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Towns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind] 1
#28622480 - 01/15/24 06:08 PM (12 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Leftfield420 said: we had 30+ days of 100-110°F last summer and I couldn't carry enough water to my plants, plus drought... couldn't get to my plants for 5-6 days sometimes
Damn, I had no idea!
Well, we don't even get remotely that hot!
Yeah, cannabis can not survive without water in conditions like that. I think we only saw about two weeks worth of 90's.
We just have drenching humidity here, with average temps in the mid to high 80's in the summer.
Just a lil anecdote from what I've seen with the plant....
About 6 years ago I had 2 plants that sprouted from some seeds I pulled out of some SFV-OG I grew the year prior...I forget if the plants turned out to be males or why I didn't want to grow them out all the way, but I stopped watering them one day just to see how long they could go with out water since I wasn't planning on growing them out/flowering em.
The 2 plants were in a 25 gallon fabric pot together, the soil/substrate was "roots organics original". The plants received direct sun almost the entire day from sunrise to sunset. Daily temps were around 95F to 105F with humidity around 15% to 25%.
Even after a full week of no water the plants were still looking healthy. IIRC around day 9 they started to droop a bit and showing signs of needing water. I think I pulled em' around 10 or 11 days after no water, they were looking sad/droopy but still could have perked back up with a watering.
No doubt the strain/genetics play a big role in it all, some strains/genes being more tolerant to heat/drought than others...but in general it seems like the plant is pretty tolerant to drought/heat IME. I've never had a plant become stressed from heat, or at least it never visually displayed any signs of such, even with a week+ of 100F to 110F temps. The summers where I used to live/grow were basically 90f to 100f from mid April to late September, some weeks/heat waves around 105f to 110f, a few days up around 112ish.
From what I've seen growing outdoors, the plant can really take a lot of heat & low humidity....tho of course the plants are much happier basking in 80 degree temps versus 100+, they can take the heat with little to no issue.
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Yeah, that's awesome!
I have never experienced any heat stress from any of my outdoors plants, and I'm telling you, some went for nearly two month with no rain.
Cannabis is the most drought tolerant plant that I have ever grown.
All this talk gets me itching to get going, but I still have along time to go 
I can't wait to snap some pics once the time comes, but until then, I'll just gaze upon all of you all's lovely plants
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Towns77]
#28622516 - 01/15/24 06:39 PM (12 days, 15 hours ago) |
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I personally won't grow outdoors again unless the plant(s) is/are in my yard and I'm able to get as much water to them as needed... the lemongrass plants I put out didn't last 2 months... much easier for me to grow indoors
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Towns77
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Leftfield420 said: I personally won't grow outdoors again unless the plant(s) is/are in my yard and I'm able to get as much water to them as needed... the lemongrass plants I put out didn't last 2 months... much easier for me to grow indoors
I'd sure rather grow indoors, but I just can't
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Not being able to get water out, that's that attitude problem.
It's a situation, one with a solution.
You get 30+ days of really hot weather, great. Putting up a shade cloth could help a little bit there.
What are the rain days like? Can you collect that rain into an underground water storage tank? Can you fill the soil with water retaining stuff like clay or those agriculture polymer gels?
It's funny that Openmind mentioned his little experiment, cause that experiment overlaps with another one someone else did; some scientist decided it was a great idea to give his plants a good drought to see what it would do, in a proper scientific setting. Turns out the 10-11 day mark, right when the leaves start drooping, is kind of a universal mark, with only little variations between strains, to how long a plant will go without water after normal proper watering. The thing most interesting about it, is what happened in the buds. The drought (but only after 10/11 days) caused the plants to put out more terpenes. And what's even more interesting, the time when the drought was applied determined which terps' production was enhanced.
So by applying droughts willfully you could produce some great tasting cheeba.
Not saying that kind of weather is easy to grow in, it's hard as fuck, and it's a lot more likely to fail.
What can be done about the time you're growing in? Can you move it up or down?
I'm not living in the perfect spot for outdoors either, but that don't mean we can't try!
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Towns77
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what a positive guy you are young Lizard 
I love it!
Damn spring, hurry up and get here!!!
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Towns77] 1
#28622917 - 01/16/24 04:17 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Yeah and now to bring you the negative, last year we had a heat dome over Europe for much of summer and it caused half of my plants both indoors and out to herm out like crazy, and it was the same across all seed sources.
So yes, I am positive, but I'm also realistic in that it won't be easy for Leftfield to grow outdoors where he's at.
You just have to look at things this way: People are setting up experiments at the poles to grow tomatoes and lettuce. If they can grow tomatoes there, we can probably grow weed in less extreme circumstances. Will it provide us enough? That's for us to find out through our hard efforts.
We're lucky enough to be in a timespan where temps are relatively enormously positive for us. Think about the colder periods of ice ages instead of the current interglacial period, and realize weed has grown on the planet throughout that period non-stop. It wouldn't have grown everywhere or anywhere. It would have had it's niche, which was probably far from perfect, but good enough to make a living and pass on that life.
Passing on that life might not be the main goal of what we're trying to achieve, but as long as life can be passed on, strains that fare better may be achieved through selection.
So in closing, I would like to offer a different thought experiment to Leftfield.
What if your environment proved to be THE breeding grounds for the strains of a perrilous future?
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like I said... it was way too much work to haul water to them, if I had a water source on the property I could tap into it might be different... but we've been below average rainfall for at least 2yrs now, so collecting rainwater isn't really an option for me.. unless we actually get a good amount of rain...
it may be an attitude problem for some but don't make sense to me... I can grow indoors with no issues, my water is right there and I can control growing conditions... maybe if I didn't work I could lug 50+ gallons of water into plants every few days/week, but after work who really wants to go haul 400lbs of water through the woods(not me for sure)
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PreparationH said: So I had issues with FF soil, I used the Ocean Forrest and was successful with 5 plants, then 2 others had massive issues which may or may not have been soil or I somehow overdid fertilizer I am not totally sure.
I swapped to a new soil though and did the same stuff I had been doing and it worked fine so my thought is it's likely the fox farm ocean Forrest soil I used
I fucking hate Fox Farms soil. There is no control whatsoever, and it's mostly sticks and rocks. I screened a few bags of Happy Frog and ended up with several gallons of rocks and sticks per bag, not to mention PH ranging wildly from bag to bag 4.2-7. Ocean forest is even more of a crap shoot than HF. If I were going to recommend a widely (though probably regionally) available brand it would be EB Stone. Their Edna's best potting soil is comparable to HF in nutes and is higher quality. Their 420 Mix is amazing, but you have to let it age in bag. It often gets shipped before it has had a chance to compost well. The best bagged soil I have ever used was the 420 mix after leaving it in bag on my back porch for a year. Was like fine chocolate cake, the plants EXPLODED.
As with any bagged mix, ALWAYS ph your soil before planting, and give it time to sit if you amend (min six weeks).
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#28623312 - 01/16/24 11:02 AM (11 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Oh, and I contacted FF about the PH and stick/rock issue. Even sent them pictures. They blew me off.
Fuck em, don't give FF your business. They got too big for their britches.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28623314 - 01/16/24 11:06 AM (11 days, 23 hours ago) |
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i ended up ordering a new one but how do you clean the carbon filters sleeve? mine was almost black and i soaked it in hot soapy water scrubbed it too death and still looked terrible.
ive used ocean floor grew decent pot. maybe i got a good batch but i didnt notice any sticks or rocks
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Leftfield420 said: like I said... it was way too much work to haul water to them, if I had a water source on the property I could tap into it might be different... but we've been below average rainfall for at least 2yrs now, so collecting rainwater isn't really an option for me.. unless we actually get a good amount of rain...
it may be an attitude problem for some but don't make sense to me... I can grow indoors with no issues, my water is right there and I can control growing conditions... maybe if I didn't work I could lug 50+ gallons of water into plants every few days/week, but after work who really wants to go haul 400lbs of water through the woods(not me for sure)
They sell these things called “Water hoses” they hook up to your house or your neighbors house(lol), and you just spray away! Don’t gotta carry the water… I love outdoor nuggets. They get super terpy sometimes. I like indoor a lot also….
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mushboy]
#28623328 - 01/16/24 11:14 AM (11 days, 22 hours ago) |
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mushboy said: i ended up ordering a new one but how do you clean the carbon filters sleeve? mine was almost black and i soaked it in hot soapy water scrubbed it too death and still looked terrible.
ive used ocean floor grew decent pot. maybe i got a good batch but i didnt notice any sticks or rocks
They sell them. You just buy a new one. Should be 20 bucks…
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil]
#28623329 - 01/16/24 11:15 AM (11 days, 22 hours ago) |
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yah i did only 10bux from lord bezos.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mushboy] 7
#28623452 - 01/16/24 12:42 PM (11 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Day 49!

Tomorrow I'm giving them some more compost tea
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LizardWizard said: It's funny that Openmind mentioned his little experiment, cause that experiment overlaps with another one someone else did; some scientist decided it was a great idea to give his plants a good drought to see what it would do, in a proper scientific setting. Turns out the 10-11 day mark, right when the leaves start drooping, is kind of a universal mark, with only little variations between strains, to how long a plant will go without water after normal proper watering. The thing most interesting about it, is what happened in the buds. The drought (but only after 10/11 days) caused the plants to put out more terpenes. And what's even more interesting, the time when the drought was applied determined which terps' production was enhanced.
So by applying droughts willfully you could produce some great tasting cheeba.
Not saying that kind of weather is easy to grow in, it's hard as fuck, and it's a lot more likely to fail.
What can be done about the time you're growing in? Can you move it up or down?
I'm not living in the perfect spot for outdoors either, but that don't mean we can't try!
Yup!
I've heard that about plant pumping out more terps/aromatics/resin when experiencing some drought, or when grown relatively "dry".
"Dry farming" is actually a thing that some cannabis-growers do around my area. Where they don't water their plants all summer long. It takes a certain micro-climate along with certain soil profile/composition, but it can be done in some areas. Those farmers also note an increase in the richness of terps/resin/cannabinoids when dry-farming.
https://www.dryfarmedcannabis.com/
https://hightimes.com/culture/dry-farming-in-humboldt/
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind] 2
#28624387 - 01/17/24 09:46 AM (11 days, 24 minutes ago) |
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Besides gnats. These things got into buds of my outdoor grow. Anyone know what it is? Two years ago I had almost no insect issues... They were annoying this last year.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ps.NoName]
#28624494 - 01/17/24 11:55 AM (10 days, 22 hours ago) |
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That little black beetle bug looks like the things that got into my rye grain and ate it up. I think they might be called weevils or something? whole lotta different types of them for sure.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ps.NoName]
#28624496 - 01/17/24 11:56 AM (10 days, 22 hours ago) |
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they get into all sorts of food items. one way to get rid of them is to freeze the thing they have gotten into for more than 48 hours as I think that kills the eggs too.
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Towns77
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Not weevils, probably flea beetles.
I smoked a lot of those nasty things in my buds last season
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