics.

So I’m saying that is a total system harmonic. So light is absorbed by the system as a hole, we’ll say for now. Then it’s somehow internalized and reflected back at another wavelength.

That’s an interesting process if you think about it. So light what, messages the atom? Then the atom produces new light?

So how exactly does light reflect off a surface? That’s a good question isn’t it? If it’s a particle then it bounces. If it’s a wave, does it reflect? Still bounces, tho how does it dump its energy as heat then? Like?

So there has to be a mechanic you can use, that allows for atoms to absorb the energy of light and output that energy. And the proper angle of physics.

I did a lot of programming. So look at 3D modeling of light, especially ocular occlusion and modeling. It’s very difficult alone to create a model to reflect light. Then we have to layer a thermal dynamic system into light as well? Where is this data going? How are you going to explain that?


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622945 - 01/16/24 05:25 AM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

Look son, you sound incredibly confused, but the irony is that everyone recognizes it except yourself. I can't blame you for it, nor do I want to give you a hard time. Enjoy your view on physics; if if gives you pleasure giving your personal spin to theory, then so be it.

As to the color thing:

Light behaves as a particle as well as a wave. The color of light is its wavelength, and wavelength is the inverse of frequency. A photon has only one wavelength, and this doesn't change. So if light (photons) with a wavelength of around 550nm (= green) hit a red target, they get absorbed and none reflect. If the target is green, they bounce back. Yes, absorbed photons result in their energy being absorbed by the target as well.

Yellow is a special case because you need to distinguish between pure wavelength yellow (around 575nm or thereabouts) and human-perceived yellow. We perceive single-wavelength 575nm light as yellow, but this is actually pretty rare, and the vast amount of yellow we see is the combination of red and green. The reason for this is that the human eye has no receptors that are specific for yellow. Our brain deduces yellow from the simultaneous stimulus of our red and green receptors. Coincidentally, this is also why we perceive yellow as a bright color, because it creates an effectively bigger (because, combined/superimposed) signal compared to the 'single' colors of blue and green. Note that our blue and green spectral sensitivity is pretty closely spaced on the spectrum; look at the peak sensitivities of our red and green cones and note how little distance there is between them. From this, and the much bigger distance to the retina's blue sensitivity peak you can deduce that our sensitivity to blue/green hues ('cyans') is pretty poor. In an absolute sense, our green sensitivity is pretty big, which is likely due to evolutionary reasons: a lot of our natural environment and plant-based food is green, so it's advantageous that we can differentiate quite well in that part of the spectrum.

Sunlight we can sometimes/often perceive as yellow, but this is a bit of a ruse. It really isn't. The sun effectively behaves as a near-perfect black-body radiator and as such, its emitted wavelengths span the entire spectrum. In terms of visible light, it's white - but how we perceive it, depends on the human eye (see above) and also on atmospheric effect. Note that we see only a tiny bit of the sun's emitted electromagnetic radiation - the vast majority of the emitted energy we don't see because it's either too short-waved (UV and even higher frequencies stretching into xray territory) or too long-waved (> 700nm; i.e. infrared).

The relationship between the perceived color of a star (compensated for atmospheric effects and other effects such as red-shift) is directly related to its temperature, and this in turn relates to its size and stage in its life cycle. In fact, temperature is the main determinant, not so much the 'type of fuel', i.e. its composition. The main energy conversion process in a live star is by definition nuclear fusion, which always involves just the fusion of hydrogen into helium. In bigger stars, the alpha process also occurs, which is responsible for the fusion of helium into the other (heavier) atoms. It's evident that this only happens in the bigger, more massive stars since the fusion of these larger elements requires extreme temperatures and pressures not found in smaller and older (less active) stars.

The composition of a star does indeed contribute to its perceived color; after all, the elements present in a (very hot) black-body radiator will add light emission in accordance with their specific spectral lines - some well-known ones are the orange (and green) line of sodium (known from the old-fashioned LPS street lights, and also easy to demonstrate by holding a sample of sodium chloride in a blue or colorless flame, which will turn yellow) or the various lines of helium. However, the main determinant of a start's color is still its temperature, in accordance with the theory on blackbody radiators (which date back to the 19th and early 20th century, so not particularly 'hot' - but still very solid).

So all the mumbo-jumbo like this:
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So the neutron is represented as? Green, but wasn’t that blue and yellow? So now what would be yellow and purple? That’s the energy range if you converted light frequency into an energy spectrum.



..is all confused ramblings that make no sense whatsoever. It's incoherent, meaningless and any attempt to make meaning out of it results in falsehoods and further inconsistencies.

If you find this stuff interesting, there are plenty of books to pick up. In the short term, you'll have your hands full on highschool textbooks on physics and the literature used in the first semester of university physics. If you're still hungry for knowledge at that point, and actually understand what you've learned so far, proceed from there. As I said, it's interesting stuff - but I admit that I only dig into it to the extent that I need to understand it in order to do the projects I work on. Which coincidentally revolve a lot around light, color, spectral sensitivities etc.

I'm going to leave you with this to do your own research/studies. Good luck with it all; I hope you find your way in this subject matter, or that you'll at least learn to differentiate between accepted physics and your idiosyncratic construct of arcane metaphysics along the lines of what you've posted so far. It'll help others to more easily figure out what's up if you're clear on what you know and what you make up.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28622991 - 01/16/24 06:31 AM (11 days, 15 hours ago)

G-type star on the main sequence is called a yellow dwarf as a misnomer, that's common knowledge in astrophysics.

Our star's light is white, but has several spectral component that we examine for being able to forecast space weather.

You can find videos, images and more of this at the Solar Domain Observatory:
https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/
Note on that page it list Angstrom units rather than Nanometers, one Å is 0.1 nm.

I am into astrophysics too, but it is a broad topic that has a lot to it and by no means do I know or understand all of it, but I enjoy learning about it and have spent considerable time studying it. As far as that goes, I still have a lot to learn.

Here is more information about the type of star called a Yellow Dwarf incorrectly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star

Our Sun is one of these stars and the true color image of the Sun that I posted came from this page and no, it is not impossible, it is a literal image of the Sun, just dimmed so that it isn't blindingly bright.


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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28623020 - 01/16/24 07:01 AM (11 days, 15 hours ago)

Yah it’s metaphors. I know, and I’m telling you buried in some theology. Like Hinduism and the stories bRAma taught sheva….. there is another story.

How do I know this? Because, it’s about me and my spirituality….. and I’m telling you, that the electron represents the ultraviolet spectrum.

I’m well aware how light works. The Enstein quote is also code, passed down as Enstein said to keep it secret. And only when he returned would its meaning be revealed.

I came to the community that the quote was meant for. I delivered the message it was meant to say. Enstein had the wrong spin.

I’ve even explained where to look and how. Like, the whole concept of how the energies were thought about.

And on top of that, Enstein wasn’t good at math. He stood on the shoulders of giants. The main thing he had was relativity. And it’s becoming very obvious that your figuring out consciousness isn’t all that it appears.


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28623023 - 01/16/24 07:07 AM (11 days, 15 hours ago)

Reverse star, how do I know that? That hawking radiation is the only thing to escape the event horizon of a black hole. And you can only see it in the ultraviolet spectrum.

That’s why it’s a reverse star, it absorbs light.

And consciousness, the actuation speed of thought is a very interesting physics phenomenon. As you can’t actually create a plausible explanation for how neurology acts and advanced thought patterns. Is like the brain is too simple for the complexity of consciousness.


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