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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick]
    #28622279 - 01/15/24 02:37 PM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

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When I think about the 2024 election, the top three contenders are Biden, Trump and Nikki Haley. These crazy ass right wingers don't even realize that they are their own undoing. I think Biden can beat Trump again simply because there's people like me out there with a brain who realize that Trump is far worse than Biden. Personally, I think Biden is a good guy and he's had some effective policies. I'm still not wild about the guy. But if they could manage to flush Trump down the toilet and it was a Biden/Haley election, I think she could easily beat Biden. They'd have a republican in the White House. Of all these republican contenders, Niki Haley seems like she has at least a lick of sense. I'd also vote for Biden over DeSantis. That guy is worse than Trump.

At the end of the day, none of these people work for us. The American people. A couple of them, Trump and DeSantis, are wanting to drag us into an autocracy. I do think that we are on the verge of collapse though. If we're still a democracy at the end of this decade, I'll be shocked.





Biden is doing absolutely awful in the polls. He has significantly less support than he did in 2020. If the election were to be held today, and it was held fairly, he would lose.

That makes sense because now that people know what a Biden presidency actually is like (and how shitty it is) he is hemorrhaging support. In 2020 a lot of people just voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump without having any idea what they were signing up for.

He's losing support because of what they did to the economy, the absolute hilarious failure that is Neocon foreign policy, unchecked migration which negatively effects everyone. On top of that Biden is alienating his own base with his unconditional support for genocidal Israel. Oh the irony.

I can't fathom why you think Nikki Haley is the best repub candidate. She is one of the worst. She made a fortune worth tens of millions thanks to her ties to Raytheon and it is abundantly clear she is more of the same. Like a female GW Bush. She's just another brainless, sellout, Neocon puppet politician who can't wait to enrich herself and the military industrial complex by starting some new war somewhere the moment she takes office.

Get ready for the Trump presidency round 2. Even more hilarious and entertaining than the last!




I actually don’t disagree with anything you said. Nikki Haley is a bat shit crazy crackpot. Corrupt too. And she’s the best the GOP can muster. It’s sad. Biden is the best the Dems can offer up? Ugh. Barf. I don’t particularly like Biden. Especially his support for Israel’s murderous rampage. I get that they were pissed off after the horrible events on October 7th. But their response has been unmeasured in any way.

I spent over 20 years in the military. If there’s anything I have come to realize in that time, is that if you’re going to go to war with somebody, you’d better have the stomach for a scorched earth policy. Kill them all. When you don’t, the young survivors rise up to be terrorists themselves. We called it insurgent math. You kill one, make four more. So, if you don’t have the stomach to mercilessly kill women, children and innocents, you probably shouldn’t do it. The world is a ducked up place for sure.

Watching my country go down the tubes has been very hard for me. We don’t have one political candidate that isn’t bought and paid for by somebody. I just figure we can hang on to what little freedoms we have left, for a little longer without Trump in office.

A Trump presidency 2.0 would indeed be hilarious if it weren’t also so embarrassing and horrible for us, the American people. As bad as Biden is, Trump will never have my vote. He’s evil. It’s a shame that it’s looking like we will once again have the same awful choice we had in 2020.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28622280 - 01/15/24 02:37 PM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

The economy is basically booming via various common measures. My investments have done just fine. They were good under Obama, Trump, and Biden. Sure there have been numerous twists and turns, but I am not retiring anytime soon.

As usual though, you are your worst enemy. You hate Nikki Haley because she "made a fortune" but love Trump when he inherited millions. What a stupid take.

You are right though, if Trump gets elected, it's going to be entertaining. He's too fucking retarded to last another four years. Just watch his interviews as of late. Biden might be old and a bit slow, but Trump was always too dumb to be in the spotlight like he is. He will get impeached two more times without a doubt.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #28622283 - 01/15/24 02:39 PM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

It’s not happening.
Drumpf isn’t even on the ballot in a couple states.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
    #28622447 - 01/15/24 05:46 PM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

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The economy is basically booming via various common measures. My investments have done just fine. They were good under Obama, Trump, and Biden. Sure there have been numerous twists and turns, but I am not retiring anytime soon.

As usual though, you are your worst enemy. You hate Nikki Haley because she "made a fortune" but love Trump when he inherited millions. What a stupid take.

You are right though, if Trump gets elected, it's going to be entertaining. He's too fucking retarded to last another four years. Just watch his interviews as of late. Biden might be old and a bit slow, but Trump was always too dumb to be in the spotlight like he is. He will get impeached two more times without a doubt.




Very true. My first 401K got going under Clinton. It has done good ever since despite twists and turns as you say. It has always gone up overall. The economy to me, is more of a measure of how the super rich are doing. Sure, employment might be low but what are people getting paid vs what does daily life cost for the average American? Inflation is back down but the prices are still up. I got my usual raise this year while prices on daily life rose rapidly for a while and they remain high. Only the quick rise has stabilized. I am fortunate. My wife and I are older, educated, have good jobs and make a very comfortable living. Many were already living paycheck to paycheck, are struggling harder due to last years inflation. They're employed still but did they get a raise to match inflation? Fuck no they didn't. But hey, the economy is doing good as long as the fat cats are making lots of money.

Trump is a straight up criminal. He is blatantly corrupt. He is not a self made man. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he got his start thanks to his dad who loaned him millions. Had somebody loaned me millions and helped me avoid the draft, I'd be doing very well for myself either. He has not once in his life ever lived like the common man. He doesn't give two shits about the military, veterans, women, or anybody but himself. He is a blatant sociopath. He's manipulated the system his whole life. It's easy when you're born rich I suppose. I pay more taxes than that asshole does. It's a sham. I drive around the midwest and see rathole houses with Trump flags flying out front. Trump doesn't give a shit about those people. They're merely stepping stones for him. Easily manipulated into believing that he understands what their life is like or that he has their best interests in mind.

Despite all this, his nut swingers will come out and defend all of the horrible shit he does and point out that somebody else made millions in their business dealings. I admittedly don't know much about Nikki Haley. I hear her talk and despite some of the stupid shit she has said or that she sometimes says the same regurgitated GOP bull shit that keeps her in the running, I feel like deep down in there somewhere, there might be a little empathy for the common American and maybe a shred of common sense.

When I hear Trump talk, I hear a blow hard, full of shit, sociopathic egomaniac who doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself. He's vile. He doesn't have any real morals at all. I can see right through his lies and bull shit. I don't understand why so many people are taken in by him and actually believe the lies he tells on the regular. He's an excellent con man. I'll give him that.

For me, if it's Trump and Biden on the ticket, I'm not even interested in hearing what those assholes have to say. I'll be voting for Biden because he's not as big of a piece of shit human as Trump is. Same with a Biden and DeSantis election. DeSantis is a wannabe authoritarian piece of trash as well. I'll just do something else and go vote for Biden when the time comes. But if it's a Biden/Haley election, I'll pay attention and see what she has to say. I'll go with my gut on who is the better human to represent our country. Well... I'll go with my gut on who I think will do the least damage. I'll likely still vote for Biden but I'll give Haley a listen for sure.

Biden doesn't use a bunch of divisive language. I get that many don't like his policies even though some have been effective despite what the right wing, Trump nut swingers are saying on Fox. Haley doesn't use a lot of divisive language either. At least from what I've seen of her. I am so sick of all that shit in America. Dividing us up. I feel like if Haley were to be president, the right wingers could have a few years to cool down with a Republican in the White House and maybe she wouldn't try to rip us apart further in the meantime. Not saying that she's the answer. I'm interested in the long game for America. Not what's best for ME, right now. For my children and grandchildren. I worry what kind of future they will have.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: HazMatt]
    #28622496 - 01/15/24 06:17 PM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

He pushes their agenda, so they don't care how putrid he is. The right wing knows how to come together for a broader purpose as opposed to break themselves apart over minor differences. My cousin is in his late fifties and worked in NYC his whole life for a union. Trump owes the union he works for millions. He says unions run away from his projects because of this. He loves the guy.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28622615 - 01/15/24 07:48 PM (12 days, 16 hours ago)

Trump won the IOWA caucus MAGA


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: budmanman]
    #28622626 - 01/15/24 07:54 PM (12 days, 16 hours ago)

Obviously he was going to win. They have nobody to compete. He's Biden, just more retarded.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28622648 - 01/15/24 08:11 PM (12 days, 16 hours ago)

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He pushes their agenda, so they don't care how putrid he is. The right wing knows how to come together for a broader purpose as opposed to break themselves apart over minor differences. My cousin is in his late fifties and worked in NYC his whole life for a union. Trump owes the union he works for millions. He says unions run away from his projects because of this. He loves the guy.





Trump fucked him and his coworkers, yet he still loves Trump?

Did I read this right?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28622724 - 01/15/24 09:03 PM (12 days, 15 hours ago)

Yes you read that right. People are fucking idiots.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28622755 - 01/15/24 09:44 PM (12 days, 14 hours ago)

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It’s not happening.
Drumpf isn’t even on the ballot in a couple states.




*yet

I think the SC is gonna take care of that. IMO, the best thing for the country is him to loose by way of votes. It will be interesting because the Dems have decided to roll the dice, if there was a time to showcase any new/ competent blood this would be the once in a lifetime chance, with a shoo-in for victory. It still could happen, as the October suprise could be some sort of geriatric nosedive.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28622803 - 01/15/24 10:53 PM (12 days, 13 hours ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: XUL]
    #28622984 - 01/16/24 06:21 AM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

I think the Iowa caucus results indicate that enough people still don't want to support Trump that he will be unable to beat Joe Biden in a match up.

I'm not much of a fan of Biden but will vote for him over Trump without hesitation. Trump is unqualified to lead and we have seen this repeatedly in how he behaves, speaks and affects people.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28622987 - 01/16/24 06:26 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

In 2016 tes Cruz beat trump in the Iowa caucus. It was something like 27% Cruz, 24% trump. This time around trump has some 50% of the vote. That doesn't sound good to me. But hey, we'll see what happens.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: XUL]
    #28623005 - 01/16/24 06:39 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

One wonders if the weather had been better if the stats would have been different?


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28623064 - 01/16/24 07:54 AM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

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In 2016 tes Cruz beat trump in the Iowa caucus. It was something like 27% Cruz, 24% trump. This time around trump has some 50% of the vote. That doesn't sound good to me. But hey, we'll see what happens.




I never understood Cruz’s popularity, but the second fiddle guy isn’t peeling off enough support this time around. I’m guessing GOP voters think the deep state liberal communists can’t steal the election from Trump if he wins the primary hard enough?

Either way there’s zero chance Trump loses the nomination. He could be thrown in prison right now and he’d still win.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28623630 - 01/16/24 03:17 PM (11 days, 21 hours ago)

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In 2016 tes Cruz beat trump in the Iowa caucus. It was something like 27% Cruz, 24% trump. This time around trump has some 50% of the vote. That doesn't sound good to me. But hey, we'll see what happens.




Turnout was 15%

That’s a disaster for the Republican Party


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28623815 - 01/16/24 06:10 PM (11 days, 18 hours ago)

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It’s not happening.
Drumpf isn’t even on the ballot in a couple states.




*yet

I think the SC is gonna take care of that. IMO, the best thing for the country is him to loose by way of votes. It will be interesting because the Dems have decided to roll the dice, if there was a time to showcase any new/ competent blood this would be the once in a lifetime chance, with a shoo-in for victory. It still could happen, as the October suprise could be some sort of geriatric nosedive.




I don't think so. I think Biden might be the best case candidate against trump. He's got the name recognition to avoid getting nicknamed. Any other candidate will become associated with some shitty nickname that Trump's team comes up with. Biden has the history and temperament to brush that off.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #28624045 - 01/16/24 09:26 PM (11 days, 14 hours ago)

Does the Iowa caucus need to be audited?



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28624301 - 01/17/24 08:23 AM (11 days, 3 hours ago)

Just found this gem and it almost gave me an erection.

“If Trump is elected, it is likely to be the kind of like the death blow to what remains of the global order.”- WEF adviser Yuval Noah Harari.

It will be the death blow to what remains of the global order.

Let that sink in.

This is why elections are "fortified" now, folks.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: koods]
    #28624312 - 01/17/24 08:29 AM (11 days, 3 hours ago)

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In 2016 tes Cruz beat trump in the Iowa caucus. It was something like 27% Cruz, 24% trump. This time around trump has some 50% of the vote. That doesn't sound good to me. But hey, we'll see what happens.




Turnout was 15%

That’s a disaster for the Republican Party




You could make an argument that voters aren’t as enthusiastic about Trump this time around, which isn’t really supported by polling, but I could see being true.

However, I’d say the turnout is probably low given the weather and the fact that everyone knew Trump was winning it by 30 points.


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